Sequels The Official Jason White Thread

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Um, last time I checked...Lex was a known villain stranded on an island. And what did he do with his fortune in Superman Returns? And we still weren't given any details about the five year journey and New Krypton is a barren land mass. I still don't see these seeds you're talking about.

Lex was released from jail; charges dismissed prior to SR. He gained the fortune in SR; what he does with it is yet to be determined.

NK is growing in space (with the crystals on it); it will have to be addressed in the sequel in some form.

And I thought adding Jason and Richard was stupid, but Singer did it. :yay:?

Its only stupid in the context youre laying out for it.

Superman using his powers to spy on Louis and Richard is totally against his character, but he did it.?

And yet he does it in practically every incarnation (too often in L + C); particularly wrong when he used his vision to check out Lois in STM just to deliver that joke about her not having lung cancer.

But of course, Richard's character is more important than the protagonist.

If thats what you think, it doesnt surprise me how way off your ideas are.
 
Lex was released from jail; charges dismissed prior to SR. He gained the fortune in SR; what he does with it is yet to be determined.

NK is growing in space (with the crystals on it); it will have to be addressed in the sequel in some form.



Its only stupid in the context youre laying out for it.



And yet he does it in practically every incarnation (too often in L + C); particularly wrong when he used his vision to check out Lois in STM just to deliver that joke about her not having lung cancer.



If thats what you think, it doesnt surprise me how way off your ideas are.

1) He gained a fortune in SR and did nothing with it

2) Um, did you not see the part in the movie when Lex and his goons held Louis and her son hostage and created a landmass to destroy established continents? Louis is a reporter, do you think she is not going to REPORT what happened? Guess what they call people who do actions like that...criminals who face jail time. And Lex is currently stranded on an island. This means Lex is still a KNOWN criminal stranded on an island.

3) It was stupid for Singer to add two new characters when he couldn't properly develop the protagonist and his alter ego. Lex and Louis both had more screentime and lines than the protagonist.

4) Superman using his powers to diagnose cancer is different than him spying on a couple to serve his own self interest, but I know you're smart enough to know the difference....maybe. People who diagnose illnesses are usually held in high esteem. People who spy and stalk are usually reported to the police.

5) Your attempt to manipulate what I said is laughable. You are the one insisting that changing Richard's character is stupid, but you ignore the fact that the protagonist's character was altered..who most would assume is more important.

6) If you don't like my idea that is fine. But using adjectives like "stupid"....surely you can find better ways to communicate.
 
1) He gained a fortune in SR and did nothing with it.

Which is why I said its something to be dealt with in the sequel.

2) Um, did you not see the part in the movie when Lex and his goons held Louis and her son hostage and created a landmass to destroy established continents? Louis is a reporter, do you think she is not going to REPORT what happened? Guess what they call people who do actions like that...criminals who face jail time. And Lex is currently stranded on an island. This means Lex is still a KNOWN criminal stranded on an island.

3) It was stupid for Singer to add two new characters when he couldn't properly develop the protagonist and his alter ego. Lex and Louis both had more screentime and lines than the protagonist.

4) Superman using his powers to diagnose cancer is different than him spying on a couple to serve his own self interest, but I know you're smart enough to know the difference....maybe. People who diagnose illnesses are usually held in high esteem. People who spy and stalk are usually reported to the police.

5) You attempt to manipulate what I said is laughable. You are the one insisting that changing Richard's character is stupid, but you ignore the fact that the protagonist's character was altered..who most would assume is more important.

2) Youre just assuming. We dont know what Lois will do post-SR or whether Lex will threaten her and Superman (given he knows Jason is Superman's son). We'll find out in the next film.

3) Your opinion

4+5) Superman only did it to make that casual quip about how she shouldnt smoke; just before he mentioned how he liked her pink panties. Youre talking about a guy who had sex with her and then casually erased her memory of the whole night; you can twist anything in a negative way like that (for any incarnation of Superman.... this supposed 'alteration' of the protagonist's character is bull). Superman on L+C just used his Xray vision to check out Lois naked for the hell of it. The way it was handled in SR was really tame and innocent.


This thread isnt for discussing these elements of the film though; as far as your ideas......if you dont believe me when I tell you how bad they are....seriously make a poll. They dont sound like smart or popular ways to go with this storyline.
 
Which is why I said its something to be dealt with in the sequel.



2) Youre just assuming. We dont know what Lois will do post-SR or whether Lex will threaten her and Superman (given he knows Jason is Superman's son). We'll find out in the next film.

3) Your opinion

4+5) Superman only did it to make that casual quip about how she shouldnt smoke; just before he mentioned how he liked her pink panties. Youre talking about a guy who had sex with her and then casually erased her memory of the whole night; you can twist anything in a negative way like that (for any incarnation of Superman.... this supposed 'alteration' of the protagonist's character is bull). Superman on L+C just used his Xray vision to check out Lois naked for the hell of it. The way it was handled in SR was really tame and innocent.


