The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[TheDragonator]

So you're saying that every other superhero without trunks and a cape doesn't look like a superhero? And if not, then he still looks like a superhero.

 

[Kurosawa]

So you're saying that every other superhero without trunks and a cape doesn't look like a superhero? And if not, then he still looks like a superhero.

No, I'm saying the character that made that look synonymous with the idea of a superhero is now no longer allowed to wear the kind of costume he made famous and made represent the genre, because people have either convinced themselves or allowed themselves to be convinced that there is something wrong with it.

 

[moviedoors]

because people have either convinced themselves or allowed themselves to be convinced that there is something wrong with it.

Yeah, couldn't possibly be because they think it just might look good trunkless. No, surely not! It has to be some nefarious reason, some symptom of a sickness.

 

[TheDragonator]

....Oooooor because they have different artistic tastes.

 

[Karelia]

Most people I know find the trunks quite lame. I thought the same for a long time. I kinda got use to them. It doesn't bother me much in comics/animated films, but live action... It seems they took the right route with it. I think they could have found a way for it to still look good with the trunks, but most people have gotten over the fact he will be trunkless, anyways. This looks like it will be the ultimate Superman film. Hopefully it will be the best there is.

Plus, I love Snyder's visual direction in his films. I'm sure the suit will look outstanding on film.

 

[Kurosawa]

More people like Twilight than Let Me In but it doesn't mean that Twilight isn't garbage or that Let Me In is not brilliant.

Most people have ****** taste. It's why Justin Beiber is a household word and no one knows who Opeth is.

 

[KRIM]

Then surely all those points you've made regarding Supes waning "popularity" in the modern era are rendered moot.

 

[DKDetective]

Some of the same people who are defending the MOS costume would defend the Burton/Nic Cage version. A certain amount of people will defend movie versions no matter what they change, especially before the movie ever comes out.



I'm pretty sure capes are pretty out-of date by this time. The truth is, none of Superman's costume elements fit "modern" styles. They are timeless. That's why Superman did not look out of date in the 60's, or the 70's, or the 2000's. And he doesn't look dated now, and claims that he does are a fallacy. And by this point, when people see trunks on a costume, they no longer think circus strongman or even pro wrestler. They think superhero, because of Superman. Now the character who sat that trend doesn't even have trunks himself. He has armor, or whatever the MOS costume is with the silly patterns, or blue jeans. NOT EVEN SUPERMAN IS ALLOWED TO LOOK LIKE A SUPERHERO ANYMORE.

There is a big different between capes and trunks. Capes ARE timeless. They were worn for the VAST majority of human history. They are associated with romantic heroes and villains in countless genres of literature, film, and television. They can be stylistically changed to fit any situation. Trunks aren't so versatile. They were in vogue with circus strongmen for a few decades. Twenty years ago, I would have agreed with you that when people see they see a superhero. Sadly, nowadays, not so much. They are increasingly less popular within the genre. Unfortunately, also a lot of superhero films with poor costuming have changed popular perceptions of what they look like.

 

[Kurosawa]

Instead of following trends, Superman should set them. They should have had him in his classic costume, and they should have done it with pride. Changing it is admitting that there was something wrong with it. It's a sign of weakness.

 

[dabilee01]

Instead of following trends, Superman should set them. They should have had him in his classic costume, and they should have done it with pride. Changing it is admitting that there was something wrong with it. It's a sign of weakness.

Trunks or no trunks, I'm just excited period to see another Superman movie in the works (and one that looks like it's gonna be just stellar). In the end, I'm going to be a true Superman fan and simply take this as another interpretation of the character. So he doesn't have trunks; no big deal. As long as he stays true to his character, I'll have nothing to complain about, because character trumps costume any day of the week. This is why none of the aesthetic changes to the character have yet to bother me. Now, if Snyder goes in some polarizing direction that changes the very being of Superman, then I'll have a major problem. If not, well, I'll be too overwhelmed with the awesomeness that I just won't have time to think or say "oh, crap, they forgot the trunks."

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

 

[dabilee01]

oh, good, you realized that of course HC will be adopting an American accent for this role. Whew, I was worried for a sec.

 

[Kurosawa]

Trunks or no trunks, I'm just excited period to see another Superman movie in the works (and one that looks like it's gonna be just stellar). In the end, I'm going to be a true Superman fan and simply take this as another interpretation of the character. So he doesn't have trunks; no big deal. As long as he stays true to his character, I'll have nothing to complain about, because character trumps costume any day of the week. This is why none of the aesthetic changes to the character have yet to bother me. Now, if Snyder goes in some polarizing direction that changes the very being of Superman, then I'll have a major problem. If not, well, I'll be too overwhelmed with the awesomeness that I just won't have time to think or say "oh, crap, they forgot the trunks."

Well, I've been through Byrne Superman, Mullet Superman, Electric Superman, stalker Bryan Singer Superman and of course Batman's ***** Superman, so it's not like this can be much worse.

Costume still looks stupid as hell on a man, I'd rather Cavill be in the civies like the oil well scene the whole movie than be in a ****ed up costume with those silly tribals or whatever the hell they are, dating the hell out of it to an early 2000's design.

Timeless always beats trendy. Always.

