Sequels The Official Jason White Thread

[Spider-Fan83]

And he didn't turn back time in "Superman Returns".

Angeloz

ya, but, he should've

 

[Angeloz]

ya, but, he should've

LOL. Like mind-wipe kissing?

Angeloz

 

[Angeloz]

SInger used the S:TM as a template for SR with only a few different scenes. The detail may be different, but if you outline the scenes next to each other you can see direct parallels.

I agree. But there are parallels in comics too. So it's a similar world but different. Like Kal-El arrived later and stopped Luthor later too. Unofficially he wasn't in the Fortress 12 years. Plus so much more. I view it as a separate world to the other films but it has things that they have in common or similar. Kind of like how I've heard the comics at the moment are no longer the pure Byrne origin but a mixture of stuff. Including some Silver Age stuff. At least I've read that - I don't know for sure and have heard nothings concrete. I'll grant you I'm no expert.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

I agree. But there are parallels in comics too. So it's a similar world but different. Like Kal-El arrived later and stopped Luthor later too. Unofficially he wasn't in the Fortress 12 years. Plus so much more. I view it as a separate world to the other films but it has things that they have in common or similar. Kind of like how I've heard the comics at the moment are no longer the pure Byrne origin but a mixture of stuff. Including some Silver Age stuff. At least I've read that - I don't know for sure and have heard nothings concrete. I'll grant you I'm no expert.

Angeloz

What I'm saying is he actuall took an outline of the events in S:TM and used the same order of events with changed details for the basic structure of SR.

1. Arriving from Krypton
2. In Smallville
3. Coming to Metropolis
4. At the Daily Planet
5. Saving Lois/ stopping an airplane from crashing
6. Perry exhorting his reporters to get on the Superman story
7. Romantic night time flight with Lois.

That's the first part of which film S:TM or SR? THe answer is both. The specific details are different, but the basic structure of scenes is the same.

Then at the end you have Lex launching projectiles, Lois in danger and Superman stopping an Earthquake just like in STM.

I haven't added LEx's parts to the numbered outline above, but that's mainly cause I don't remember where they fit into the order of events between the above mentioned parts.

But it goes similarly, he explains his plan, he steals Kryptonite, then he launches the device into the ocean and creates (another) earthquake.

 

[dark_b]

And he didn't turn back time in "Superman Returns".

Angeloz

dont give singer ideas

 

[Angeloz]

What I'm saying is he actuall took an outline of the events in S:TM and used the same order of events with changed details for the basic structure of SR.

1. Arriving from Krypton
2. In Smallville
3. Coming to Metropolis
4. At the Daily Planet
5. Saving Lois/ stopping an airplane from crashing
6. Perry exhorting his reporters to get on the Superman story
7. Romantic night time flight with Lois.

That's the first part of which film S:TM or SR? THe answer is both. The specific details are different, but the basic structure of scenes is the same.

Then at the end you have Lex launching projectiles, Lois in danger and Superman stopping an Earthquake just like in STM.

I haven't added LEx's parts to the numbered outline above, but that's mainly cause I don't remember where they fit into the order of events between the above mentioned parts.

But it goes similarly, he explains his plan, he steals Kryptonite, then he launches the device into the ocean and creates (another) earthquake.

You don't like the structure? 'Cos he usually comes from Krypton arrives in Smallville and ends up in Metropolis. That's true of most comic versions unless it's an imaginary story or elseworld tale. This was an (re-)introduction film so it makes sense to touch upon these things. Also as for rescues there are a limited types of rescues he could do that would be impressive. I find it ironic that you criticise the plane rescue as a lot of people that disliked the film liked that. I also thought it was spectacular. I'll grant you I'll always love the helicopter rescue and will probably think it the best introduction of Superman to the world as well as Lois (officially - not counting Clark). But that's because it's part of my childhood. Although as an adult it still makes me smile. The first time I saw it (again) when I watched the Donner Cut on video (it had been years since I'd watched) I got cramps in my cheeks from the smiling. But I also think the plane sequence was probably my second favourite rescue. I'll admit that was my initial response. It might change but it's too soon to tell (also something might surpass it - we'll see).

You forgot to complain that it was also mainly North America that was endangered again (although there were other countries and continents at risk too in theory unlike the 1978 film). But I guess when you get an American film it usually the U.S. that's threatened 'cos it's the centre of the universe. Like Britain is in British fiction (just stirring the pot 'cos I understand why).

