The Official Costume Thread - Part 3

[Lencho01]

+1

And to add to that, if you Google "superhero," most of the pics that aren't of Superman (and that dumb "parody" a few years back), are of costumes that look a lot like Superman's.

 

[Superman_20]

i think either of those would look great, the older francis manapul "S" though replaced but with the mix of colors and backgrounds it doesn't make a difference what the trunks look like or not, it'll look like superman... this is the guy that made the characters in 300 look great and watchmen... making one single guy look cool in costume would probably be a lot easier... especially since tons of others have been able to pull off a decent superman costume with much less money than snyder and with less of a visionary mind... like

 

[roach]

Opinions are opinions but I can tell you as fact that I dont think I've ever met a single person who's said 'I'm not going to watch that Superman movie because the guy wears his underpants on the outside'.

Brian Braddock for the win...there should be no more discussion after this post

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't think the underpants would put people off of watching a Superman movie. I do think people will think they are silly though, because they are.

My point is, the underpants do not contribute to Superman being iconic. Therefore, they are expendable. I personally, am not bothered either way. But i just think it's ridiculous that some people are like "no! you take away the underpants then you are disrespecting Superman and all other superheroes! The underpants make him iconic and relatable!" GTFO.

The Superman shield is iconic. The fact he wears blue and red is iconic. Underpants worn over his tights? Not really iconic. Just silly.

You can break up the blue in a number of ways without including the red y-fronts.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Brian Braddock for the win...there should be no more discussion after this post

Aw shucks, I'm all embarrassed now.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't think the underpants would put people off of watching a Superman movie. I do think people will think they are silly though, because they are.

Explain how they are silly, they are not red underwear, they are a red area of the tights.

My point is, the underpants do not contribute to Superman being iconic. Therefore, they are expendable.

Yes they do. No they aren't.

The Superman shield is iconic. The fact he wears blue and red is iconic. Underpants worn over his tights? Not really iconic. Just silly.

Nope, the suit is iconic, the powers are iconic fighting for truth justice and the american way is iconic.

You can break up the blue in a number of ways without including the red y-fronts.

No evidence provided.

 

[Brian Braddock]

My point is, the underpants do not contribute to Superman being iconic. Therefore, they are expendable.

The Superman shield is iconic. The fact he wears blue and red is iconic. Underpants worn over his tights? Not really iconic. Just silly.

By that logic, you could equally say that the fact that he wears an emblem on his chest consisting of just his initial is silly (isnt it mostly toddlers that get dressed that way?), that he wears a cape is silly (who wears a cape nowadays?), that his hair does that little 's' curl is silly (never heard of styling gel?)..............

You see where I'm going with this?

The truth is that whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the costume is a sum total of all its parts; the trunks are therefore just as iconic as the rest of the parts of the suit for this reason - meaning that the overall look is then what people recognise as the 'iconic' Superman look.

 

[The Morningstar]

Explain how they are silly, they are not red underwear, they are a red area of the tights.

Those pictures up there, specifically of the live action ones, show the red underpants as seperate to the tights.

They are like red speedo's worn over blue tights.

Yes they do. No they aren't.

No they don't. Yes they are.

See how easy that is?

They maybe be iconic to nostalgic fanboys. Unfortunately, people who don't read comics are not nostalgic fanboys.

Nope, the suit is iconic, the powers are iconic fighting for truth justice and the american way is iconic.

The suit is iconic in that it is red and blue, has a cape and a big Superman shield on the chest.

No evidence provided.

Why should i? Use your imagination.

 

[DorkyFresh]

My point is, the underpants do not contribute to Superman being iconic.

yes they do. as i stated before, you can take away the shield from his chest while keeping his trunks and people would still recognize the suit as a Superman suit. on top of that, all of the superheroes that followed immediately after Superman wore trunks also. his trunks are just as important to the iconic look of Superman as his boots are.

But i just think it's ridiculous that some people are like "no! you take away the underpants then you are disrespecting Superman and all other superheroes! The underpants make him iconic and relatable!" GTFO.

i don't think anyone has ever said that the trunks, or any other part of his suit for that matter, make him relatable...but the trunks ARE iconic.

The Superman shield is iconic. The fact he wears blue and red is iconic. Underpants worn over his tights? Not really iconic. Just silly.

Superman's suit is an iconic look. if you get rid of even one element, whether it be the cape, the shield, the trunks, or the boots, it leaves Superman with an incomplete look...and the image becomes decidedly LESS iconic.

 

[--Zero-Ethic--]

Arguement 1.Removing the trunks will ruin Superman
My opinion
Bollocks.Removing the Trunks have no effect.

