The Official Costume Thread - Part 4

[Zack Snyder]

Why have an \S/ on the belt if there is a huge one on the chest already? Bah SR.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I like the idea that the symbol starts out looking more alien, a diamond with a vague S, maybe an 8 inside a diamond or something resembling the Kingdom Come logo, and then when Martha sees the symbol, she interprets it as an S and comes up with a slightly more down to Earth design.

 

[Zack Snyder]

I don't mind a raised \S/ but I don't want it to be as three dimensional as the SR one.

 

[Eddie Nashton]

I think I saw this before, but where did you find this? It looks very retro, butclassic because it doesn't stem away from the look but stays as its own.

BTW...

I honestly can't remember where I found it. I just know that I found it around late 07 to early spring 08 during a random google search

 

[camp Blood]

Having a \S/ on the belt is redundant and pointless

 

[Godzilla2014]

I like the idea that the symbol starts out looking more alien, a diamond with a vague S, maybe an 8 inside a diamond or something resembling the Kingdom Come logo, and then when Martha sees the symbol, she interprets it as an S and comes up with a slightly more down to Earth design.

That sounds good. I think it adds to the subtext of Jonathan & Martha Kent raising the infant Kal-el into Superman.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I honestly can't remember where I found it. I just know that I found it around late 07 to early spring 08 during a random google search

The DC Merchandising \S/ (or for that matter, the SR and STM ones) exudes strength and power. That S looks frail, weak, insipid. It would be more appropriate for an animated Mighty Mouse kind of character. It just screams animation to me, not live action.

 

[Nathman]

The DC Merchandising \S/ (or for that matter, the SR and STM ones) exudes strength and power. That S looks frail, weak, insipid. It would be more appropriate for an animated Mighty Mouse kind of character. It just screams animation to me, not live action.

Very well put.

 

[camp Blood]

The only S that exudes power is a larger one IMO and the returns one was kinda small

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

The only S that exudes power is a larger one IMO and the returns one was kinda small

I wasn't talking about the size, but the style of font. You could blow that Mighty Mouse one up to the size of a house, and it would still be weak!

 

[camp Blood]

Well I do agree on a thicker S

 

[Chiroptera]

Okay I gave the suit a bigger shield and made it look a little more like the Christopher Reeve shield.

 

[Krumm]

hmm... the shield looks a little "tall" now -- I personally thought it was fine before. I definitely don't want a suit to be more Reeve-like. That was then, this is now.

Another thing that rubs me the wrong way is the proximity of the neckline and the top of the shield. This is probably because the curves of each are going in opposite directions.

That being said, it is a really well done manip.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Okay I gave the suit a bigger shield and made it look a little more like the Christopher Reeve shield.

I like it!

hmm... the shield looks a little "tall" now -- I personally thought it was fine before. I definitely don't want a suit to be more Reeve-like. That was then, this is now.

Another thing that rubs me the wrong way is the proximity of the neckline and the top of the shield. This is probably because the curves of each are going in opposite directions.

That being said, it is a really well done manip.

I can agree with not making it too Reeve-like. Get a new incarnation of the comic book suit. I was thinking it might be interesting if the alien idea was taken further. Imagine if the suit has all the iconic elements of Superman's classic costume, but their original purpose is different from what we interpret them to be. What we see as an 'S' is actually the El family crest. What we see as trunks may be something else entirely. You get the idea.

Maybe start with something that looks something like either Chiroptera's manip or Strib's design below, with muscle shading & gold instead of yellow:

With a belt like this:

And possibly "trunks" like these and maybe some other details:

Ok, maybe not exactly those things, but come on, does every live-action interpretation of the classic costume need to look exactly the same as Christopher Reeve's costume?
Thoughts?

 

[Alien Anal]

I want the approach for the new suit to be based on the comic books and starting fresh from there. I think they need to delete any previous costume from their mind.

I want a homemade earth suit so I want to see laces and zips on the boots and a manly looking belt with a proper buckle.

Like pretty much all real boots they would have a decent bottom to them giving superman a little extra height.

I remember seeing an artists version of Superman fitting that description.. anyone remember?

 

[egarza]

i modified z-brush artist's rodrigue pralier's kingdom come supes to this guy...
granted, it's very traditional, but i think its effective

 

[camp Blood]

Maybe something like the military wears modern G.I. Boots just you know red

 

[Alien Anal]

Something like this

And this

 

[BrlntDsgse]

In my own personal opinion I just don't like that emblem. It's just a standard S

I agree on this and some of the other posters who say it's not as "powerful" as the classic S, it's a nice rendition of a Fleischeresque golden-age symbol but that's about it. What I can't agree w/ is....