By the way seriously unless you want him to do something small then Luthor needs to endanger a lot of people. Or do you want it to be a talking film rather than (here's true irony) an action or comic book film? 'Cos should Lex only endanger Lois and not any of the world? Including the United States (plus other countries)? I also thought he had the potential to be much more destructive (in 2006) than the 1978 film. It was largely California (in 1978) although they never really touched on the radiation poisoning which would affect the world (in theory). With the 2006 film it was the whole United States and most of North America plus as stated other parts of the world. I could also point out in real life criminals often have the same M.O. as the police call it. And do the same types of crimes. Too bad they made that true here for some I guess.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

You don't like the structure? 'Cos he usually comes from Krypton arrives in Smallville and ends up in Metropolis. That's true of most comic versions unless it's an imaginary story or elseworld tale.

I was simply pointing out that Singer lifted the structure of S:TM for SR and just another sign of being uncreative.

This was an (re-)introduction film so it makes sense to touch upon these things. Also as for rescues there are a limited types of rescues he could do that would be impressive. I find it ironic that you criticise the plane rescue as a lot of people that disliked the film liked that. I also thought it was spectacular.

I think the boat rescue and the heat vision blasting of NK off the ocean floor was more awe inspiring and visually interesting.

Why did the plane break up? Was that his first plane rescue? Grabbing it by a wing?

I also thougth the montage when he's saving Metropolis with the twisting and spinning and using his heat vision was cooler.

I'll grant you I'll always love the helicopter rescue and will probably think it the best introduction of Superman to the world as well as Lois (officially - not counting Clark). But that's because it's part of my childhood. Although as an adult it still makes me smile. The first time I saw it (again) when I watched the Donner Cut on video (it had been years since I'd watched) I got cramps in my cheeks from the smiling. But I also think the plane sequence was probably my second favourite rescue. I'll admit that was my initial response. It might change but it's too soon to tell (also something might surpass it - we'll see).

THat's a great scene!

You forgot to complain that it was also mainly North America that was endangered again (although there were other countries and continents at risk too in theory unlike the 1978 film). But I guess when you get an American film it usually the U.S. that's threatened 'cos it's the centre of the universe. Like Britain is in British fiction (just stirring the pot 'cos I understand why).

A global threat would be nice to see.

By the way seriously unless you want him to do something small then Luthor needs to endanger a lot of people. Or do you want it to be a talking film rather than (here's true irony) an action or comic book film? 'Cos should Lex only endanger Lois and not any of the world? Including the United States (plus other countries)? I also thought he had the potential to be much more destructive (in 2006) than the 1978 film. It was largely California (in 1978) although they never really touched on the radiation poisoning which would affect the world (in theory). With the 2006 film it was the whole United States and most of North America plus as stated other parts of the world. I could also point out in real life criminals often have the same M.O. as the police call it. And do the same types of crimes. Too bad they made that true here for some I guess.

Angeloz

I was just pointing out that whenever SInger had the chance he re-used elements from S:TM instead of trying to come up with a completely original film. Rather than starting from scratch he stole what he could from Donner, which was more than simply homage, it became nearly a re-make.

It wasn't like watching Never Say Never Again and going, "oh, that's Thunderball," but it is about as close as you can get w/o actually re-making the film.

 

[Angeloz]

I was simply pointing out that Singer lifted the structure of S:TM for SR and just another sign of being uncreative.

But it's also the structure to introduce the character in other formats like comics and television. Not to mention film.

I think the boat rescue and the heat vision blasting of NK off the ocean floor was more awe inspiring and visually interesting.

Why did the plane break up? Was that his first plane rescue? Grabbing it by a wing?

I also thougth the montage when he's saving Metropolis with the twisting and spinning and using his heat vision was cooler.

Those are great rescues too. I think how he is introduced is something special or when he first appears in something like a film. Or it can be (for me). Lester may get criticised at fan forums but I'll admit I love the scene where he saved Lois (and Paris) on the Eiffel Tower lift or elevator as you would call it. I love the way he stops it then says to Lois, "I believe this is your floor." Just the way he was so playful and flirty saying that line before getting serious.

As for why he broke the wing(s) it's basically because he wouldn't want to kill the people inside. Sure he could stop the plane. But that would kill the passengers and crew if he did it at once (the sudden stop and G forces). Also it might break all of the plane too. As it was spinning he had to try to counter that and also not kill the people inside. But the wings don't have infinite strength and can break. So it was the wings or the people. Which would you choose? Just lucky it was over the ocean or there'd be harder choices.

THat's a great scene!

