Sequels The Official Kevin Spacey As Lex Luthor Thread

[LexCorp]

Sounds good!

Sounds good? He knows nothing.

 

[ariellem]

Only one hundred and fifty dollars? Doesn't sound like much.

That because you're an Aussie & not American instead. Our money are different than your if you haven't pay attention.

Yes it's only comes in one form - green and white. Boring. Ours has different colours.

We used to have boring green-and-white money; now we have UGLY green-and-white money with touches of awful other colors.

 

[Angeloz]

We used to have boring green-and-white money; now we have UGLY green-and-white money with touches of awful other colors.

That's what you get for choosing green as a colour of money 'cos it rarely looks good with other colours. Although Australian money has the exception (it's light not dark though which helps).

Angeloz

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I don't think Lex should be muscle bound; however, a nice lean, toned lex luther would be nice. he should be more physically appealing. Lex is part politician, scientist, diabolical villain, playboy, lunatic. His big-screen incarnation seem to leave a lot to be desired.

 

[SuBe]

I don't think Lex should be muscle bound; however, a nice lean, toned lex luther would be nice. he should be more physically appealing. Lex is part politician, scientist, diabolical villain, playboy, lunatic. His big-screen incarnation seem to leave a lot to be desired.

Aggreed. Again it depends on which version you talk about, The Mad Scientist Lex: Let him be chubby. The Multibillionare Business Mogul: He should be lean and looks like he wants to take care of his body. He's a Smart man (level 12 intellect) he should know about good diet and would want to keep his body in good shape, so he could still be around when he finally gets rid of that pesky alien.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

It's an obviously Warner Bros is keeping secret from us. That's just my guess.

Wow. That one comment inadvertently sums up the entire presumed relationship between internet-based fans and the movie studios that court them.

Well done, sir.

 

[buggs0268]

It's an obviously Warner Bros is keeping secret from us. That's just my guess.

Uh huh. You just keep telling yourself that. Just don't hold your breath when it doesn't happen, or is a reboot.

 

[ariellem]

I don't think Lex should be muscle bound; however, a nice lean, toned lex luther would be nice. he should be more physically appealing. Lex is part politician, scientist, diabolical villain, playboy, lunatic. His big-screen incarnation seem to leave a lot to be desired.

He's rich; he's brilliant; he's evil; he has scientists and other resources at his beck and call. He can look however he wants.

Thus far, the movie interpretation seems to be going the "I'm rich, so I'm going to be extra unappealing-looking and you'll love me for my money and power" route.

It would be creepier to have him be a lean, toned, but extremely attractive and charismatic guy - easy to hate already, but the Luthor name and brain would make him but hard to ignore - kind of an evil Batman. Then again, I don't think he does much of his own fistfighting, so he wouldn't need to be in tip-top shape. Yul Brynner, where are you?

 

[manofsteel4life]

It's an obviously Warner Bros is keeping secret from us. That's just my guess.

i agree

 

[Super Kal]

I'm down for JL...

 

[nintendo nerd]

Uh huh. You just keep telling yourself that. Just don't hold your breath when it doesn't happen, or is a reboot.

Same way you keep telling yourself MOS won't happen. There have been negative and positive rumors about it. The truth is we don't know what's going on.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Same way you keep telling yourself MOS won't happen. There have been negative and positive rumors about it. The truth is we don't know what's going on.

Yep. Until WB officially confirm something, I ain't going to believe that MoS is dead. But I won't say it alive either for now. We really don't know what the real truth is, so it silly to keep telling ourself "It's dead" or "It will happend". I think MoS might happend, but I don't know. I'm not saying it 100% going to happend though. LOL.

 

[I Am The Knight]

2010, hopefully.

 

[Draedan]

Yep. Until WB officially confirm something, I ain't going to believe that MoS is dead. But I won't say it alive either for now. We really don't know what the real truth is, so it silly to keep telling ourself "It's dead" or "It will happend". I think MoS might happend, but I don't know. I'm not saying it 100% going to happend though. LOL.