This thread isnt for discussing these elements of the film though; as far as your ideas......if you dont believe me when I tell you how bad they are....seriously make a poll. They dont sound like smart or popular ways to go with this storyline.

Ok, I now see there is no reason to really debate with you any longer, because now you're just reaching.

Louis Lane (who is very competitive by nature)...the same Louis Lane who risked her son's life (by taking him with her to get to the bottom of the power outtage and getting him held hostage)..the same Louis who risks her life time after time to chase a story...is not going to report the events of Superman Returns? She was a part of a potentially global disaster as a result of Lex Luther (a criminal just released who she has had run-ins with in the past)...and you're questioning if she is going to report something like what happened in Superman Returns? Do you know Louis Lane's character @ all? You're proving more and more that maybe your view isn't that credible concerning the Superman mythos. Knowing Louis Lane's character...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that it would be a big story and she would report it! Why wouldn't she want to report that Lex is a terrorist like criminal who endangered her life, her son's life and the lives of millions of people? What sense does that make?

For what reason would she not want to report about the events of Superman Returns and expose Lex as the criminal he is responsible for the disasters in Superman Returns?

I'm anxious to see your logic on the matter. Please indulge my curiosity.

And Lex never saw the kid toss the piano. He has no real evidence that Jason is Superman's son.


And I'm not insistent on everyone liking my idea. It's an idea that I like, but its the way in which you responded that rubbed me the wrong way. I don't need to make a poll, because I can defend whatever I say without justification from other members. If I feel like I'm wrong, I'll admit it. If I feel like I have a point, I'll defend it. But then..with some individuals..you have to agree to disagree.
 
I still say, Eradicator appears from the crystals on NK. He acts as a connection to Superman in th FOS taking the place of Jorel. He fines out Jason is not pure blood Kryptonian and decides he needs to be elminated. Superman has to come to the horrible decision that he has to take away Jason's powers via the chamber from Superman 2, which basically erases the connection to his son.
 
If they went with your idea Showtime, I'd like to see Jason defend himself a little bit. You know, not be totally defenseless...duke it out a lil bit. I don't know if it could be executed though without appearing corny.
 
And I'm not insistent on everyone liking my idea. It's an idea that I like, but its the way in which you responded that rubbed me the wrong way. I don't need to make a poll, because I can defend whatever I say without justification from other members. If I feel like I'm wrong, I'll admit it. If I feel like I have a point, I'll defend it. But then..with some individuals..you have to agree to disagree.
I'm all for creative liberties, and to be honest, you shouldn't publish something you don't like.

However, you must apply that consistently to all artists - Singer made SR as a story that HE was happy with. If you're not, he doesn't force you to watch it. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Its as simple as that (or watch it, say you didn't like it, then drop it).

So, shall we move on?

On topic, I'd say that Jason would most certainly be a big bargaining chip for Lex, who would use that to blackmail Lois and Supes into keeping quiet about NK. NK would act as a catalyst as evidence emerges that it was Kryptonian technology that was stolen by terrorists (vague, but technically true). Hell, Lex might even sell out his henchmen as the fall people (especially Kitty).

After that, Lex senses an opportunity to undermine confidence in Superman, and takes a big interest in LexCorp (which has a very big property arm ;)). This allows us to develop a Brainiac arc, which evolves into my script for the sequel.

Thats where I see it going, or, more accurately, would like to see it go.
 
If they went with your idea Showtime, I'd like to see Jason defend himself a little bit. You know, not be totally defenseless...duke it out a lil bit. I don't know if it could be executed though without appearing corny.

I think it would be a very emotional scene for both Superman and Jason and the irony of the situation would be huge.
 
I'm all for creative liberties, and to be honest, you shouldn't publish something you don't like.

However, you must apply that consistently to all artists - Singer made SR as a story that HE was happy with. If you're not, he doesn't force you to watch it. Don't like it? Don't watch it. Its as simple as that (or watch it, say you didn't like it, then drop it).

So, shall we move on?

On topic, I'd say that Jason would most certainly be a big bargaining chip for Lex, who would use that to blackmail Lois and Supes into keeping quiet about NK. NK would act as a catalyst as evidence emerges that it was Kryptonian technology that was stolen by terrorists (vague, but technically true). Hell, Lex might even sell out his henchmen as the fall people (especially Kitty).

After that, Lex senses an opportunity to undermine confidence in Superman, and takes a big interest in LexCorp (which has a very big property arm ;)). This allows us to develop a Brainiac arc, which evolves into my script for the sequel.

Thats where I see it going, or, more accurately, would like to see it go.

