The Official Costume Thread

[echostation]

whatever it is the costume NEEDS to be made of Krystals... or crystals whichever way you kryptonians or Earth people spell it. The main thing since this is a true story in some way aruther (as shown in All Star Superman - parallel dimensions), he relies heavily on crystal technology (or even Krystol, it really is all in the phoenietics). Having his costume made out of krystols/crystal fragments gives it a muscular, mechanized, shiny, Angelic, SHARP, CRISP radiant look which will emanate power. The colors of the krystal red underwear/trunks and even the S will change either slightly in shape or color depending upon the fighting mode he's in or his mood. It would look great, Imagine Blue and red krystole/crystals morphing around each other and becoming sharper in one area, smooth and shiny, it lends a very geometric/mathematical yet cool looking design. His cape itself is also made up of constantly metamorphisizing and altering red crystal fragments that coalesce together in a crimson liquid metal like hue but can also sharpen and become diamond/rock solid and pointy when he wants... it can elongate or shorten depending on what Superman wants to do.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

whatever it is the costume NEEDS to be made of Krystals... or crystals whichever way you kryptonians or Earth people spell it. The main thing since this is a true story in some way aruther (as shown in All Star Superman - parallel dimensions), he relies heavily on crystal technology (or even Krystol, it really is all in the phoenietics). Having his costume made out of krystols/crystal fragments gives it a muscular, mechanized, shiny, Angelic, SHARP, CRISP radiant look which will emanate power. The colors of the krystal red underwear/trunks and even the S will change either slightly in shape or color depending upon the fighting mode he's in or his mood. It would look great, Imagine Blue and red krystole/crystals morphing around each other and becoming sharper in one area, smooth and shiny, it lends a very geometric/mathematical yet cool looking design. His cape itself is also made up of constantly metamorphisizing and altering red crystal fragments that coalesce together in a crimson liquid metal like hue but can also sharpen and become diamond/rock solid and pointy when he wants... it can elongate or shorten depending on what Superman wants to do.

Congatulations I think you have just invented a new Superhero. Is he powered by the Sun or by drinking copious amounts of Cristal Champagne?

 

[Speedball]

my concept of how the suit should look...

I really like this one. It still looks like the classic one, but adds enough to not be too overbearing and different.

 

[neodrone]

People say these designs "are not Superman" but I guarantee I'd get sued by DC for infringement on how alike.... Some people. Any more than subtle change is too much.
That's the bottom line, you are the Republicans of the nerd world, extremists and obstacle to the future and progress.

 

[Bren]

I can forgive a lot...... but you're asking a bit much

 

[JAK®]

People say these designs "are not Superman" but I guarantee I'd get sued by DC for infringement on how alike.... Some people. Any more than subtle change is too much.
That's the bottom line, you are the Republicans of the nerd world, extremists and obstacle to the future and progress.

The problem with your design is that it comes across as an extrapolation of Superman's original costume rather than one that stands alone in it's own right. He looks like royalty and I do not see Superman wearing something like that, as it makes it seem like he feels that he is better than everyone else. You try to solve the trunks problem by making everything else more complicated but that creates more problems than it solves.

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Still no.

 

[JamalYIgle]

People say these designs "are not Superman" but I guarantee I'd get sued by DC for infringement on how alike.... Some people. Any more than subtle change is too much.
That's the bottom line, you are the Republicans of the nerd world, extremists and obstacle to the future and progress.

It's not Superman. it's overly complicated and a bit garish and hard to look at, in my opinion.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Superman has very basic design. It's great in it's simplicity. The solution isn't to over complicated it. You lose it's efficiency when you do that. The textures can be more complex specifically in HD live action film, that actually adds to the beleviabilty of the reality, but adding "frills" to the costume for the sake of just adding "frills" doesn't help.

My view has changed somewhat after seeing the new Spidey suit. I think it's fine but it does bring the basic question of why change something that doesn't have a problem to begin with. The intial spider-man design is somewhat arbitary when you think about specific placement of red and blue on his torso and arms. But you know what? It works. It's identifiable. And it looks good. Arbitrarily changing those elements as illustrated in the new suit...may result in a deviation of the suit, but isn't "better" than the original. It's just change for the sake of change.

I think the same applies to Superman. His look is his design. It's what makes him identifiable. change that and it looks...off for some reason.

I say do what they did with GL, use the same superman design but make the various elements, like the shorts, simply a change in color on the costume. Even it they use actual shorts, is it really that big of an issue? I use to have a problem with the shorts, and i still wouldn't mind seeing a decent redesign or alt costume in the comics. I'm just thinking a film may or may not be the best time for that sort of thing. When you say Superman, people expect a certain...something...which pretty much boils down to his look. That's the real reason Chris Reeve gets so much praise, aside from his acting, he facially, height and size wise looked like Superman. Other people have worn the costume, just look at the Superboy tv show, and one of those guys was already 30, old enough to be call Superman, but his look...said Superboy. It's a combination of the right facial featues, size/proportions and costume. routh had some of the right features, like his height, but enough was off to make him look like a guy in a costume instead of Superman. Reeve didn't have that problem.

I'm honestly starting to think, just like with Spider-man, who maintains pretty much his basic look, but just appears...off b/c it deviates from the basic design...the same would happen if they try to change Superman too much.

 

[Daybreak_st]

some concepts

These are my favorite three as they imply a type of material for his suit instead of just looking "painted on" which can't really be achieved in live action unless they do a cgi suit.

All three, at least in my view, don't look like he put on pants and then pulled on shorts on top of them. It looks like the red shorts is simply a color change. I like that. The material doesn't look like fabic.