 

[dabilee01]

Well, I've been through Byrne Superman, Mullet Superman, Electric Superman, stalker Bryan Singer Superman and of course Batman's ***** Superman, so it's not like this can be much worse.

Costume still looks stupid as hell on a man, I'd rather Cavill be in the civies like the oil well scene the whole movie than be in a ****ed up costume with those silly tribals or whatever the hell they are, dating the hell out of it to an early 2000's design.

Timeless always beats trendy. Always.

maybe so, but, hopefully, superman movie out in 2013 beats no superman movie out in 2013.

c'mon, man. things really could be much worse. we gotta take the wins whenever we get them!

 

[camp Blood]

kuro is right about the s**t taste thing

I mean come on, we got emo kids Michael bay about 4 or 5 different shows with annoying guidos ( coming from a guy who's part italian ) and the endless ammounts of bad music in the last 10 years ive found maybe 3 good bands

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

How did guidos get into this conversation? Hey lets stop talking about the trunks, how bout them boots? Weren't people in shock to see the cape dragged along the floor?

 

[The Morningstar]

Kuro says the tribal marking things will date the costume.

But the trunks, a design feature from the ****ING 1930s don't date the costume?

That is why they were changed, because it is dated. It is not timeless. Trunks on the outside of tights are an archaic design feature from the 30s and 40s. Nuff said.

 

[Kurosawa]

kuro is right about the s**t taste thing

I mean come on, we got emo kids Michael bay about 4 or 5 different shows with annoying guidos ( coming from a guy who's part italian ) and the endless ammounts of bad music in the last 10 years ive found maybe 3 good bands

There's good modern films and TV but you have to look for them. Modern music you REALLY have to look hard for as 99.9% of what is on the radio or is well-known is unlistenable garbage. There's certainly no modern day Brian Wilson or Paul McCartney's out there making pop music.

Kuro says the tribal marking things will date the costume.

But the trunks, a design feature from the ****ING 1930s don't date the costume?

That is why they were changed, because it is dated. It is not timeless. Trunks on the outside of tights are an archaic design feature from the 30s and 40s. Nuff said.

They were changed because people who think superheroes were stupid busted on them long enough. To be honest, I'm surprised the cape has stayed-it has been ridiculed almost as much as the trunks.

And the same kind of people that defend getting rid of the trunks would defend getting rid of the cape.

I always felt the markings on the MOS costume reminded me of something, now I think I know what it was:

I actually loved that Batmobile design. The patterns also sort of make me think a little of H. R. Giger's designs. I think that's why I liked the costume at first and still do kind of like it, just not for Superman, It's just too busy for a costume as simple as Superman's is supposed to be, plus it looks a little too flowery and also a little too angular and maybe even a little sinister. And I have made suggestions for possible costumes without trunks that might still feel like Superman, so it's not just that the trunks are gone.

I think it's a good try, and a whole costume with that aesthetic might be pretty cool. But it clashes with the traditional elements of the rest of the costume. Still, taking away the trunks is a red flag that the producers of this film felt there was something wrong with them. And to me, changing any element of Superman's classic costume undermines the whole thing.

 

[moviedoors]

And the same kind of people that defend getting rid of the trunks would defend getting rid of the cape.

Why don't you quit making unfounded blanket statements? Please?

 

[Herolee10]

You know; IF Superman's costume in MOS originates from Zod's armada or from something that he was given especially from his parents for whatever reasons; should it get destroyed or incredibly damaged during the franchise, I wonder if Clark may later apply some "humanistic" touches to his outfit for further updates.

 

[TheDragonator]

So let me get this straight:

2000-era costume = dating it.

1930's costume = Not dating it.

Once again, you make excuses to cover up your own statements.

 

[TheDragonator]

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[The Morningstar]

Why don't you quit making unfounded blanket statements? Please?

I think the guy is so obsessively fanatical he doesn't even realise he is doing it.

For clarification... no, I'd never support getting rid of the cape. The cape is timeless, it is a true superhero trope. It is iconic.

Trunks on the outside of tights however, are dated, lame and are not as iconic as some of you think.

It's good to have people passionate about comics, but seriously Kurosawa, you take it to a whole new level. You make Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons seem like a level headed and open minded guy.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Why don't you quit making unfounded blanket statements? Please?

It's not an unfounded statement... Many people who do call out the trunks would also call out the cape if it became popular to do so. Superhero costumes are designed a certain way... DEAL WITH IT! Kuro is something of a purist. He feels that unnecessary deviations from the source material are just that... unnecessary.

I feel the same way. Some supposedly open-minded superhero/comic book fans aren't open-minded enough to accept what came for 70+ years. I agree with Kuro and a lot of comic book artists/writers who see these superhero movies.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO DEVIATE A BIT FROM THE SOURCE MATERIAL TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL FILM. That's why 90% of comic book films always turn out mediocre.

So let me get this straight:

2000-era costume = dating it.

1930's costume = Not dating it.

Once again, you make excuses to cover up your own statements.

Again, why can't you accept that superhero costumes have certain elements such as trunks and a cape. It doesn't have to date anything. It's just the way they are designed. The people in the movies accept that the main character dresses that way. The general audience accepts that the main character dresses that way. Why can't you?

What's the problem?

 

[TheDragonator]

Not a lot of superheroes these days outside of Superman and Batman have capes. Spider-Man has no cape or trunks, he's insanely popular.