Worldwide: $391,081,192
Production Budget: $270 million


Don't expect a sequel. If you factor in the advertising budget and all the funds that were lost trying to make this film over the course of 10 years, WB lost a boat load with SR. Simply put, it was a failure; a poor investment. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Bryan Singer. Dougherty and Harris were an extension of his control over the project. They have been fired; which effectively removes Singer from any kind of future sequel based on Superman Returns. If he can't say who is scripting than I am sure he won't be interested in coming back. WB moved their rook and made a fatal blow to his project.It's over. Done. Finished. Let's move on and hope they can get someone who actually respects ALL forms of the character and has the creative talent to make this character relevant for a new generation, and not the swan song for Donner's dated, obsolete film that we got. I don't want to discredit Donner's artistry because it worked for its time in history, but people just don't care about Superman like they used it. He has become dry. Smallville has really defined Superman for a new generation. I think it would be good move to build upon many of the basic elements from the series. Clark should have some kind of former relationship with Lois when he gets a job at the Daily Planet. I think the character of Chloe could even be brought into the series (with a drastic personality overhaul) I would lost some of the stuff with Jor-el and the Native Americans. But, I think a lot of the character relationships could be continued with different actors in a new setting.

Just an idear

 

[hammy]

That Kevin Spacey, he sure knows how to give one good interview.

 

[wellsy]

Worldwide: $391,081,192
Production Budget: $270 million

Don't expect a sequel. If you factor in the advertising budget and all the funds that were lost trying to make this film over the course of 10 years, WB lost a boat load with SR. Simply put, it was a failure; a poor investment. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Bryan Singer. Dougherty and Harris were an extension of his control over the project. They have been fired; which effectively removes Singer from any kind of future sequel based on Superman Returns. If he can't say who is scripting than I am sure he won't be interested in coming back. WB moved their rook and made a fatal blow to his project.It's over. Done. Finished. Let's move on and hope they can get someone who actually respects ALL forms of the character and has the creative talent to make this character relevant for a new generation, and not the swan song for Donner's dated, obsolete film that we got.

I was under the quite distinct impression that the failed restarts of the franchise (many (not all) of which may very well have done FAR worse than SR, lets face it) were included in the budget figure of $209 million (reported by Variety), and that the $270 million already included the advertising budget.

Not to mention that you are blaming Singer for something that you should, to be fair, also be blaming the WB suits for - they greenlit the movie knowing there was no action in it. If you say it was Singer's fault, then everyone must be at fault because they let it happen. Doing nothing about a problem is as bad as creating that problem in the first place, and so the WB execs must be considered as Singer's equals in the blame game.

And all of the incarnations of Superman? PLEASE tell me you're kidding. That is physically impossible - we won't get Kingdom Come and Birthright in the same movie; that's physically impossible. Let's not ask for too much here, OK?

 

[Nightwing1977]

Worldwide: $391,081,192
Production Budget: $270 million


Don't expect a sequel. If you factor in the advertising budget and all the funds that were lost trying to make this film over the course of 10 years, WB lost a boat load with SR. Simply put, it was a failure; a poor investment. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Bryan Singer. Dougherty and Harris were an extension of his control over the project. They have been fired; which effectively removes Singer from any kind of future sequel based on Superman Returns. If he can't say who is scripting than I am sure he won't be interested in coming back. WB moved their rook and made a fatal blow to his project.It's over. Done. Finished. Let's move on and hope they can get someone who actually respects ALL forms of the character and has the creative talent to make this character relevant for a new generation, and not the swan song for Donner's dated, obsolete film that we got. I don't want to discredit Donner's artistry because it worked for its time in history, but people just don't care about Superman like they used it. He has become dry. Smallville has really defined Superman for a new generation. I think it would be good move to build upon many of the basic elements from the series. Clark should have some kind of former relationship with Lois when he gets a job at the Daily Planet. I think the character of Chloe could even be brought into the series (with a drastic personality overhaul) I would lost some of the stuff with Jor-el and the Native Americans. But, I think a lot of the character relationships could be continued with different actors in a new setting.

Just an idear

Production budget wasn't really $270 millions as some think. Part of that was from the abandoned Superman Lives with Burton, McG, & Ratner. Beside, it still made a profit. It may not be a success like it should have (or at least from what WB was hoping), but it surely as hell isn't a failure. Some forget it made record at the IMAX, DVD sales, etc.