I really like a lot of the last pic above, but would prefer less change in the blue and just use the basic color design we are all used to. I do believe Mr. Stripling is a good example of the sort of iterations the concept design artist should go through in trying to establish the new look for the film. He's using the same basic design in each image above but each stands out as distinctly different.

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

I like those too, but the last one doesn't sit as well with me. I get the attempt to avoid the "underwear-over-pants" look that people find so cheesy, but that design is just...well, it's literally just highlighting the crotch. I like everything else about the design though.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

These are my favorite three as they imply a type of material for his suit instead of just looking "painted on" which can't really be achieved in live action unless they do a cgi suit.

All three, at least in my view, don't look like he put on pants and then pulled on shorts on top of them. It looks like the red shorts is simply a color change. I like that. The material doesn't look like fabic.

I really like a lot of the last pic above, but would prefer less change in the blue and just use the basic color design we are all used to. I do believe Mr. Stripling is a good example of the sort of iterations the concept design artist should go through in trying to establish the new look for the film. He's using the same basic design in each image above but each stands out as distinctly different.

The last one looks like Nerf Superman....Pass! All these padded quilted variations have one thing in common. I'll let you figure out what that is. It begins with a S but it's not Superman.

 

[JAK®]

How are the first two designs not Superman?

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

How are the first two designs not Superman?

They are. I was primarily commenting on the last one and other padded looking versions throughout this thread. The first two are close to Classic but the seams are bit much imo. If I had to pick the best of the three the First is okay. The second one has boots that look over designed. Put the boots from the first one on the second one.

 

[Superman_20]

Can someone mess with something like this or with these on an actor or even on Christopher Reeve to see what this would actually look like, trying to make the colors similar to the artwork?

 

[Comicfan]

 

[Night Owl]

just 2 of my ideas what i think he should look like in the new film.

 

[Binker]

I know who did this (I don't know him personally) and he's on deviantart. And believe or not, but it is true; I'AM THE GUY who asked him to do this, Reeve wearing the Ultimate suit, and it spread like wildfire. As well as others, such as Reeve wearing the Lives suit; the SR suit, the Godfall suit, and the Kingdom Come suit.

This guy is really good, check him out here:
http://supersebas.deviantart.com/

 

[Superman_20]

really? thats pretty cool, i'd like to see one made without the rubber muscles though and an alex ross, i have never seen an alex ross superman costume on chris reeve or any other actor with the right colors and the large "S" just to see what it would look like

 

[Binker]

You can always ask him. I don't know if he'll reply, but at least he'll keep the request with the others. He must get dozens upon dozens of requests everyday. If you look at his art, you'll know why.

And don't laugh, but this is what people felt when SR was being released:

 

[JAK®]

Routh looks like Carl Sagan in that last pic.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

You can always ask him. I don't know if he'll reply, but at least he'll keep the request with the others. He must get dozens upon dozens of requests everyday. If you look at his art, you'll know why.

And don't laugh, but this is what people felt when SR was being released:

He's taken liberties with the SR suit it didn't look that good lol. Looks like the manties for one have been raised and another is the boots have been cleaned up.

 

[JAK®]

God, I'm having flashbacks to 2005 (and yes, I was there)

 

[Daybreak_st]

They are. I was primarily commenting on the last one and other padded looking versions throughout this thread. The first two are close to Classic but the seams are bit much imo. If I had to pick the best of the three the First is okay. The second one has boots that look over designed. Put the boots from the first one on the second one.

The boots look fine to me. Reeve's boots were ugly in the old films. All those new designs including Superman Returns were a vast improvement.

Unless they use an extremely thin material, which doubt they will, you're not going to get a whole lot of definition out of the costume. Those really thin material costumes look cheap anyway. That won't hold up well under HD scrutiny. You can bet the new costume will have a thicker material even if they go for the cloth like look. At best that's still something like Spider-man from the raimi films. I don't care how buff a person is, unless the material is paper thin you're only going to see their silhouette. That's why it doesn't matter how ripped a guy is. It's his overall silhouette that's gonna fill out the costume. I know it's posted in the other thread but look at Mike O'hearn, pro bodybuilder, American gladiator etc, the guy is crazy ripped but the only thing you see when in costume is his overall size and silhouette..

The guy playing batman is also a body builder named clark bartram:

The basics are broad shoulders, solid chest, good biceps (as their mass is evident when moving), but those images like the first one in this thread...as good as it looks they aren't going to get that kind of definition in the movie costume unless they use something like the Spidey suit, which is still aided by a muscule suit, or paint it on like GL.

Thin materials, sweat, look cheap, and aren't going to be used on a production of this scale.

 

[Daybreak_st]

I like those too, but the last one doesn't sit as well with me. I get the attempt to avoid the "underwear-over-pants" look that people find so cheesy, but that design is just...well, it's literally just highlighting the crotch. I like everything else about the design though.

Yeah for that one while i think he did an admirable job, i'd rather just keep the color scheme classic and fill in that whole area with red.

What i like most about that design is that he's taken note from Spider-man in making the boots part of the costume. It makes sense if you have Superman wearing his costume beneath his clothes. You have to wonder where does he keep his boots? Well based on this design it's not really an issue. I also love that he actually made it look like something that can be produced in live action. I mean anyone can post a picture of ultra ripped superman or a drawing from the comic but at the end of the day the issue is translating that into live action. It's not going to have that level of definition that you find in the comics. Concept artist...good concept artist take those things into account and try to render costume designs in a way that reflects what they will look like in real life not simply what it looks like as an illustration.