Arguement 2.Adding the Trunks will ruin Superman
My Opinion
Bollocks.Adding the Trunks has no effect

There is no "adding" of the trunks. The trunks are the default.

When deciding on a Superman costume, you begin with the basic essentials that have always been there.
The trunks are among these, so there is no effort in keeping them.
There is only effort in removing them.
So if you are of the opinion that they have no effect, and that their presence isn't important to you, then surely the answer is "make no change" therefore keeping the trunks.

 

[The Morningstar]

By that logic, you could equally say that the fact that he wears an emblem on his chest consisting of just his initial is silly (isnt it mostly toddlers that get dressed that way?), that he wears a cape is silly (who wears a cape nowadays?), that his hair does that little 's' curl is silly (never heard of styling gel?)..............

You see where I'm going with this?

Yes they are all silly. But not as silly as a guy wearing what amounts to, a pair of red speedos on the outside of his blue tights.

The truth is that whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the costume is a sum total of all its parts; the trunks are therefore just as iconic as the rest of the parts of the suit for this reason - meaning that the overall look is then what people recognise as the 'iconic' Superman look.

I disagree. You take away the Superman shield? That's taking away a piece of iconography. You take away the red cape? Taking away a piece of iconography. Take away the red speedos? Who gives a ****? Apart from nostalgic fans who can't let go of the past?

Like i said, i'm not bothered if they keep them or get rid of them. I just find it laughable that some people think the trunks make Superman relatable (REALLY?!?!) or iconic. They don't. They were drawn on there when Supes was designed to break up the blue of his body. Nothing more. And there is other ways to break up all the blue, without resorting to using red speedos.

I mean, no one is saying they should change Supes costume to green and yellow or something. No one is saying they should take away Supermans shield. No one is saying take away Supermans cape. We're talking about a pair of ****ing speedos here.

 

[Superman_20]

there are ways to make the blue or red look different colors in a movie during movement in a movie... again, this isnt a guy filming in his mom's garage with a flipshare video cam... its a guy that has created images like this

 

[Brian Braddock]

Like i said, i'm not bothered if they keep them or get rid of them.

Fuuny, there must be a hell of a lot of smoke coming off your keyboard for someone who's 'not bothered'. With what you've just said in mind, I eagerly await your response to what --Zero-Ethic-- has just posted.

 

[roach]

who said the trunks make him relatable????
the trunks are part of superman's look...if it wasnt important it would have been gotten rid of a long time ago....yet every actor who has ever taken on the role of Superman had the trunks

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Those pictures up there, specifically of the live action ones, show the red underpants as seperate to the tights.

They are like red speedo's worn over blue tights.

Wha... You mean, it's definitely impossible for the movies to have done something wrong? Which would then mean, by your own definition, the movies are flawless, and therefore, the costume is flawless, and therefore, must stay.

No they don't. Yes they are.

*Achooooooo!!!!*

See how easy that is?

They maybe be iconic to nostalgic fanboys. Unfortunately, people who don't read comics are not nostalgic fanboys.

Unfortunately for you, the writer and director and heads of DC Entertainment are.



And guess who owns Superman (atm)? That's right WB, guess who wants people to read more Superman comics? That's right WB, who just released, a widely successful Graphic Novel depicting Superman in a modern context with the underoos?


THAT'S RIGHT THE FREAKING WB. They want to make profit in more than one media and Superman will not get that drastic change, because of one person on an internet board that noone involved heavily in production will see.

The suit is iconic in that it is red and blue, has a cape and a big Superman shield on the chest.

WRONG!

Why should i? Use your imagination.

I don't have to. Firstly, I know you're wrong. Secondly, if you cannot back up you're argument, you lose.

 

[Doctor Jones]

God, I do hope they get this costume right. If not, this place will be a living hell.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Yes they are all silly. But not as silly as a guy wearing what amounts to, a pair of red speedos on the outside of his blue tights.

i don't see how wearing a cape with a bodysuit is any sillier than wearing undies on the outside of tights. many muscle men used to wear undies on the outside around the era Superman was conceived and up till now many dancers and wrestlers still wear speedos on the outside of tights. however, i haven't seen a cape being worn by anyone since the early 1900's.

I disagree. You take away the Superman shield? That's taking away a piece of iconography. You take away the red cape? Taking away a piece of iconography. Take away the red speedos? Who gives a ****? Apart from nostalgic fanboys who can't let go of the past?

right...if you're so high and mighty then how about you argue to get rid of the cape and big letter on his chest? capes and letters on the chest are clearly relics of the past. very few to none of the heroes created within the last 2 decades have capes, let alone letters on their chest. if you're gonna argue that nostalgic fanboys can't let go of the past and if you're gonna insinuate that you don't fall into this category, then clearly you should be able to argue that the "S" shield and the cape has to go...right?

