Sequels The Official Jason White Thread

[nocomics]

I think they should build him up as the next superhero not as a sidekick imo..Though I think it will be a touchy subject to deal with and I'm not sure Singer is upto that challenge.
This is my questions on Jason in MOS:
1.Should they even acknowledge him in MOS?

2.Should they make him a sidekick?

3.Should he be made a villain?

4.Should Supes mentor him:
a.as the next to takeover his role
b.or mentor as johnathan did him? kindof a duel story just being a parent???

5.Should be already established as Supermans son. Making ppl aware of his potential.
a.Making him a troubled teenager in MOS,causing mayhem.
b. Making him a depressed,confused kid,who can't come to gripes with his powers until something happens to Superman(hint hint,supes v. doomsday with supes dieing and jason taking over )

 

[wellsy]

1 - Yes, most certainly. I'd find it a bit odd if he were simply written out entirely.

2 - Not in MoS. If MoS is successful, then perhaps. If not, the continuity ends anyway, so the questions are mooted.

3 - No, never. That smacks of poor imagination, not to mention a pretty giant cliche (the inverse of Vader and Luke). Being somewhat antagonistic towards Superman for something (eg Richard being killed, Jason having his powers, not being there for the first five years, etc) I could accept. But an outright villain is not on the cards for me.

4 - Well, I'm of the opinion that, since there are plenty who are split over SR and who won't be happy until a reboot comes along (particularly on what they feel is a mess about Jason), option A would be the best option since it allows them to end the continuity and reboot, and they can continue the story line in comics or on TV (animated or live action), thus making it an agreeable compromise. Whether that would happen, though, I've no idea (they do worship the almighty dollar).

5 - I'd generally go for a bit of both (though not in MoS - keep him as he was in SR, off to the side). They're complimentary positions, which allows them to be easily exploited in tandem.

Now, none of this should happen in MoS. About this, I am adamant, because MoS has to downplay the controversy that occured about SR in order for WB to greenlight it. If they've been paying attention to any of the boards, they'll know that there was plenty of controversy, and they'll want to play it safe, get some money in the kitty, and make sure Singer can deliver before they accept any changes like those proposed.

 

[GreenKToo]

Tough question. I was about to ask the same thing, then I saw this thread.

Perhaps the best solution is to jump ahead eight years and re-introduce Jason as a teenager. A series of brief flashbacks would show Lois breaking it off (gently) with "Cyclops" and falling back in love with our Man of Steel, including a series of rescues from villains such as Bizarro and Metallo that Superman could actually beat into the ground without killing. Parasite would make an interesting new threat to kick the movie off with, while revealing to the audience that Lex Luthor is still plotting against Superman. Superman defeats Parasite, while Lex watches via satellite in frustration.

We would see Jason attending Smallville High, with Ma Kent acting as his guardian while Lois is busy at the Planet and Clark/Superman doing what he does. Jason wants to show off his powers, but Ma gives him guidance and lets him know that its not the right time...not yet.

A new threat arrives on Earth...Brainiac. Long story short, Superman goes toe-to-toe with the alien and his army of technologically advanced robot army (the whole world - including Jason, watching from their TVs and Supes struggles to protect us). He puts up one hell of a fight, but eventually Brainiac manages to entrap the hero and continue to threaten the human race's existence. Jason looks Ma in the eyes and tells her "its time." before throwing on a Superman t-shirt along with his blue jeans and sneakers. "Superboy" flies to Metropolis to land a hand to his father in the ultimate battle to save the Earth.

I know my idea drifts a little from the source material, but given what we have so far, it works, imo, without having to kill the boy or act like he never happened. MOS is said to be a direct sequel so we might as well embrace that.

I like it. I would have him maybe half as strong as supes, and minus some other powers as well. He is half human after all.

 

[dar-El]

Due to his incompatible or flawed kryptonian/human genetics, make him seriously ill to the point of dying and then throw the little bastard into the phantom zone so we never see him again!

 

[Superfreak]

Due to his incompatible or flawed kryptonian/human genetics, make him seriously ill to the point of dying and then throw the little bastard into the phantom zone so we never see him again!

actually, this idea I like. But done in nice way.



my preference

I like how SR is slightly linked with the other movies. It was subtly done for the most part. I always thought it would be nice if Brainiac was a kryptonian device corrupted by Zod... and it's mission, among others, would be to carry out Zod's last 'command', forcing the heirs of Jor'el to kneel before Zod, who's 'gone'. Superman proving to difficult to subdue, Brainiac would move on down the family tree to Jason, with Luthor's help. Superman will be forced into a double jepardy, having to choose between Jason and something tremendously important. And Jason is left alone against Brainiac. Final battle occurs at Mt. Rushmore, where Jason will not yeild, and kneel before the mountain side carvings of Zod. He is forced to kneel. Superman arrives, battle ensues, the mountain is destroyed. Jason, that impetuous teen, already weakened by Brainiac tries to save superman... that's the end of him, but Jason saves the day. Battle goes CRAZY. Battles concludes. Melodrama, Lois, Melodrama, Lois, Melodrama. Superman takes Jason's body to the sun. They have a moment, before Jason dies, his powers dissolve, and he vaporizes in superman's arms... think the end of Blade II. Lay the seeds early that Jason wants to go to space etc. as a dying last wish. As well as lay seeds that Jason is becoming more and more difficult to control, but not so much control but rather that he is very eager. Richard is left angry over the double jepardy, and makes a deal with the 'devil', in this case Luthor... leading us into a third movie.

