The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[Erzengel]

Yet you take the time to post responses to everyone else?

What you actually have to research it? You can't just speak from the top of your head?

I'm beginning to think it really isn't laziness.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have to agree with everyone's criticisms of the last 2 movies over the last couple of pages, and i still think DMC is an average movie, but with AWE, despite its flaws, i still THOROUGHLY enjoy it throughout everytime i watch it, and i have watched it about 5 times now. Jack Sparrow is possibly one of the most watchavle characters in the history of cinema, and he was great in the 3rd movie, so possibly thats why i enjoy it so much.

As for deepness, neither the Spidey movies or the Pirates movies are particularly deep. The 1st 2 X-Men movies are deeper than boht IMO, but then X3 came along.

But, i have said this from the start, the first POTC is still the best one.

 

[Rez]

Um, how old are you?

I've watched all these movies, I do not need to rewatch them again to gain a new persepective. That's why I was asking you to point out what you saw, so we can debate and discuss which is why we are on a messageboard btw.

The large number of narratives you state, imo are too much, because it leads to lazy storytelling and hurried finishes such as Norrington and the Kraken, 2 huge parts of DMC that become quick finishes in AWE.

Your character arcs? You mean like Calypso and Davy Jones in AWE? They tried to add a little depth to their story and it pretty much goes nowhere. Or the needless love triangle between Jack, Liz and Wil?

The plot points? Such as the Pirate Lords, who's only function is to release Calypso? They might as well of had Balbossa run around her 3 times and say that's how you release her, it would cut some time from the movie.

And the depth in this movie? C'mon. This is Bruckheimer, not necessarily known for his deep storytelling. That's like saying Michael Bay makes deep movies. No, Armageddon, Independence Day, Transformers, Pirates they make fun popcorn movies that you aren't suppose to think when you are watching it.

Quoted for truth!

I've said before, I love the direction DMC took, I thought it stepped it up on pretty much all levels.

But as apparent in this post, AWE really does drop every major plot point. All the complexity and the majority of the character that's introduced in the second film is essentially dropped in the third film.

Norrington went from a morally ambiguous character full of heartache, vengeance, and personal gain clashing with his former loyalties to both Elizabeth and his honor worthy of being in a film entitled "Pirates" to a moron that gets impaled for no reason with screentime that I can count on my fingers. Which brings me to...

Bootstrap Bill, the impaler. What the hell? I wasn't aware the members of Davey Jones crew turn into yelling zombies for no reason from one film to the next. Especially seeing as how none of the other crew members, despite their age, seemed to do this. A genuinely decent character played well in the second film again reduced to a moaning idiot only left in the film to stab other dropped characters (see above) and remind us of the plot device promise.

The love triangle between Jack, Will, and Elizabeth. I agree, it seems pretty damn useless now that the third film is over. But did it have to be?! I mean damn, I was excited for the tension over this one. But once again it's nearly completely dropped. Much like..

The Kraken! Tell me why. Why could he not have been saved to be in the middle of that big whirlpool at the end?! Granted, not the most important thing, but I'm pretty sure everyone alive expected to see this sucker used creatively again. Hell, I was half expecting to see Jack sitting in it's stomach, or taming it and riding it to the rescue or something. Any of which would have been far better than what we got.

I could go on, but I'm basically just repeating what's already been said, and I'd just do more of it. How a huge portion of the film involves gathering up all the Pirates and how the rest of the world and Davey jones has united for a big fight, only to have a pretty damn small fight at the end. Talk about dissappointing.

you dont know what to do? well listen to me, because I do.
You stop. Just stop worrying about me. And you move on with your life. You were right when you said that I had a choice... a choice about you. But you're wrong when you say that you don't have a choice. Because we always have a choice, Mal. Always. I knew damn well months and months ago that if I kept talking to you something like this could happen. But I did it anyway. I took that chance. And I wouldn't take it back for a second. So now you have a choice. If you're really this upset.. just because of me... I know there's other things.. and at least one really big other thing... I don't know what it is really, but I know it's there.. but if you meant what you said the other night... about that you'd lose the will to live and just shrivel up and die if something happened to me.. and I mean really meant it. then that to me says that theres something more than you give credit for between us. i shouldnt be doing this to you if there wasnt. Crap like this stuff with Adam... i guess what i mean is, Don't waste your life waiting for things to happen. You never know what you could miss while youre waiting. I made that mistake with Ash for years. There's only here. And now. We'll never be here again. You'll never be prettier than you are right this second. so don't waste it. if all youre worried about is that i'll just sulk in a corner for the rest of my life waiting for you, stop. because i won't wait forever. i will always love you, but i wont wait forever. so it comes down to a choice. and it is a choice, mal. you can sit. and you can wait. wait for adam, a change, another person, whatever. or you can take a chance. on me. and if you dont get your head out of your butt long enough to realize that im both pretty flippin cool AND right in front of your face, well, thats not my fault :-P
but whatever you do, i wont let you tear your life apart just because youre worried about how i might feel.
Ah well, at least we got a monkey shot out of a cannon. That, that never does get old.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I liked all 3 films for differant reasons. Pirates 1 was fun and will never be out done.