Yeah I love the helicopter rescue and always will. Especially Lois's initial reaction (as well as the whole scene).

A global threat would be nice to see.

Yep I agree. I wonder if we'll ever see a universal threat. Though could there be something that wouldn't be lame? Which I don't think "Superman Returns" was just to be clear.

I was just pointing out that whenever SInger had the chance he re-used elements from S:TM instead of trying to come up with a completely original film. Rather than starting from scratch he stole what he could from Donner, which was more than simply homage, it became nearly a re-make.

It wasn't like watching Never Say Never Again and going, "oh, that's Thunderball," but it is about as close as you can get w/o actually re-making the film.

You know what I don't think I've ever seen those two Bond films close enough together to compare them. I've heard it's the same plot but I never remember enough about them to do it myself. I'm not sure who was in "Thunderball" was it Connery or Moore? I looked it up - it was Connery. I'll admit I liked the homages (in "Superman Returns") but can understand if others don't or thought it too much. And it's nice to hear you did like some things in it (the rescues).

Angeloz

 

[Nixon]

Some of the rescues in Superman Returns were some of the problems I had with the movie actually. I mean, we get the fantastic plane resure which was a nearly perfect bit of Superman filmmaking and I liked the bit where Superman gets in front of the machine gun to save those guards but alot of the stuff was just kind of alright. When Lex's island starts to tear apart Metropolis what we actually get seems a bit of a let down when compared to the destruction we were promised earilier in the film (the model city scene). I mean Superman saves one falling guy, catches a sign, and melts some glass. Beautifully shot but ultimately kind of underwhelming super-feats. The part with the Daily Planet globe was the only real "Oh Wow!" moment in that bit for me.

I think Singer did a great job with making his characters real and genuine. The emotions at play were subtle but I thought that they were true. The scene if the plane where Superman says good-bye to Lois before heading back to deal with the expanding crystal continent is a little heartbreaking. I think that for the sequel Singer just needs to keep the character moments but amp up the action. Instead of Superman catching one guy falling from a crane make it bunch of people falling and so on.

I think that's all Singer would need to do to transform, for me, his Superman from very good to great.

 

[hammy]

All the reasons for bringing Jason into the film degrade the character of Superman. He never should've existed in the first place. IMO, the challenge of the next Superman film will be correcting all the mistakes that were made in Superman Returns. A good first step in that direction would be killing off Jason White. Not only because the character sucks, but it would also have a good dramatic effect on the film.

I agree that he shouldn't have been there in the first place, but I don't like the idea of killing him off if he is Superman's son. I didn't like SR, and I don't want any more distractions in the next movie .. I just want good old Superman kick a$$ action. Having his son killed off will just continue a plot line I don't even want to be bothered with, in the first place.

I'm not sure what I want, now that we're stuck with him, but maybe some other surprising twist, like the discovery that Jason isn't even his son.

 

[Spiderine]

Killing him is not a good idea.

 

[hammy]

Not really. It seems that negativity and meanness almost rules the internet as a whole....and has definately set up a foothold here at the Hype. Now adays it seems to be the "cool thing" to act mean and hateful....especially with the aninimity the net provides.

It was just as bad or worse, when I first got here.

 

[The Joker_1000]

It's almost always been like that here. Why people hate a five year old I fail to understand. Probably because in reality TLL makes more money than them in real life.....

 

[wellsy]

^^ ROFLMAO!!!!!!

That just made my day.

 

[Angeloz]

TLL?

Angeloz

 

[wellsy]

Tristan Lake Leabu.

 

[Angeloz]

Thanks.

Couldn't people type Tristan?

Angeloz

 

[The Joker_1000]

TLL is shorter.

 

[Angeloz]

But confusing.

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

Thanks.

Couldn't people type Tristan?

Angeloz

Or "the Kid"?

 

[The Joker_1000]

Meh, TLL is only confusing if you're a person who is confused most of the time.

 

[Angeloz]

Or if you don't know what you meant by TLL. Tristan is a name; TLL is not.

Angeloz

 

[The Joker_1000]

They are his initials, only a fool wouldn't know that. I take it you're the fool.

Anyway, I'd love it if a series were made on Jason White, I'd definitely tune in every week.

 

[wellsy]

In fact, I might find it interesting myself.

However, all things considered, I'm not sure a live action superhero TV series has worked very well (I'd love to be proven wrong, though, and most certainly can be).

 

[The Joker_1000]

He wouldn't have to be a superhero, it could focus on Jason growing up in school & learning to use his powers.