The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - Part 11

[The Joker]

Spider-Man 2 had the only 'competitive' Visual Effects win for a CBM, but Superman: The Movie was awarded it as a Special Achievement Award. This was not abnormal prior to the 1990s.

So Spider-Man 2's win is more impressive then?

 

[James.Bartlett]

Oh? How do you rank and rate the Raimi trilogy?

Spider-Man: 9/10
Spider-Man: 8/10
Spider-Man 2: 7/10

Out of all the Spider-Man films.

Spider-Man: 9/10
The Amazing Spider-Man 2: 8.5/10
Spider-Man 3: 8/10
Spider-Man 2: 7/10
The Amazing Spider-Man: 6.5/10

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Yep, I still love the hell out of them and Spiderman 2 is still in my top 5.

Agreed. Spider-Man 2 still best Spider-Man movie, and Raimi's movies still best Spider-Man franchise.

Never be forgotten.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Spider-Man: 9/10
Spider-Man: 8/10
Spider-Man 2: 7/10

Out of all the Spider-Man films.

Spider-Man: 9/10
The Amazing Spider-Man 2: 8.5/10
Spider-Man 3: 8/10
Spider-Man 2: 7/10
The Amazing Spider-Man: 6.5/10

Amazing Spider-Man 2 is terrible and worst of all Spidey movies. It killed ASM franchise. Amy Pascal even hate it. She say even Spider-Man 3 is better than ASM movies.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Spider-Man: 9/10
Spider-Man 3: 8/10
Spider-Man 2: 7/10

I agree with this ranking and rating of the trilogy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

So Spider-Man 2's win is more impressive then?

Possibly. Superman didn't have to compete, the Academy just said 'this film had the best special effects for 1978' and gave them the award. Effectively, it was the only nominee.

Of course, that could be interpreted as no other film even having a chance at beating Superman so why bother? The Star Wars sequels similarly faced no competition for the award.

 

[Keehar]

Spider-Man 2: 9/10
Spider-Man: 8/10
Spider-Man 3: 5/10

Fixed that for you.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Spider-Man 2 is, ironically, one of my least favourite Spider-Man film.

I'm curious as to what you didn't like about it in comparison to the other films?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Spider-Man 2: 10/9
Spider-Man: 10/8
Spider-Man 3: 10/5

Fixed that for you.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Bruce Malone]

How do you think a Spider-Man 4 would have been?

I have to believe had they learned their lessons from 3 it would have at least surpassed TASM in quality.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agreed. Spider-Man 2 still best Spider-Man movie, and Raimi's movies still best Spider-Man franchise.

Never be forgotten.

Still one of the best, no MCU movie has topped it for me.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

How do you think a Spider-Man 4 would have been?

I have to believe had they learned their lessons from 3 it would have at least surpassed TASM in quality.

There is a huge IF in this statement.
From what I understand, the studio wanted to interfere harder with Spider-Man 4 production.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

How do you think a Spider-Man 4 would have been?

I have to believe had they learned their lessons from 3 it would have at least surpassed TASM in quality.

Based on what we know...probably not very good. Like Aziz said, the studio, Arad, was still hell bent on interfering with the 'creative' direction of the film and Sam Raimi was not going to be given the amount of freedom he had during the 1st two films. I seriously think Arad and his ego felt they could make a better movie than Sam could and thankfully Sam realized he wasn't going to be able to make the movie he wanted and bowed out. Had Sam been able to get back to what made the 1st two movies so good and accomplish his goal of making the "best Spider-Man movie ever" the end result most likely would have been much better. And dare I say, better than what we ended up with in the ASM series.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

How do you think a Spider-Man 4 would have been?

I have to believe had they learned their lessons from 3 it would have at least surpassed TASM in quality.

Yeah, but I have seen nothing to indicate Sony did learn their lessons from SM3. I do think it would have been more financially successful than TASM though. Redoing the origin again turned off a lot people right off the bat.

 

[Venom75]

The one thing that bugs me is how some people think that Spider-man 3 caused the downfall of Raimi's films and led to the eventual reboot. Like,somehow that film was so bad that it caused Spider-man 4 to be cancelled.
Again,the film is not that bad(some of us love it,me included),but even if the movie wasn't as highly praised as the previous two,it's still wasn't rated that badly(at least with critics)and still made the most money of the franchise. Part 3 really,in my opinion,had nothing to do with the cancellation of the series.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I don't think SM3 was the main reason with the cancellation with the series but It still had some impact, mostly in Sam Raimi who was disappointed for not being able to make the movie he wanted and facing similar issues with the next one. But other than that the franchise was not in bad shape, SM3 was the highest grossing film in the trilogy and the GA loved it(except for maybe people in the US and people highly influenced by movie reviews).

