The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[sha1243]

There still going to see the movie there just really mad right now. Obviously Norton and marvel had a disagreement and this was its outcome. Now me personally I don't care who do they choose to play Banner in the avengers movie because it ain't about him its about the Hulk and avengers so this doesn't really change my mind about the avengers movie.

 

[topdog1]

Yeah sure i'll be there opening weekend, but like I said, my ticket stub will read something other than Avengers.

See, that's my point. EVERY movie I've seen since May 7th has had my ticket stub read "Iron Man 2" regardless of what I actually walked in to watch. I'll pay to see Avengers but that kind of passion will be lost with moves like this Norton announcement.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Why would you do that? Out of protest for them not keeping an actor? Why bother seeing it anyway? Because you love the genre, right. And you want there to be more films like this. Which means they need your money.

Recasting is NOT the end of the world. I thought Katie Holmes was fine on Batman Begins, but was it such a big deal when she was recast? No. And this won't be either. Hopefully, everything will even out.

Please don't compare Katie Holmes to Edward Norton.

My main reason now for seeing this is Iron Man and RDJ, but since Iron Man 3 is pretty much guaranteed, they're not getting my money for this.

 

[Chewy]

yet the Wheldon/Norton meeting had the two hitting it off???? This is MONEY... money and egos. Here's a studio that nearly undermined Favs after IM. We thought the Disney move would put all this crap behind them. It's as if Disney now has a gun to their heads, with "Here's our lofty expectations, meet them and the lowest budget possible and the fewest headaches."

Entirely hypothetical question: what if the problem is that Norton rubbed RDJ the wrong way? Is Marvel still the devil?

There is no point blaming anyone since we don't know the full story. And jumping to the ridiculous conclusions that you in particular are jumping to is silly.

 

[phillyboy]

Damn shame, Norton was the only one with enough chops to go toe to toe with Downey.

 

[Doc Ock]

I love to see comic book movies, even if they aren't very good...heck I love Ghost Rider, X3 is enjoyable to watch if I turn my complaining...ness? off, heck i'm very easy to please when it comes to seeing superheroes on the big screen! I might even like Jonah Hex when I get around to seeing it. But out of everything, no Edward Norton in Avengers annoys me more than anything! But because of my enjoyment of comic book films I will likely somehow end up seeing this anyways. :/

 

[topdog1]

when norton did the hulk im sure he thought nothing of what marvel was trying to do with the avengers. now its coming to fruition he wants back in, tough luck buddy your ship sailed. stop trying to pander to the fans, he threw that "i would like to return" out there just to get the fans behind him and not accept whoever replaces him. all that being said wait till sdcc then we will see whats going on.

What exactly did he do? Get ticked off that Marvel cut character out of an exceptional film??? Add a few of those character defining deleted scenes we all saw on the DVD and Incredible Hulk would be considered a masterpiece. Norton and Leterrier were indeed right. Now, he can move past that but, apparently, Marvel won't seems ridiculous to me. I'm not privy to inside intel but Norton is anything but a moron. If he were to appear in Avengers he has to know that it would be in a limited ensemble role. Sign that contract and worry about IH2 way later.

 

[topdog1]

I might even like Jonah Hex when I get around to seeing it.

No you won't, trust me. Has nothing to do with comic adaptation whining, that thing is just awful cinema, period.

 

[Doc Ock]

No you won't, trust me. Has nothing to do with comic adaptation whining, that thing is just awful cinema, period.

Oh....well....Megan Fox is already a huge thing in getting me not to see it...so maybe I won't ever see it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Entirely hypothetical question: what if the problem is that Norton rubbed RDJ the wrong way? Is Marvel still the devil?

There is no point blaming anyone since we don't know the full story. And jumping to the ridiculous conclusions that you in particular are jumping to is silly.

I'm not jumping to conclusions. You are taking Marvel's words at face value and that's fine. That's one side to a story here. TIH was four years ago. If they couldn't put a chopped theatrical cut behind them then both parties are to blame. You said it yourself that this is basically a **** you Norton. It's obvious Marvel was unhappy with Norton's actions after TIH and they never got over it. It's not about actors being below the characters. It's about actors gaining too much leverage over the executives and Feige's camp. This is an ego move, and they obviously didn't think Hulk was important enough to the story. Marvel undermined the character.

 

[OptimusPrime114]

No you won't, trust me. Has nothing to do with comic adaptation whining, that thing is just awful cinema, period.

I agree. Don't watch it!

 

[Chewy]

I'm not jumping to conclusions. You are taking Marvel's words at face value and that's fine. That's one side to a story here. TIH was four years ago. If they couldn't put a chopped theatrical cut behind them then both parties are to blame. You said it yourself that this is basically a **** you Norton. It's obvious Marvel was unhappy with Norton's actions after TIH and they never got over it. It's not about actors being below the characters. It's about actors gaining too much leverage over the executives and Feige's camp. This is an ego move, and they obviously didn't think Hulk was important enough to the story. Marvel undermined the character.

I am not taking their words at face value. I am recognizing that their words likely have much more behind them than any of us will ever know. And this is the very definition of jumping to conclusions:

It's as if Disney now has a gun to their heads, with "Here's our lofty expectations, meet them and the lowest budget possible and the fewest headaches."

 

[DocHoliday]

This news makes me angry. I mean I understand that Norton might be difficult (I'd say he cares) but so are lots of the great actors. You don't throw him to the curb over him being difficult. I really hope Marvel re-considers what they are doing here.