 

[Crimson Avenger]

It doesn't matter, the moives aren't sticking to the comics.

 

[supercrashmac]

Here is an idea I have been thinking of.

Using the cut Krypton sequences from Superman Returns, establish the presence of Brainiac. Let it come out that he was aware Superman was there and he actually made it back to Earth before Superman did or with him on his ship. He used his mind powers to alter the reality of Superman and those close to him. Jason could, in fact, be brainiac in disguise. He has altered the memories of Lois, Richard, Perry, Jimmy, etc to make them believe he was born to Lois shortly after Superman left Earth to investigate Krypton.
The Kryptonite-crystal continent that was thrown into space could be the birth of the Eradicator who would first side with Brainiac to turn Earth into New Krypton, then realize his mistake and aide Superman in stopping Brainiac.

 

[SatEL]

Tough question. I was about to ask the same thing, then I saw this thread.

Perhaps the best solution is to jump ahead eight years and re-introduce Jason as a teenager. A series of brief flashbacks would show Lois breaking it off (gently) with "Cyclops" and falling back in love with our Man of Steel, including a series of rescues from villains such as Bizarro and Metallo that Superman could actually beat into the ground without killing. Parasite would make an interesting new threat to kick the movie off with, while revealing to the audience that Lex Luthor is still plotting against Superman. Superman defeats Parasite, while Lex watches via satellite in frustration.

We would see Jason attending Smallville High, with Ma Kent acting as his guardian while Lois is busy at the Planet and Clark/Superman doing what he does. Jason wants to show off his powers, but Ma gives him guidance and lets him know that its not the right time...not yet.

A new threat arrives on Earth...Brainiac. Long story short, Superman goes toe-to-toe with the alien and his army of technologically advanced robot army (the whole world - including Jason, watching from their TVs and Supes struggles to protect us). He puts up one hell of a fight, but eventually Brainiac manages to entrap the hero and continue to threaten the human race's existence. Jason looks Ma in the eyes and tells her "its time." before throwing on a Superman t-shirt along with his blue jeans and sneakers. "Superboy" flies to Metropolis to land a hand to his father in the ultimate battle to save the Earth.

I know my idea drifts a little from the source material, but given what we have so far, it works, imo, without having to kill the boy or act like he never happened. MOS is said to be a direct sequel so we might as well embrace that.

No NO and no and if Singer was to pull such a thing you have my word I wouldnt even bother seeing this film ever. Thats a horrible idea, I think some of you are missing the fact that Jason was a big factor as to why most people didnt like SR. And to give him a central role would just pee people of it would be like a finger to the face. Like I have stated they are going to have to be creative to get rid of Jason but he has to go, the thing is how do they get rid of him? And that's why I am a big fan of a reboot.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Jason as a character was only brought in to SR to establish that Superman was not alone on earth as once he had been. He was in search of a more meaningfull life outside of being a hero, hense why he left for krypton but he ended up finding out that the connection he always wanted was on earth all along in the form of his son. there is no need for Jason's existance storywise anymore. I feel in the sequel he should just be another secondary character like Jimmy & Perry. No need to do anything special with him. Just have him interact with the story around him just like anyone else. I think with Richard all you have to do is have it that he & Lois found they weren't right for each other & went thier seperate ways, ppl grow apart all the time, why should they be any different?. Richard would be cool with it as his character in SR established a very selfless man, a good man. Richard would still be at the daily planet with Lois & Clark & have a good relationship with all & from there start MOS.




Steve

 

[batman44]

If they wanted to someone else in the movie to make Superman feel that he wasn't alone, I think Kara would've been appropriate.

 

[Delete]

I liked the idea that the kid, and really all of Superman Returns actually, is just a trick played on him by Mister Mxyzptlk

 

[dark_b]

No NO and no and if Singer was to pull such a thing you have my word I wouldnt even bother seeing this film ever. Thats a horrible idea, I think some of you are missing the fact that Jason was a big factor as to why most people didnt like SR. And to give him a central role would just pee people of it would be like a finger to the face. Like I have stated they are going to have to be creative to get rid of Jason but he has to go, the thing is how do they get rid of him? And that's why I am a big fan of a reboot.

fans.
i have yet to see a guy from the street who didnt like jason as supermans kid.