, and I think it should be more than that, it should mean something about his homeworld, either a symbol of hope or his family crest, not just an S that happens to mean Superman.

Why shouldn't the S mean exactly what it meant for the first 4 decades of the character's history until Richard Donner decided "Ooohhh....what if Jor-El wears the S symbol too? Wouldn't that be SOOOO deep and meaningful?!?"
Sorry Dick, but no, it wouldn't....it's just superficial and silly. The S just meaning Superman and NOT being a kryptonian symbol or family crest was the standard in ALL depictions up until STM and was STILL the standard in the comic books themselves up until Birthright a few years back.

 

[Lone]

I agree on this and some of the other posters who say it's not as "powerful" as the classic S, it's a nice rendition of a Fleischeresque golden-age symbol but that's about it. What I can't agree w/ is....




Why shouldn't the S mean exactly what it meant for the first 4 decades of the character's history until Richard Donner decided "Ooohhh....what if Jor-El wears the S symbol too? Wouldn't that be SOOOO deep and meaningful?!?"
Sorry Dick, but no, it wouldn't....it's just superficial and silly. The S just meaning Superman and NOT being a kryptonian symbol or family crest was the standard in ALL depictions up until STM and was STILL the standard in the comic books themselves up until Birthright a few years back.

The only way the \S/ just meaning Superman would work and not make Clark look like an egotistical dick would be if he puts on the emblem AFTER Lois names him Superman in the papers. I don't know how I'd feel about Clark's first appearance in costume without the \S/ though.

 

[Godzilla2014]

The only way the \S/ just meaning Superman would work and not make Clark look like an egotistical dick would be if he puts on the emblem AFTER Lois names him Superman in the papers. I don't know how I'd feel about Clark's first appearance in costume without the \S/ though.

I agree.

 

[Slugster]

no to the laces I like the red boots tho

 

[Eddie Nashton]

I agree on this and some of the other posters who say it's not as "powerful" as the classic S, it's a nice rendition of a Fleischeresque golden-age symbol but that's about it. What I can't agree w/ is....




Why shouldn't the S mean exactly what it meant for the first 4 decades of the character's history until Richard Donner decided "Ooohhh....what if Jor-El wears the S symbol too? Wouldn't that be SOOOO deep and meaningful?!?"
Sorry Dick, but no, it wouldn't....it's just superficial and silly. The S just meaning Superman and NOT being a kryptonian symbol or family crest was the standard in ALL depictions up until STM and was STILL the standard in the comic books themselves up until Birthright a few years back.

 

[BrlntDsgse]

The only way the \S/ just meaning Superman would work and not make Clark look like an egotistical dick would be if he puts on the emblem AFTER Lois names him Superman in the papers. I don't know how I'd feel about Clark's first appearance in costume without the \S/ though.

Well he shouldn't be in a costume without the s on it , I'll agree w/that.....but I see no problem with something along the lines of John Byrne's Man Of Steel series where his first public appearance is without any costume at all, just civvies. After which of course Lois would refer to him as a "mysterious Superman" in the papers and he would adopt the name that people have begun referring to him as. The alternative is that he wears a Kryptonian symbol that happens to resemble an S and then Lois , rather than doing her job as an investigative reporter by finding out what it stands for, instead just arbitrarily decides that it stands for Superman. And if the S is really a Kryptonian symbol or El family crest then why would Superman want it to be misinterpreted as an S if that's not what it really is? Wouldn't he, being proud of his family symbol, announce to the public in an interview, "Actually this isn't an S, it's kryptonian lettering, please just call me Kal-El." or something along those lines?
This is why the whole S as a kryptonian symbol idea doesn't hold up to ANY scrutiny. I'm sure that Donner and co. came up w/it as a kind of "realistic" rationale for why he'd wear any kind of symbol, but it only SEEMS more realistic on a very superficial level, and is really just ridiculously coincidental when you think about it.

 

[DorkyFresh]

personally, i prefer the shield to have more meaning behind it than it just representing "Superman". i know that's what it was originally meant to be, but then again Superman was also originally meant to be a villain who couldn't fly or lift heavy object but instead had telepathic powers.

Batman, Spider-Man, even Captain America's chest emblems have more meaning behind them than just being the first letter of their hero names and there are several variations of the meaning being the shield (serpent captured within a impenetrable diamond which signifies a protector, resembling the infinity symbol, etc). i just would like for his shield to be more than just a design...and the way Birthright handled it certainly lends itself well to the idea of building the mythology of Krypton.