This difference is, people don't pay to see my comments. And the WB didn't pay me to post comments on this board. The WB paid Singer and his crew to create a film to appeal to the general audience. The WB expected him to create a movie that would make a certain amount @ the box office. So do you see the flaw in comparing my posts to something like a movie that cost over 200 million dollars? I shouldn't have to explain something like this. It's common sense.

Movies are made to make money and appease movie goers...my posts are not intended to serve the same function and don't costs millions of dollars.
 
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There are a few conditions, however:

- Killing Jason off. Not going to happen.
- Ignoring him and basically writing him out of the movies. Why would Singer introduce a character just to ignore him? This isn't going to happen.
- No discussion on the moral ethics of Superman having a child out of wedlock, or him being a 'deadbeat dad' because they don't belong here.

But those are the only worthwhile ways of dealing with the character. If he's going to be in the movie, there's no point in wasting all that time and money on another Superman movie.
 
But those are the only worthwhile ways of dealing with the character. If he's going to be in the movie, there's no point in wasting all that time and money on another Superman movie.
In your opinion.

This isn't what everyone else thinks, however, as there are many alternative suggestions in this thread.

So if you have nothing to add, leave.
 
You know what; I'll just copy it here:

To make things simple, I'll outline some of the basic ideas for my story in point form:


- The story takes place two years following the events of Superman Returns.

- Perry White has retired and Richard is the new editor of the Daily Planet. The demanding nature of Richard's job is isolating him more and more from Lois and Jason. Lois is starting to feel uncomfortable with Richard as her boss at the Daily Planet.

- Superman has regained his public fame in the world and is currently investigating a conspiricy case in Metropolis where it is believed a rogue FBI Agent named Milton Fine is in a partnership with Morgan Edge's intergang (the reigning crime gang in Metropolis).

- Superman has forged a working friendship with Richard over the years. They often meet regularly for Superman to get inside information from Richard that he wouldnt be able to obtain as Clark Kent (regarding Milton Fine in this case).

- Superman now knows that Richard and Lois were intentionally trying to protect Jason all along by keeping the identity of his true father as a secret.

- Superman's investigations lead him to uncovering that intergang has possession of Kryptonian technology and weapons. They are building some kind of gateway.

- Supes takes on Intergang and confronts Morgan Edge. He discovers the humans are building a gateway to the Phantom Zone for whoever is supplying them with Kryptonian weapons and technology.

- FBI Agent Fine is identified to be the one supplying them and reveals to Superman that he is in fact Brainiac.

- Fine/Brainiac reveals that he transmitted information to a human contact 7 years ago that could be used to falsify Krypton's existence. When Superman travelled to Krypton, the main core of Brainiac downloaded itself into Superman's ship and then rebuilt itself on Earth upon Superman's Return. He has infiltrated the Govt and maintained a human identity ever since.

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- Brainiac then reveals his origin to Superman. His program was secretly created by the Kryptonian council without Jor-El's knowledge as a weapon and tool to preserve Kryptonian hertiage. Brainiac (growing in knowledge and artificial intelligence) was eventually abadoned in space upon the planet's destruction until he was able to orchestrate Superman's arrival.

- Brainac plans to recreate Krypton on earth by eliminating the entire human race and using the stored DNA patterns in his system to begin cloning a Kryptonian civilization (as he was programmed to do). He orders Superman to begin the process by murdering Jason (as Jason's blood isnt pure Kryptonian).

- Superman refuses and Brainiac unleashes an animal creature of pure violence from the Phantom Zone; Doomsday.. on Metropolis.

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- Superman fights Doomsday in a bloody battle to protect the city while the US govt discover a weapon that Agent Fine planted in the White House. It has Kryptonian text counting down and appears to be some kind of weapon that could wipe the entire population of Earth off the surface when it blows.

- Doomsday heads towards Jasons school to hunt him down. The school is attacked though Jason is safe thanks to Superman. After a bloody battle, Superman injures Doomsday severly as Doomsday escapes into the ocean. Superman's suit is ripped and torn apart.



- . Lois and Richard realize they need to get Jason out of Metropolis to safety. Clark offers that all four of them go back to his home in Smallville where they will be safe. Richard tells Jason and Lois to go while he stays behind at the Planet as many citizens begin to flood out of Metropolis after the Doomsday attack.

- The US defense dept and the President realize there is only one man who can help them deactivate this weapon with Superman now MIA (believed to be killed by Doomsday); Lex Luthor. The President coerces Luthor to help in exchange for a pardon of past crimes. Luthor agrees and reveals that concentrated Kryptonite can de-power this type of Kryptonian crystal weapon as he learned about this in the Fortress with Jor-El. Luthor begins to synthesize meteor rocks into Kryptonite using his technology and research from Superman 1.