 

[topdog1]

I'm not jumping to conclusions. You are taking Marvel's words at face value and that's fine. That's one side to a story here. TIH was four years ago. If they couldn't put a chopped theatrical cut behind them then both parties are to blame. You said it yourself that this is basically a **** you Norton. It's obvious Marvel was unhappy with Norton's actions after TIH and they never got over it. It's not about actors being below the characters. It's about actors gaining too much leverage over the executives and Feige's camp. This is an ego move, and they obviously didn't think Hulk was important enough to the story. Marvel undermined the character.

Not that I disagree but Feige is no dummy either. He's done a nice job himself with his role in various projects over the years. This isn't his first rodeo. Marvel was obviously afraid of making IH too stagnant like Ang Lee's Hulk so, the gave in to that fear. Feige has to know that move was a mistake at this point. The film lost depth and some substance and it did NOT blow up at the box office. So, after seeing what was cut and the box office results, it's clear that Norton and Letterier were right. Feige may worry about losing future pull if he admits it but it's as clear as the nose on his face. What's worse, being known for being stubborn and thick-skulled or admitting you were wrong and moving forward?

 

[Golgo-13]

I would say that Norton is the most seasoned actor that has ever played a Marvel character. They were lucky to get him in the first place.

 

[Chewy]

I would say that Norton is the most seasoned actor that has ever played a Marvel character. They were lucky to get him in the first place.

Ian McKellen? Patrick Stewart? Jeff Bridges? Anthony Hopkins?

Not that I am in any way putting down Norton, but come on.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I am not taking their words at face value. I am recognizing that their words likely have much more behind them than any of us will ever know. And this is the very definition of jumping to conclusions:

Sarcasm has no place here anymore I guess... look, we can sit here all day and say we'll never know what happened, let's just wait and see. That's all well and good. The point of discussing this **** is to piece together what happened, why it did, how everything led to this. Those comments make it perfectly clear that "Norton wasn't a team player... he did not promote the film... he talked negatively about the studio that ultimately delivered the product." Instead of trying to mend those rifts, making this stuff work, it's another one strike and you are out... with Howard... now Norton. Basically, we are bigger than you and we are going to do whatever the **** we want.

 

[misjuevos]

marvel was just starting out with their movies. they only had iron man and they are still new. maybe they felt like norton speaking out was just to much. its their character norton was just the vessel. maybe they didnt like his interpretation after the fact. they had just came off of iron man with fav and rdj getting along and having fun. then they come to norton who is being a little anal with their stuff. they start work on iron man 2 and see fav and rdj still getting along after the big success not to mention how they really have championed the movie. then cut back to norton who comes out and says stuff about not liking the cut of the hulk film. i mean thats gotta chap marvels ass.

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm strating to think that Marvel is centering everything around Iron Man. They themselves admitted they didn't realize how big it was going to be. They even held back promoting TIH because they were scared a lesser known character like IM needed much more than Hulk. Now that IM is a cash cow for them, it's IM this..and IM that.

 

[misjuevos]

maybe it was due to fav going around pimping the movie, i dont remember louie doing anything.

 

[Doc Ock]

Ian McKellen? Patrick Stewart? Jeff Bridges? Anthony Hopkins?

Not that I am in any way putting down Norton, but come on.

Marvel is so lucky to have such great actors in their films.

 

[BETArayBill]

I just read a report that downey would like bathroom breaks during filming and marvel said that would be unacceptable so there thinking of replacing him as iron man

 

[FaT_tONle]

marvel was just starting out with their movies. they only had iron man and they are still new. maybe they felt like norton speaking out was just to much. its their character norton was just the vessel. maybe they didnt like his interpretation after the fact. they had just came off of iron man with fav and rdj getting along and having fun. then they come to norton who is being a little anal with their stuff. they start work on iron man 2 and see fav and rdj still getting along after the big success not to mention how they really have championed the movie. then cut back to norton who comes out and says stuff about not liking the cut of the hulk film. i mean thats gotta chap marvels ass.

Marvel wouldn't have given a **** what Norton was saying had the film performed. Once the movie was squandered the problems were even more evident. Good for them as now they have washed their hands clean, and they can point Hulk's deficits to Lee, LL, and Norton.

 

[topdog1]

Errr... maybe there's more to this story then I thought...

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12...confirms-they-will-hire-new-hulk-for-avengers

"We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title role of Bruce Banner in the Avengers. Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the coming weeks."

If Kevin Feige was quoted correctly then that's quite harsh and quite the slap at Norton. Not a team player??? Not a collaborative spirit???

 

[Spider-Vader]

B.S. that you don't need Banner.

F- this decision.

I'm jumping ship, Batman 3 better be the #1 movie in 2012 and I hope this tanks.

Yeah, you won't be saying that after seeing the trailer & finally seeing the big 3 together on-screen.

Damn shame, Norton was the only one with enough chops to go toe to toe with Downey.

How do you know? Have you seen Hemsworth as Thor or Evans as Cap? No, so don't say that until you've actually seen those movies.


I'm siding with Chewy, you guys are all morons... Esecially if Marvel is pulling your legs & will announce his return at Comic Con. If they don't, I'll be pissed. But I won't come to drastic conclusions like "I'M NOT SEEING DIS MOVIE!" "I HOPE THIS BOMBS" "WORST MOVIE EVER!"