2 Was a fun ride and gave you laughs and a great middle movie triligy ending.

3 Gave us the Pirate Council and Kieth Richards and spot on performing from Johnny and Rush.
It was dark and a good story.

If i was writing the script Spare the Krakan and let Johnny kill it or have the Krakan kill his master Davy Jones.

The Calypso had a great build up but was lame. And yes Norringtons death was weak.

But over all i was enetertained with this trilogy and wanted more. Pirates 3 could have been better and i may like 2 more but only seen it once. Need 3 more showing before i decide if 2 or 3 was better.

 

[BatJeff7786]

I'm really too lazy to get examples for you - if you want proof go seek it out. This aint highschool...I'm not your teacher.

And no opinions dont need to be backed up.

If you want people to take you seriously they do. And it's clear that you're interested somewhat in what people have to say to you, otherwise you wouldn't be here.

 

[Lord Vader]

I liked all 3 films for differant reasons. Pirates 1 was fun and will never be out done.

2 Was a fun ride and gave you laughs and a great middle movie triligy ending.

3 Gave us the Pirate Council and Kieth Richards and spot on performing from Johnny and Rush.
It was dark and a good story.

If i was writing the script Spare the Krakan and let Johnny kill it or have the Krakan kill his master Davy Jones.

The Calypso had a great build up but was lame. And yes Norringtons death was weak.

But over all i was enetertained with this trilogy and wanted more. Pirates 3 could have been better and i may like 2 more but only seen it once. Need 3 more showing before i decide if 2 or 3 was better.

I agree. Pirates 3 was a good/fun/pirate movie. Every movie has some sort of flaw, wether its the writing, acting, or special effects. ILM was flawless with this movie as they were with Transformers. Spider-Man 3 on the other hand was the biggest dissapointment to me this summer. The effects sucked, not that they were all that great in the first two. Every scene w/ park maskless doing Spidy things look painfully bad. Not to mention how much was cramed in it. Rami should have made S3 3 hours long like Pirates. The end fight in it was ok at best. Venom had less screne time (in costume) then Norrington. Not to mention he dies by jumping back into the caged Venom after Parker throughs a bomb into it. And people want to complain about Norrington getting stabbed by a crew member of a monster ship because he was helping prisoners escape... I do not want to critisize or belittle any ones arguments. There is a reason why there are sayings such as 'to each his own.' Im just saying for some people Pirates wasnt the BIGGEST let down of the summer. Id rank it pretty high with Transformers, but thats me.

 

[Erzengel]

3 Gave us the Pirate Council and Kieth Richards and spot on performing from Johnny and Rush.
It was dark and a good story.

I'd see your point of the Council actually did something besides just stand there. The theme throughout was the Pirates stand as one against the EITC. In the end, they are simply used to release Calypso, which could have been done some other way which would have made the Pirate Lords of no use.

 

[Erzengel]

I agree. Pirates 3 was a good/fun/pirate movie. Every movie has some sort of flaw, wether its the writing, acting, or special effects. ILM was flawless with this movie as they were with Transformers. Spider-Man 3 on the other hand was the biggest dissapointment to me this summer. The effects sucked, not that they were all that great in the first two. Every scene w/ park maskless doing Spidy things look painfully bad. Not to mention how much was cramed in it. Rami should have made S3 3 hours long like Pirates. The end fight in it was ok at best. Venom had less screne time (in costume) then Norrington. Not to mention he dies by jumping back into the caged Venom after Parker throughs a bomb into it. And people want to complain about Norrington getting stabbed by a crew member of a monster ship because he was helping prisoners escape... I do not want to critisize or belittle any ones arguments. There is a reason why there are sayings such as 'to each his own.' Im just saying for some people Pirates wasnt the BIGGEST let down of the summer. Id rank it pretty high with Transformers, but thats me.