- In Smallville, Martha meets Lois, Jason and Clark at the Kent Farm. She starts to notice how Jason reminds her of young Clark as we see some flashbacks from her prespective of Clark's childhood.

- Clark tells Martha that his Superman suit [that he got from the Fortress years ago] was torn apart. Martha then reveals that she kept the blankets that Clark was wrapped in as a baby, made from a material as strong as his suit, and can use them to try to help mend his costume.

- Lois begins to snoop around at the Kent farm looking at old photos. She is shocked to see that Clark had a highschool girlfriend and a life in Smallville. She begins to realize that there was much more to him than she thought.

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- Eventually she realizes that he is Superman afterall and confronts Clark. They have an emotional discussion about why Clark had to keep this from her (reminiscent of Batman 1989 with Bruce and Vicky).

- Doomsday recovers and appears again in Metropolis as Clark reveals that he must go back to stop him. Before he flies off, Martha hands him his suit; with the cape now made of the brighter red blanket material from the ship with a yellow \S/ on the back.

- They fight as Doomsday drives Superman into the Daily Planet building and begins to tear it apart. Superman saves Jimmy, Richard and the other civilians as Doomsday continues his rampage.

- Lex places his newly made Kryptonite control key onto the explosive device and depowers it.

- Fine/Brainiac, furious at this development, sends the New Krypton landmass in space hurdling towards earth. The speed at which its travelling breaks NK apart as the first wave of meteors smash into Metropolis. Superman, in an attempt to escape Doomsday's clutches to save the city, drives Doomsday into one of the larger meteors crashing down towards Metropolis and the creature is killed on impact. Superman then takes to the skies to destroy the rest. Brainiac follows Superman into space to stop him.

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- Superman eventually overpowers Brainiac and sends him and the NK landmass into the sun.

- Weeks pass as the city starts to rebuild.

- Lex, given the President's support, begins to build Lexcorp (advanced defence against future attacks). Superman confronts Lex where Lex reveals that he was the one that Brainiac transmitted to 7 years ago. Luthor was the one that placed the false evidence to drive Superman to Krypton. Lex reveals that he knows that Jason White is Superman's son and threatens harm to the boy if Superman interferes with his business. Superman is furious but realizes theres nothing he can do to stop Luthor within the law and vows to one day make him pay for his crimes.

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- Lex then secretly tells Kitty that he isnt after money, but immortality and ultimate knowledge. He says he believes that only Fine was killed and the core computer of Brainiac is still intact somewhere on Earth. He intends to find it using Lexcorp's resources.

- Clark tells Lois about Luthor's threat against Jason and she comes to an important decision. She tells Richard that they need to move to Smallville, it would be the best and safest thing for Jason now that Lex is gaining power over Metropolis. Richard knows that he is needed in Metropolis, to rebuild the Daily Planet. He can't leave but painfully decides to let Lois go (thinking of Jason's best interests). Unsure of when Lois would return, Richard and Lois decide to break off the engagement.

- Richard and Lois say their goodbyes as Clark, Lois and Jason head for the plane to Kansas.

- Back in Smallville, Jason is now enrolled in a new school under the alias "Conner Kent" so Lex Luthor can't track him and begins a new life.

- The film ends with Lois and Clark deciding to tell Jason about Krypton and his heritage as Martha watches.

- Clark, now temporarily based in Smallville, as his home and work in Metropolis is gone, heads to the skies as Superman to listen for trouble and save those who need him.

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great idea justice bringer, be cool to see supeman driving brainiac in the sun.
 
what did they plant seeds for in Superman Returns? If that's the case....there doesn't seem to be much direction for the sequel...because not much was planted in Superman Returns. Seeds for lexcorp weren't planted. Seeds for brainiac or any major villain weren't planted. What seeds were planted?
I kinda agree with you on the whole making Richard a villian...only cause i was thinking that myself, just cause of lois's love for Supes, and not to mention at the daily planet, when he was looking at clark comparing him to Supes.....Lois did tell him what Supes weakness were. But, i dont really agree with Jason becoming a villian, you know? Only cause of Supes whole talk with Jason in the bedroom,and that whole Jason kissing him in the hospital, and basically just Jason admiring Supes with all the drawings. I honestly dont think Singer wants to go that route with him.
 
Who's Louis Lane? Lois's brother? Or did she have a sex change operation? ;) :D

Angeloz
 
Anyone think they should kill Jason? I do. IMO, he never should've been brought into the story in the first place.
 
Jason will not be killed, if anybody gets killed it's going to be Richard.
 
Jason will not be killed, if anybody gets killed it's going to be Richard.

Don't kill Richard! he has so much potential! Make him bizzaro or metallo somehow. his resentment towards superman after finding out that jason isn't his son causes him to go crazy! he embraces the power of the darkseid!
 

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