Iron Man The Official Iron Man Rate & Review Thread

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either way, facing a life and death like situation is a strong reason (script writing wise) to give your character a leap in development/motivation

bruce had his when he was young
 
It's a discussion regarding Tony Stark's character development in Iron Man. Maybe it's not in the right thread but the topic very much pertains to this movie...And these are the Iron Man boards, yes? :yay:

you tell em
 
I'm glad they did not take a "Batman Begins" with Stark wandering around philosophizing everything to death with the tea-spoon mentality. Stark is a more hands on guy, no hesitating and no deep analyze of the situation. And he is a much more "bad" ass then Wayne. Wayne is moms dreamkid in comparisson. Stark kills those he thinks deserves it, Wayne would not do that. Although Wayne got closer to that "line" in BB, where he first saves his enemy from death in the first act, but leaves him to die in the third. Stark would just pop him if he had the chance.

Wayne is smarter at business and planning things, Stark is smarter in science and jumps into things blindly. Wayne would have tested the suit for weeks, while Stark just flew off. They are different characters and to expect the same type of "character development" with Stark with more "moments of introspection" would be out of character.

This is Tony Stark, not Bruce Wayne. He does not dwell on things, he does not philosophize or plan things down to every little detail. To want more moments of introspection is not understanding the character, IMO. :)
 
I'm glad they did not take a "Batman Begins" with Stark wandering around philosophizing everything to death with the tea-spoon mentality. Stark is a more hands on guy, no hesitating and no deep analyze of the situation. And he is a much more "bad" ass then Wayne. Wayne is moms dreamkid in comparisson. Stark kills those he thinks deserves it, Wayne would not do that. Although Wayne got closer to that "line" in BB, where he first saves his enemy from death in the first act, but leaves him to die in the third. Stark would just pop him if he had the chance.

Wayne is smarter at business and planning things, Stark is smarter in science and jumps into things blindly. Wayne would have tested the suit for weeks, while Stark just flew off. They are different characters and to expect the same type of "character development" with Stark with more "moments of introspection" would be out of character.

This is Tony Stark, not Bruce Wayne. He does not dwell on things, he does not philosophize or plan things down to every little detail. To want more moments of introspection is not understanding the character, IMO. :)

Agreed.
 
Just got back from Iron Man and I was quite impressed. It's not perfect but still very good imo. Probably ties with BB as my favorite comic movie right now:up:
 
The only reason I brought up Begins in my review of Iron Man was because, whether you like it or not, the structure of this film rips from Batman Begins. It just does.

The characters mirror each other as well, in terms of how they're executed on screen. Nolan just handled the material better. But Favreau, I personally feel, is far further in development of his new franchise with this first film than Raimi ever was with that first Spider-Man film.

Iron Man kills Spider-Man on every filmmaking level. It's not even close.
 
Saw it earlier today, it is a solid film and for me it warrants a 7/10, I had some issues with the film such as the length of it, some scenes felt rushed while others dragged out for too long. All in all its a good film, so go and watch it
 
In the beginning, Stark simply doesn't realize what his weapons are being used for. He is naiive, not evil (that would have been far more interesting, a turn from someone who knows damn well that his weapons are sold on the black market and still doesn't quite care until he sees how it affects innocent lives) and believes that only the United States military has access to his stuff. Him realizing that terrorists can also use his weapons is again, abrubt character "development". There is no prompted investigation into his company, to see if maybe, just maybe, there's more to his weapons use than meets the eye. That would have been appropriate character development, as he begins to realize just what his company is responsible for, and not just that his weapons can be stolen. Being handed a picture of his weapons being used overseas again is not. That's just a story point that incites him to action, which an investigation into his company leading to the realization that his weapons were still in use would have done as well.

Bruce Wayne, on the other hand, wants revenge. He goes from wanting revenge, to beginning to realize that his desire for revenge is selfish. From there, he begins to realize that revenge will not be enough, and that he would rather seek justice. He goes on a worldwide search for this, becoming lost, and having to pull himself out of that "loss". Granted, Ra's Al Ghul helps him along, but Bruce finds his path in the end. Past that, he then has a journey after he knows what he wants to do in Gotham, to becoming Batman, which involves the "omen" sequence and Bruce Wayne strategically building himself into a creature of the night. And even after that, there is develop to his character, because once he becomes Batman, he also has to put on a mask as Bruce Wayne, which leads to all kinds of issues with the public and with his friend Rachel. He also undergoes development relevant to his father, and his attempt to mirror their work as Gotham's savior.

Tony Stark realizes that his company's weapons can be misused. He doesn't like this, and he builds a suit of armor, and he becomes Iron Man, embracing the role in a very quick shift in character at the end of the movie. Does the story develop? Sure, as it progresses, as any story does, but his character development is fairly abrubt and not real deep.

Wayne's entire objective changes. In fact, he has three: revenge at the outset, a desire to save Gotham later on and a search for the method to do so, and later, a need to disguise his true nature.