 

[Bruce Malone]

I just wonder why Sony never felt to give the same level of creative control to Raimi that WB did to Nolan?

You'd think that after S2 he'd have been in a similar position to Nolan after TDK?

I mean, I doubt Bane was WB's first pick for villain for TDKR but they sure as hell weren't going to decided for Nolan who to pick instead. Like Sony did forcing Raimi's hand with Venom.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I just wonder why Sony never felt to give the same level of creative control to Raimi that WB did to Nolan?

You'd think that after S2 he'd have been in a similar position to Nolan after TDK?

I mean, I doubt Bane was WB's first pick for villain for TDKR but they sure as hell weren't going to decided for Nolan who to pick instead. Like Sony did forcing Raimi's hand with Venom.

Arad and his ego.

 

[Leenie]

Still one of the best, no MCU movie has topped it for me.

Still THE best for me, and that's saying a lot, because there have been plenty of fantastic comic book movies since 2004.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Arad and his ego.

Is that guy still involved with Marvel pictures? at least the ones sony has rights too?

 

[Spidey_62]

Is that guy still involved with Marvel pictures? at least the ones sony has rights too?

He's a producer on the animated Spider-Man movie for 2018, other than that he's getting an executive producer credit for the 2017 movie and they're booting him as far away from it as possible. I think they're trying to make Avi feel important by letting him be the producer on the animated movie because his 'caretaking' of Spider-Man led Spider-Man right to the place he said they didn't need the year before.

 

[Venom75]

Avi,as much as some hate him,was one of the people really responsible for Marvel movies even coming to the big screen wasn't he?
Plus,and I've said this before,I never thought he forced Venom on Sam at all. Sam could've said no. Some people make it sound like Arad told Sam,"You include Venom or I'll take your family hostage!" I don't think that was the case at all,but that's just my opinion.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Is that guy still involved with Marvel pictures? at least the ones sony has rights too?

He's a producer on the animated Spider-Man movie for 2018, other than that he's getting an executive producer credit for the 2017 movie and they're booting him as far away from it as possible. I think they're trying to make Avi feel important by letting him be the producer on the animated movie because his 'caretaking' of Spider-Man led Spider-Man right to the place he said they didn't need the year before.

What Spidey62 said. For the live-action movies, Arad, and Tolmach for that matter have been removed from the creative aspect of the films and are simply going to be listed in an executive producer slot. I'd rather they be fired and completely gone but not being involved in the creative decision-making portion of the films is a close second.

Avi,as much as some hate him,was one of the people really responsible for Marvel movies even coming to the big screen wasn't he?
Plus,and I've said this before,I never thought he forced Venom on Sam at all. Sam could've said no. Some people make it sound like Arad told Sam,"You include Venom or I'll take your family hostage!" I don't think that was the case at all,but that's just my opinion.

Whatever Arad did in the past with regards to Marvel and their financial issues doesn't give him a proverbial 'pass' to drag characters through the mud and make wretched movies.

Sam Raimi was unfamiliar with the character of Venom. Arad told him that the fans wanted Venom and that he should take the time to listen to what the fans want and put Venom into the movie. Sam did his research and found Venom lacking in any real substance and didn't understand why the character was so beloved. But Sam went along with Arad because he was pushed into believing that the fans 'wanted' Venom so badly that by not including him, Sam would have been performing some unjust act.

Arad was/is playing by his own agenda. There's a reason Sam left and it's because the creative freedom he was allowed on the 1st two Spider-Man movies was gone. Sam wanted to make "the best Spider-Man movie ever" for SM4 but realized with Arad, his ego and the rest of the corps at Sony weren't going to allow him that opportunity, he stood tall and walked away.

And with all the info that has come to light regarding the production, post-production on the ASM series, Arad is an idiot. I'm so glad that Feige agreed that he's a complete idiot and is keeping him out of the creative loop on the new live-action movies.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think a Spider-Man 4 with John Malkovich as the Vulture, Dylan Baker as the Lizard and Anne Hathaway as Black Cat would have been very interesting to see but yeah Sony screwed things up.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I think Sam would have done brilliant job with Spider-Man 4 if he got to do it the way he wanted like with first two movies.