And Harris & Dougherty were not fired. They left on their own free will. Just because they left don't mean Singer will too. It too early to say that for now.

 

[Showtime]

When: Tuesday
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[buggs0268]

I was under the quite distinct impression that the failed restarts of the franchise (many (not all) of which may very well have done FAR worse than SR, lets face it) were included in the budget figure of $209 million (reported by Variety), and that the $270 million already included the advertising budget.

Not to mention that you are blaming Singer for something that you should, to be fair, also be blaming the WB suits for - they greenlit the movie knowing there was no action in it. If you say it was Singer's fault, then everyone must be at fault because they let it happen. Doing nothing about a problem is as bad as creating that problem in the first place, and so the WB execs must be considered as Singer's equals in the blame game.

And all of the incarnations of Superman? PLEASE tell me you're kidding. That is physically impossible - we won't get Kingdom Come and Birthright in the same movie; that's physically impossible. Let's not ask for too much here, OK?

Actually, it was reported through one of the main accountants at the WB that SR cost somewhere near 243 million, then with a return later from tax breaks from shooting in Australia, they got back 30 something mill, and the final toll for production was in the 209 to 213 mill area. But it is said that Warner's spent an additional 100 million to advertise the film, so the final budget (production and advertising) was around 313 mill. Movies have to make more money to make it's money back. John Carpenter's the thing cost 13 million to make. But in a magazine interview on his site with him, he says that film had to make 50 mill to make it's money back. Factor in that SR was meant to be a tentpole for the WB, and failed to do that. It was meant to make enough money to pay back all of the loss' that other WB films did, and it failed to do that.

Also, a lot of scripts that seem to have no action, through the directors vision, end up with a lot of action. Die Hard in script form is not that very action packed, but with McTierrnan's camera work and editing, and his direction of the actors, gives a very action packed movie. Also, Singer cut out the tidal waves that was supposed to be hitting Metropolis from NK rising in response to the big psunami that hit on Christmass Day in 2004. Thing is, McTiernan did not take out the bombing of Bonwit Teller after the O.K.City bombing. There was action in the script, but Singer took it out or didn't film it, or used to budget for it (the trains scene and bridge scene) to do that stupid bullet boucning off of the eye scene.

 

[M.O.Steel]

i see him more in shape along the lines of ryan reynolds or chris evans, not like TAS.

 

[EagleVision]

I wouldn't make him so old looking as K. Spacey in the face. I like more of a Billy Zane look. The TAS build is good enough but not a big deal. Just don't make him so old.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I stand by Arnold Vosloo should have been cast. I like Spacey and all but Vosloo it the closest to TAS possible in voice, stature, and obviously look.

 

[hammy]

I wouldn't make him so old looking as K. Spacey in the face. I like more of a Billy Zane look. The TAS build is good enough but not a big deal. Just don't make him so old.

I know. He's not that much older than Clark. I don't know why they make him so old. Even Hackman was old enough to be Reeve's dad.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

Luthor's build is irrelevant. That's not, nor has it ever been, the point of his existence. He's a THINKING villain. He could be an obese hog and it would matter just as much as if he was an olympic level athlete. His purpose revolves around his intellectual capacity and that alone is what makes him so dangerous. He's smarter than Batman, for pete's sake. He's the 20th/21st century acceleration of Moriarty.

 

[ariellem]

^it's true that his build isn't part of his role in life - but he is vain. "An obese hog," as you so delicately put it, would border on the grotesque - more like the Penguin. He's supposed to be a slick businessman, not sloppy. If anything, I see him more like Hannibal Lecter in the first movie - just not quite (not QUITE) as twisted. Hannibal was suave, debonair, brilliant, well-spoken, easy on the ears and eyes, a snazzy dresser - and rotten to the core. I see Luthor like that, just not as personally creepy. Hannibal took the taboo of cannibalism and refined its offensiveness to a high art; Luthor would find cannibalism far beneath him, I think. Luthor believes he's working for a greater good (we know it's his own twisted version, but he believes he's in the right at least some of the time); unless he's selling Soylent, cannibalism doesn't fit into that business model.