My few gripes come from the fact that the script, clearly, wasn't up to snuff or Downey wouldn't have had to improv 70% of the film. Granted, he delivers like no other but you can easily tell that most of the great stuff came from improv. That's got to be changed in the next script. By the way, the dialogue durint the end fight for all the principal characters was absolutely atrocious, just terrible. I felt bad for Gwenyth.
Fourth, Stark's journey isn't as profound as say Bruce Wayne's journey in Batman Begins. The reason I bring that film up is because the structure of thisilm and how it's executed is clearly ripped from that film. Nothing wrong with it but Stark's change didn't quite grab me, eventhough it had the best potential to grab me more than Wayne's story in Batman Begins.
One plot point is quite ridiculous, I mean his captors don't know he's building a giant metal suit??? But it's a comicbook movie and thats his orgin in the comics so I'm okay with that.
Agreed.
This was one of the smaller issues I had with the film. But the problem with Stark's journey is that he literally just CHANGES after his experience. He doesn't delve into what his company is doing with his weapons, he doesn't broaden his knowledge of it, he just changes. There's no debate about whether what he and his father and Stane were doing all these years is right or appropriate before he does, no introspection...he is just a changed man. And that's fine for a 22 page comic book, but a movie can explore that a little more.
Wait, this movie cost $186 million?
If I had been held captive for three months and wanted a cheeseburger upon getting home, I sure as hell wouldn't go to Burger King.
at the same time unlike begins there was a somewhat full character ark
tony was one person at the beginning and he grew into a completely different person towards the very end
and to say he was different when he was a kid might make sense but honestly you don't get enough of that kid to know what's going on in his head.
Marvin,
Are you saying that Wayne isn't completely different by the time he comes back to Gotham and by the time the film ends?
Because, the film I saw, you saw a transition in Wayne twice throughout Begins. With Iron Man, as Guard says, he just changes...no introspection at all. Had the film had at least two scenes, especially with Pepper, Rhodes, and Stane of Stark having some introspection, at least asking questions, his arc would've been much fuller and probably better than Wayne's arc in Begins.
This film didn't have that, even though the pieces are right there to explore...
...When Begins ends, Wayne still has some issue to work out that were hinted at in the third act of the film. With Stark, I'm sure they'll come to his other infamous issues, but he's totally complete by the end of this film.
Dude, this is an Iron Man thread.BATMAN BEGINS featured a full character arc for Bruce Wayne. With arguably more levels to it than Iron Man's Stark, because you also had Bruce developing his "Public Bruce" identity and developing in that regard as well.
So did Bruce, on multiple levels. Bruce is looking for purpose in BATMAN BEGINS. After he finds that purpose, he's looking for a means to achieve it. After that, he's continually evolving as a character.
He's different as a grown man as well. The Bruce who tries to kill Joe Chill out of his own selfish desire for revenge is a far cry from the man who saves Gotham City at the end of the movie.
What I was looking for was a quieter moment, where Tony Stark puts it all together. Not a loud press conference where he's already made his decision.