Tony Stark has one objective during IRON MAN: Stop his weapons from hurting innocent people. He never has to be told the right thing to do, he never struggles to achieve his method, he never changes his public persona.

And that's fine, but you just can't really compare the depth of character development between them. Bruce has more development. Much more.

I'm glad they did not take a "Batman Begins" with Stark wandering around philosophizing everything to death with the tea-spoon mentality.

Believe me, so am I, but the philosophizing isn't really where the character development lies. It's Bruce's reaction to the philosophies that allowed him to develop as a character.

Stark may be more "abrubt" as a character, and his actions may be in keeping with the mythology, and that's fine. But that just proves the point even further.

Wayne is smarter at business and planning things, Stark is smarter in science and jumps into things blindly. Wayne would have tested the suit for weeks, while Stark just flew off.

Wayne jumped into things fairly blindly as well. This is a man who went into kill Chill out of revenge, went right "after" Falcone, ran off with the League of Shadows at a moment's notice, went to confront Gordon before he was even finished with the suit, etc. Tony Stark DID test his suit for weeks. What do you think all the "testing" scenes were meant to show? Trial and error, and then success.

They are different characters and to expect the same type of "character development" with Stark with more "moments of introspection" would be out of character.

I don't think Stark actually reasoning out why he changed his mind a little better is out of character. "I saw young men killed by my weapons" just isn't broad enough for the concept of responsibility that the film presents. He needed to go further, and do more than have a kneejerk reaction where he shut down his company's bread and butter.

Regardless of whether the abrubt change is in character or not, it is not an impressive method of structuring character development. Period.
 
i personally feel everything we're talking bout when it comes to character development is at a scriptual level

raimi/nolan/favareau

is it really them?
 
One thing I will say is that they way Stark 'turned' his life around did not fly with me, it felt too sudden, I would have liked a bit more introspection
 
I must at this point, point out that I do not mind Stark changing so quickly, as that is somewhat in character. I just would have liked to have seen a bit more "to" it.
 
It's a discussion regarding Tony Stark's character development in Iron Man. Maybe it's not in the right thread but the topic very much pertains to this movie...And these are the Iron Man boards, yes? :yay:
No
This is Iron Man and not Batman
 
One thing I will say is that they way Stark 'turned' his life around did not fly with me, it felt too sudden, I would have liked a bit more introspection
To be fair, Stark was gone for 3 months. That's alot of time to do some personal reflection.
 
i agree with you guard but you can just say it was a matter of seeing photos of your weapons hurting families

to not only have a bomb explode in your chest (with the stark label on in lol) but then to have a camp of terrorists hold u captive and force you to take a hands on approach to doing the negative ish
torture you
kill your friend
escape
and then see photos with them having what they wanted anyways(personally that didn't fit with me actually)

stark then taking a hands on approach in stopping them has two motives, if responsibility and justice doesn't work
then straight up vengence is the secondary one.
he went after them
 
For me it wasn't abrupt because he was in captivity for 3 months...for me it shows that he had a lot of time to reflect on his life and what he's done in the past...

Hence why when he finally returned he really had become a changed man and knew exactly what he wanted to do with his weapons business...
 
To be fair, Stark was gone for 3 months. That's alot of time to do some personal reflection.

Don't you ever disagree with me again :cmad:.................:hehe:

True, you have a fair point, I just feel it could have been handled better
 
yea

stark back form his ordeal getting off the plane compared to wanye back from his "ordeal" getting on the plane

the stark stuff seemed to have more character molding weight to them
 
I don't normally do this...but i'm giving it a 10 out of 10. I absolutely loved it. It's now my favorite superhero film ever. :)
 
He may have been gone for 3 months, but other than that one "This is your legacy" scene where he's sort of staring blankly ahead, we just don't see any of his reflections. This would have been the scene to reference his father, his time in the arms business, etc.
 
to not only have a bomb explode in your chest (with the stark label on in lol) but then to have a camp of terrorists hold u captive and force you to take a hands on approach to doing the negative ish
torture you
kill your friend
escape
and then see photos with them having what they wanted anyways(personally that didn't fit with me actually)

What you are describing are story elements, not neccessarily gradual character development. This is all related to a single angle: "Oh no, terrorists have my weapons, I'm going to change who I am." It doesn't reflect an awareness of the larger picture. It's all tied to a single event.

The closest they got to such a scene was Yinsen's speech to Stark about his legacy.

I'm not talking about themes. The themes exist. They're just not fleshed out a whole lot.
 
Oh hell, why not let Iron Man and Batman end this discussion.

 
Come on people Tony had soo much happen to him, being held captive if that had been me I would have changed right away too.
 
it's funny cuz in all these press junkets and interviews... all they keep saying is Favreau and Downie Jr rewrote pretty much everything of the script... i wonder why they didn't get in script credit? Cuz the writers of Children of Men apparently got tons of their worked scrapped on the days of filming
 
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