The Official Costume Thread - Part 4

[camp Blood]

Let's use the new suit as a example for what not to do

Funny thing is when I posted that I was watching spiderman 2

 

[GreenKToo]

lol, it happens. I do that more times than not.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Raimi's costume was far from perfect

People can nit pick all they want, Raimi's costume was top notch. The First picture released of Spider-Man crouched on a roof top was brilliant. It totally got me excited to see the movie. Conversely the first SR picture in USA Today was an unmitigated disaster. I'm betting on Snyder doing much better than Singer's costume, and on his being at least as good as Raimi's.

 

[Majik1387]

I have faith in Snyder for Superman's costume.
And reboot Spidey costume > Superman Returns costume > Raimi Spidey costume.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

This is how you do it! Release a picture of the Superman costume that looks as good (well thought out and professional) as this, and is as well staged. Then, even average people on seeing it will get really excited for this movie.

 

[Project862006]

I have faith in Snyder for Superman's costume.
And reboot Spidey costume > Superman Returns costume > Raimi Spidey costume.

this superman costume

is better than this spiderman costume

really?

 

[camp Blood]

And the reboot suit is better than both!?

 

[Majik1387]

Yes.

 

[Lencho01]

How is the new Spidey suit better than old one or even the SR suit?

 

[Majik1387]

That's for another thread.

 

[roach]

Majik share some of those drugs man

 

[Project862006]

i can think of about 6 things wrong with returns suit

- Muted Colors
- Leather Cape
- Boots were terrible
- Shield was too tiny
- Tights were too low
- Unnecessary shield logo on belt

yet rami spiderman suit i felt was perfect ah well thats your opinion i guess

lets move back to superman suit then

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

That's for another thread.

I'm not going to bash the new Spidey costume, because the one carefully staged shot that Sony finally released looks very good imo. Unauthorized pics from the location shoots, are not necessarily indicative of how it will look up on the screen.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

this superman costume

is better than this spiderman costume

really?

Notice he had to pick probably the most flattering shot of the SR costume from the entire movie. If they had used that picture for the original "Official" reveal the backlash wouldn't have been quite so bad. Unfortunately in most of the film it did not look that good.

 

[camp Blood]

For reals but the reboot spidey suit is beyond ugly

 

[Lencho01]

Majik share some of those drugs man

For reals but the reboot spidey suit is beyond ugly

 

[camp Blood]

i guess some people like spiderman with a grid pattern instead of a web pattern and a costume made out of a basket/golf ball

this is a little heavy on the blue but its ok i would make the boots red and the belt yellow

 

[Kurosawa]

The Superboy origin bothers me because it makes Superman out to be like some former child star who's trying to get out of the shadow of his past career. When everyone's already seen Superboy and all that he's done, then what's so exciting about SuperMAN? It's just a name change then, not some Earth shattering debut.

Well, Jerry Siegel wanted Superboy to be part of the character's history as early as November of 1938, and I'm inclined to defer to the character's creator in all circumstances, but that is just me. The time constraint issues is the biggest problem that I see, and that is an issue. You would actually need a full fledged Superboy movie first.

If they wanna work around this they can have Clark learning about Krypton from a young age and his family crest is more like the ancient version with the \8/. Martha can then ask Clark what the English translation is, thinking it too alien, Clark says his family's name became an equivalent to the letter S and a alien looking S is adopted in to the symbol and Jon and Clark decide the name Superman based of Nietszsche's concept.

Or they can just go with Pa Kent telling him that he is a Superman and they design the symbol from there...either way works fine really. But Superman should have no use for Nietszsche's Superman concept.

First let me say I agree w/not being a fan of the S as a Kryptonian symbol. It's such a superficial attempt to ascribe some "deep" meaning to the symbol, but only comes off as either too coincidental or contrived when you think about it. Although when it comes to him having the name because of a career as Superboy, I don't see that ever working on the big screen, not because of anything inherently wrong w/the idea of Superboy, but just because the meager amount of time you'd be able to spend on Superboy in a SuperMAN film doesn't justify it. The concept works much better in the comics where you can delve into it every month. In a two-hour movie it would seem just thrown in "just cause". Much better to just focus on him becoming Superman as an adult, which by all indications they are going for in this new film. Given that, I'm personally a fan of Lois naming him that in the papers. Now I'd imagine that you(Pre-Crisis purist that you are) probably won't agree w/this but, while I hope for the characterization of Superman himself to lean more towards Pre-C , I still think that Byrne's version of his first public appearance was great, where he saves the space shuttle in just regular civilian clothes, leading to Lois naming him a "Mysterious Superman" not because of seeing an S on his chest, but because that's what he IS... a superman. If they MUST have some Kryptonian connection to the symbol, I'd prefer the Kryptonian symbol to be this....