Like i said, i'm not bothered if they keep them or get rid of them. I just find it laughable that some people think the trunks make Superman relatable (REALLY?!?!)

again, i don't think anyone here has stated that the trunks or his outfit make him relatable but if they did, then you'd be right in thinking it's ridiculous.

or iconic. They don't.

we've already explained to you why they are iconic...but i guess you have selective hearing/reading.

They were drawn on there when Supes was designed to break up the blue of his body. Nothing more.

i suppose getting rid of his cape is okay too then, since his cape was drawn on there to add flare to his suit....nothing more.

 

[Sawyer]

God, I do hope they get this costume right. If not, this place will be a living hell.

It's.... not already?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

i suppose getting rid of his cape is okay too then, since his cape was drawn on there to add flare to his suit....nothing more.

The tights were only there because artists were used to drawing nudes, and the costume is a nude man with lines to denote clothing. The tights can go to.

 

[roach]

It's.... not already?

if the suit isnt perfect this place will be worst than the Amazing Spider-man costume thread

 

[Brian Braddock]

who said the trunks make him relatable????
the trunks are part of superman's look...if it wasnt important it would have been gotten rid of a long time ago....yet every actor who has ever taken on the role of Superman had the trunks

Superman - an alien living on earth, the last of his kind, a demi-god who has powers far beyond those of mortal men.

Now ordinarilly, you'd think the average guy wouldnt be able to relate to a person like that but because of those spiffy red trunks, I really feel a connection to him.

 

[DorkyFresh]

"perfect" is in the eye of the beholder. as long as the main elements are there and there aren't any crazy additions or alterations, the suit should look fine.

 

[roach]

Superman - an alien living on earth, the last of his kind, a demi-god who has powers far beyond those of mortal men.

Now ordinarilly, you'd think the average guy wouldnt be able to relate to a person like that but because of those spiffy red trunks, I really feel a connection to him.

for me its the yellow symbol on the cape. I always wear the same symbol on the front and back and thats how I relate to Superman

 

[The Morningstar]

There is no "adding" of the trunks. The trunks are the default.

When deciding on a Superman costume, you begin with the basic essentials that have always been there.
The trunks are among these, so there is no effort in keeping them.
There is only effort in removing them.
So if you are of the opinion that they have no effect, and that their presence isn't important to you, then surely the answer is "make no change" therefore keeping the trunks.

Hmm i'd think it'd take quite a bit of effort to make a pair of red speedos look good.

And i don't think the trunks are essential to the Superman costume.

Wha... You mean, it's definitely impossible for the movies to have done something wrong? Which would then mean, by your own definition, the movies are flawless, and therefore, the costume is flawless, and therefore, must stay.

Huh? The Dean Cain costume looks like a costume from a fancy dress store, frankly.

The movies are not flawless. I'm not saying the costume is bad. I'm saying the red speedos are somewhat silly. Sillier than everything else on the costume, and are not essential to the look of Superman.

*Achooooooo!!!!*



Unfortunately for you, the writer and director and heads of DC Entertainment are.

Yea it's unfortunate for me. And anyone else who isn't a fan of Hal Jordan...

And guess who owns Superman (atm)? That's right WB, guess who wants people to read more Superman comics? That's right WB, who just released, a widely successful Graphic Novel depicting Superman in a modern context with the underoos?

They want more people to read Superman comics?!!? Could have fooled me, with the way they are treating him at the moment. Superman is now completely irrelevent to the DCU. Thanks to Geoff Johns and Dan Didio being raging Hal Jordan fanboys.

THAT'S RIGHT THE FREAKING WB. They want to make profit in more than one media and Superman will not get that drastic change, because of one person on an internet board that noone involved heavily in production will see.

Drastic change my ass.

And i'm not sharing my opinion to influence the movie. I'm not a ******. I'm just sharing my opinion.

I don't have to. Firstly, I know you're wrong. Secondly, if you cannot back up you're argument, you lose.

Well i would back it up, if i had good drawing skills and a scanner.

God, I do hope they get this costume right. If not, this place will be a living hell.

Yea, maybe some people will be ******** over the shades of red and blue being slightly different...

 

[roach]

"perfect" is in the eye of the beholder. as long as the main elements are there and there aren't any crazy additions or alterations, the suit should look fine.

Raimi's Spiderman suit is perfect to me...i know people complained about the raised webbing but I was not one of them.