I wasn't impressed with any of the "3" movies this year besides Bourne. Everything else was disappointing, or mediocre at best.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I loved Curse of the Black Pearl and Dead Man's Chest, both of those were really fantastic IMO.

At World's End just dropped the ball. I'm not even in any hurry to pick the DVD up. But Captain Jack is still one of the best characters ever!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I wasn't impressed with any of the "3" movies this year besides Bourne. Everything else was disappointing, or mediocre at best.

Dude...Oceans baby I thought that was the most underrated summer movie personally fantastic

 

[Erzengel]

If I had to grade the Ocean movies, it's probably be 11 (9 1/2), 12 (6) and 13 (7). It was decent but still, not enough for me to want to buy it or watch it unless it's on cable.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

If I had to grade the Ocean movies, it's probably be 11 (9 1/2), 12 (6) and 13 (7). It was decent but still, not enough for me to want to buy it or watch it unless it's on cable.

I thought it was great cleaver but not like 12 was cleaver for cleaverness sake, it was cleaver with in the parameters set by the movie I love the cast and how they work with each other

 

[Erzengel]

Well the cast had undeniable chemistry, but like the first Pirates, neither movie could capture the magic of the first one.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Well the cast had undeniable chemistry, but like the first Pirates, neither movie could capture the magic of the first one.

Now, see there might be a better comparison than the Matrix for Pirates

1-movie magic
2-trying to do to much with the style the movies are made in (clearly there is more than this but i feel DMC, and 12's problems can be summed up in one sentence best like this)
3-able to go back to form and give the trilogy a big send off, albeit still unable to capture the magic of the original

 

[Victarion]

Maybe I'm in the minority on this--but I never felt any "magic" in the first pirates. Or really any of them. Could you define your term of "magic"?

---Morzan

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Maybe I'm in the minority on this--but I never felt any "magic" in the first pirates. Or really any of them. Could you define your term of "magic"?

---Morzan

Well you know if you didn't like the movie then there is probably nothing I could say that would make sense to you, when trying to describe magic, but I dunno I think it is about the most original blockbuster (with respect to like the Matrix) in the last ten years, a totally different feel than most action movies are able to capture an excellent mix of great action adventure and humor all doing so with out feeling to campy (which is my biggest gripe with the sequels). being able to be the most badass movie out there while maintaining excellent fun, giving us landmark characters and a movie that struck a chord with almost everyone...i dunno does that work?

If you don't like it though thats cool, it will be hard for you to agree with an opinionated adjective like that if you don't like the movie. It is the equivalent of someone telling me Citizen Kane is the best movie ever, or something like that, cause I don't think it even comes close, you could throw out all the reasons you want the fact that I can't watch half the movie with out wanting to take it out and burn it won't allow me to agree with it.

 

[Drizzle]

I just got a copy of the 2 disc DVD. That "Two Captains" deleted scene was brilliant! That should have been kept in the film. But there are two problems I have with the bonus disc.

1. There is very little of Keira Knightley in the documentaries.

2. What the hell was the purpose of creating a featurette on Sao Feng's map???

The extras are plentiful, but you do get a sense that they are planning a huge DVD box set for the future. For one thing, there's no commentaries. Also, the two disc DVD goes back in the "Disney Vault" on September 30, 2008.

One last weird thing. In the chapters booklet inside the DVD, there is a whole panel that answers questions about the film ("What does the future hold for Will and Elizabeth?" "How did the Prison Dog escape Pelegostos Island?"). It's interesting, but it also contains major spoilers. So if anyone buys the 2-disc DVD without having seen the movie first, don't open the booklet until after you watch the movie. Though I'm betting that if you buy the 2-disc version, odds are that you've seen the movie already.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

How did you buy it?! It's not out yet!!!

 

[Drizzle]

Local video store I frequent (not a chain store) put it out early. That's how I got "Transformers" and "Spider-Man 3" early and I'm guessing they'll get in "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" next week. They also had "Superbad", but I'm getting that one for Christmas.