.......and then have Clark reinterpret it into the S symbol in order to "make it his own" AND to go with the name Superman that the press and public have taken to calling him. My own idea on how he'd do that is that this....

......would be either the logo for Smallville High's lettermen's jacket's or it would be the lettering used on the "Welcome to Smallville" sign on the edge of town, hence Clark combines both of his heritages into his own, new insignia....the S we all know and love. But alas, since it has become the new standard since STM, the reboot will probably just default back to the S itself as the El family crest idea.

I do see your point about not using the Superboy part of his career due to time constraints, but I think there is any number of ways to bring the \S/ in that avoids it as a family crest. I think it being a similar symbol and he and Pa saying "It sort of resembles an "S" is an okay idea, though. My main issues are that the family crest came from the Donner movies, something they need to move away from, and as much as I like Lois, her naming him came from the Donner movies too plus it makes no sense that he would set out on this huge mission which by design would make him a known public figure without a name. This isn't the Blur silliness from Smallville.

But Pa Kent naming him and the \S/ standing for Superman? Seems like the most simple explanation for me, not to mention it was the original explanation:

Spoiler

 

[camp Blood]

i like that, what about the colors why would he settle on red blue and yellow, is its simply because there the primary's

i ask because i am genuinely interested

 

[Alien Anal]

Some people want him to be more interesting, so the first thing they do is suggest festooning the costume with pointless,stupid crap, like lace up hiking boots,seams,and massive over the top capes.

Thats one way to make a point.
I dont think the boots i originally suggested would be considered hiking boots. The shoes in SR were horrible but you barely notice them in the movie. I also think the laces being red blend into the boots so they are not distracting.

Faithfully translated from the comics to the big screen, Superman's costume is interesting enough already.

Really?
I understand less is more but i really think the comic book costume is just a basic template how of the suit looks. There is nothing to the comic book suit other than some colors and shapes.

I understand people are trying to be creative, but some of the latest suggestions (especially the boots) are borderline ludicrous.

What is your idea of faithfully translated comic boots?

 

[Kurosawa]

i like that, what about the colors why would he settle on red blue and yellow, is its simply because there the primary's

i ask because i am genuinely interested

The costume is most famously explained as being made from the baby blankets that Lara wrapped him in by Ma Kent. So why red, blue and yellow? Because that's what they had that he wouldn't destroy:

Spoiler

 

[camp Blood]

Thanks, I knew that stuff but I thought there could have been some other reason tucked away in some dark corner of the superman mythos

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

The costume is most famously explained as being made from the baby blankets that Lara wrapped him in by Ma Kent. So why red, blue and yellow? Because that's what they had that he wouldn't destroy:

Spoiler

You and me are totally on the same page buddy! A lot of the original explanations are still the best ones. When Clark was doing stuff like sliding off the roof of the house (which was of course destroying his earth clothing) the Kent's realized he needed something more durable. IIRC, the early costume made from unweaving the (indestructible) blankets from the ship, was later unwoven again to make his adult costume. I could be remembering that wrong though.


Just looked at your attachment lol....That's the comic I read!

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Thats one way to make a point.
I dont think the boots i originally suggested would be considered hiking boots. The shoes in SR were horrible but you barely notice them in the movie. I also think the laces being red blend into the boots so they are not distracting.


Really?
I understand less is more but i really think the comic book costume is just a basic template how of the suit looks. There is nothing to the comic book suit other than some colors and shapes.



What is your idea of faithfully translated comic boots?

Faithfully translated boots, would be to make them an integral part of the leg. Not seperate. Just like Curt swan drew them. They have no heel, and for want of a better word are socks. Also the trunks are not seperate. Everything from the waist down imo (excluding the belt, which is the restraining belt from the ship) is one piece seperated by colour. Look at Raimi's Spider-Man boot/socks because they are similar in that they don't have heels either.

 

[Kurosawa]

Thanks, I knew that stuff but I thought there could have been some other reason tucked away in some dark corner of the superman mythos

Well, the first explanation given was actually in the Sunday Newspaper strips in 1940:

Spoiler

You and me are totally on the same page buddy! A lot of the original explanations are still the best ones. When Clark was doing stuff like sliding off the roof of the house (which was of course destroying his earth clothing) the Kent's realized he needed something more durable. IIRC, the early costume made from unweaving the (indestructible) blankets from the ship, was later unwoven again to make his adult costume. I could be remembering that wrong though.


Just looked at your attachment lol....That's the comic I read!

Yeah, the same blankets that were used as his playsuit later became the Superboy costume, and finally the Superman costume...it stretches with his body and of course his cape is indestructible and can be stretched and actually he sometimes uses it to hold items, or as a super-slingshot, etc.