 

[Dark_Lord]

fans.
i have yet to see a guy from the street who didnt like jason as supermans kid.

Exactly. The GP didn't care that Superman had a kid.

 

[dark_b]

maybe not enouhg jokes,action,and bright enviorment.
but the GP doesnt care IMO if superman has a kid.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I disliked the kid thing but I don't think that was the biggest problem for the normal movie goer. The lack of adventure/action surely tops the list, followed by overly drabby tone.

 

[Dark Knight]

Use Jason as a side character but have him tied to the plot again. Perhaps Braniac would sense TWO life forms with Kryptonian DNA on Earth and not one...or maybe Luthor would tell him? Braniac would probably be able to figure that out on his own though....and try to kidnap the boy possibly to get his DNA to possibly create Doomsday? If he does...then thats where we would see the "angry god" type of Superman that the guy from Legendary Pictures was talking about?

 

[Dark Knight]

Here is an idea I have been thinking of.

The Kryptonite-crystal continent that was thrown into space could be the birth of the Eradicator who would first side with Brainiac to turn Earth into New Krypton, then realize his mistake and aide Superman in stopping Brainiac.

I can see something like this working well...but I don't know about the stuff before....

 

[Dark Knight]

Singer has never been cheese. I think he handled the whole kid storyline very maturely (and honestly, it could've turned out as FF-like cheese, but it didn't, as Singer probably wanted to keep the right tone for his movie) ... And I don't expect him to bring any cheese to Jason in the sequel, at all. Some light-heartedness? Sure.

I agree...I have seen SR three times and Singer won't add any cheese factor...he handled Jason very well in SR!

 

[Clark Kent]

I liked the idea that the kid, and really all of Superman Returns actually, is just a trick played on him by Mister Mxyzptlk

I think most people would probably view that as a cop-out.

 

[Showtime]

What if Toyman captured him and killed him, something similar happened in the comics. I personally don't like the kid being killed, but this happened with Lucy Lanes child, it was pretty creepy.

 

[Showtime]

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[mego joe]

Exactly. The GP didn't care that Superman had a kid.

In your experience, but in my experience it's been specifically stated, so I think it is a factor. Besides, it's stupid.

 

[wellsy]

I've seen that Showtime. Is that a young Joaquain Pheonix?

In your experience, but in my experience it's been specifically stated, so I think it is a factor. Besides, it's stupid.

I'm not going to get into an argument over Jason. However, I respect your opinion that his conception is rather odious to you.

That said, though, I've noticed a lot of people throw Jason in with the problems with Superman Returns. I fail to see how he was a problem. A side character, like Gordon or Fox in the Batman movies (more Fox, I'd say) is what he is. Is it just me, or does he just get lumped in as a visible change, and thus has all the hate channeled into him?

 

[mego joe]

I've seen that Showtime. Is that a young Joaquain Pheonix?


I'm not going to get into an argument over Jason. However, I respect your opinion that his conception is rather odious to you.

That said, though, I've noticed a lot of people throw Jason in with the problems with Superman Returns. I fail to see how he was a problem. A side character, like Gordon or Fox in the Batman movies (more Fox, I'd say) is what he is. Is it just me, or does he just get lumped in as a visible change, and thus has all the hate channeled into him?

I guess b/c there's nothing about the character that is valuable to Superman's character. His very reason for existence in the film belies a misunderstanding of SUperman's character- why he feels connected to Earth. Fox and GOrdon have their places, but Jason brings along all that 'baby daddy' baggage from SR that we don't need. And if the film isn't going to deal with it, why have him in it at all.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

That said, though, I've noticed a lot of people throw Jason in with the problems with Superman Returns. I fail to see how he was a problem. A side character, like Gordon or Fox in the Batman movies (more Fox, I'd say) is what he is. Is it just me, or does he just get lumped in as a visible change, and thus has all the hate channeled into him?

The kid had purpose and can still have major purpose. Superman has something in his life currently that he never had in the comics before. They can use that to great effect to tell stories that the comics could never tell. That's why the comics are greatly hindered. They have to keep everything timeless and static.

Nothing can progress naturally like it would in real time. It took how long for Lois and Superman to marry in the books? At this rate, I'll be filing for social security around the time they get around to popping one out in Action Comics. This stuff can and should be dealt with further in the sequel. It was an introduction that irritated some people and typically has to do with their morality issues with Superman which I've discussed around here ad nauseum with several of the more passionate locals.

The more and more I think about it, I love the kid and I love the direction because it forces them to deal with something other than a cut-and-dried style of superhero film and forces direct continuity with SR instead of SII, SIII, and SIV which didn't do jack to play off of each other but were interchangeable stories. The thing that pissed me off royally about the original films is that Superman II ended with the biggest wuss-out of all time. Super...KISS?!?