 

[Darth Elektra]

DVD Sales Spin Down
4 December 2007 (StudioBriefing)
For the first year since DVDs came on the market a decade ago, studios and retailers are expected to report a sales decline in the format this year. The New York Post reported today (Tuesday) that sales for the year are expected to come in at around $23 billion, down from $24 billion last year. The deficit could be erased if a few of the blockbuster titles being released this month perform beyond expectations. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End is being released today (Tuesday) and is expected to become the year's biggest seller. Also due out this month are the latest Bourne and Harry Potter sequels and The Simpsons Movie. Analysts are not optimistic, pointing out that the DVD versions of the latest Spider-Man and Shrek movies failed to live up to expectations. Alan Gould, an analyst with Natixis Bleichroeder, was quoted by the Post as saying, "Blockbuster films are generating fewer DVD unit sales than in previous cycles. ... Where a big picture used to sell 20 million units, top movies now struggle to reach 10 million units."

Blu-ray Is High-Def Champ in Europe
29 November 2007 (StudioBriefing)
In Europe, Blu-ray appears to be winning the competition against HD DVD handily, the Blu-Ray Disc Association European Promotions Committee boasted on Wednesday. It cited figures from Media Control GfK International that show Blu-ray discs accounting for 73 percent of high-definition discs sold in Europe and HD DVD lagging behind with just 27 percent. The Blu-ray group said the best selling titles were 300, Spider-Man 3, and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449088/board/post/tt0449088

Also this from DigitalBits:
Okay, so we've been getting a lot of e-mails from readers today regarding the Pirates 3 Blu-ray and the PS3. Turns out the disc is working just fine for most people, which is good news indeed. It seems the problems are fairly hit or miss, and I suspect firmware updates will take care of it for most people. As I said yesterday, if you are having trouble, give Disney Customer Service a call (1-800-723-4763) and check with your player manufacturer to see if an update is available. I actually watched a bunch of the content on the disc last night, and it's pretty damn great. It's a gorgeous transfer, and the Inside the Maelstrom behind-the-scenes set tour really surprised me. It's a sort of 'hypertext' concept of navigating bonus content, where you get to drive how you explore the set and the production. I think you guys will really enjoy the disc.

 

[Sam Fisher]

The extras on the DVD are poor compared to the other movies' DVDs. Obviously they're planning some sort of SE.

 

[Reek]

i liked the extras alot in all 3.

 

[Darth Elektra]

Pirates Plunder the DVD Sales Charts
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment's Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End turned out the biggest sales performance of the three sequels that stormed the box office during the summer, says The Hollywood Reporter.

The third installment in the Disney franchise easily topped the Nielsen VideoScan First Alert DVD sales chart in its first week in stores, selling more than twice as many copies as Spider-Man 3 and significantly more DVDs than Shrek the Third in their respective first weeks.

First Alert data does not include Wal-Mart, which accounts for about 40% of the overall business and tends to skew higher toward kid-friendly titles.

Also turning in a strong first-week sales performance was Sony's comedy Superbad, which debuted at No. 2 on the sales chart.

On Home Media Magazine's rental chart for the week ending Dec. 9, Superbad came in at No. 1 with estimated rental earnings of $14 million. "At World's End" debuted at No. 2 with $9.5 million, while the previous week's top renter, Fox's Live Free or Die Hard, slipped to No. 3 with $8.4 million.

On the high-definition disc front, "At World's End" and Superbad chalked up a No. 1 and No. 2 finish on the Blu-ray Disc chart, while Warner/BBC's "Planet Earth" returned to the top spot on the HD DVD chart.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I finally saw this tonight, very disappointing, it starts out pretty well with the Shanghai sequence and then it's downhill when we meet the multiple Jack's, from here it's endless double crosses and plot threads just thrown in, Jack muttering and talking to himself and no real concentrated story or character work, it's over crowded and overlong.
It should have ended with the neat little scene of Will and Elizabeth on the beach and then him sailing off to do his ten years, but no, more pointless Sparrow follows and then the even more pointless "10 years later" stuff, after the credits.

The only saving grace is Keira Knightley's performance and the maelstrom battle, which while good is not in the top 5 best action sequences this year IMO.

Poor 5/10

 

[JTStarkiller]

I watched it for the second time last night, and it was a bit better than I thought when I saw it in theaters. If I still have one gripe though, it's the endless trading and double crosses you mentioned. Even after the second viewing, I still couldn't keep track of things.

Call me crazy, but I prefer 2 and 3 over Black Pearl. 9/10.