The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[The_Raganork]

[quote="V";15388779]You suggest some interesting points, but it still seems a bit sketchy to me.[/quote]

also remember...Joker HAS 68 million already. He burns HIS half. I'm not sure what "Half" is but; who's to say it's not the money he already took from the Bank in the opening heist.

while getting the Batman was probably the initial idea; when Lau goes to the cops and has all their money in one place; I'm assuming the mob began to panic and wanted their Cash back. Thats not an obscene thought, and i wouldn't need a scene explaining that they want their money back from Lau. They didn't want to give it to him in the first place and joker WARNED them about Lau

"I know a squealer when I see one and..."

And it happened that way...so I assume they wanted their money back from Lau and Joker FOUND it. They couldn't pay Joker they didn't have the money; Joker must have had Lau and made him talk and tell him where the money was; then Invited the Chechen and Maroni (who was smart enough not to go; either cause he knew Joker was a bout to betrayed them, felt that Joker really had gone too far...or both) to the warehouse.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

[quote="V";15388564]A couple of things, and I'm probably being dense...

How did Batman get into the interrogation room? There was a door behind Joker, but wouldn't someone have noticed him going through it or the sound[/quote]

He might have already been in the room hiding....and besides Batman is really sneeky.

[quote="V";15388564] - and why didn't Gordon try and get through it when Batman blocked off the other entrance with the chair? [/quote]

Anybody who hasnt been arrested might not know this but most jails feature rooms that have two entrre points.

One from the administration part of the jail house where most of the police offices are and the other from the prisoner lock up area.

Gordan wouldnt have been able to make it around to the other door with out going threw some hassle.

Many times you cant even get into that side of the building with out coming in threw a different entrance.

[quote="V";15388564]Second, why did the mob give Joker half of the money? It's suggested early on that he wants it for killing the Batman (even though he doesn't really want that) but he doesn't kill him, so why do the mob give it to him?[/quote]

The mob didnt give Joker the money.It was Joker who found out where it was from Lao who was hideing it from the mob.

The Joker then burned his half.

[quote="V";15388651]Actually, this is an interesting thing, because I was thinking "I'd double cross him" which is what Maroni actually does when he gives him up to Gordan. Joker just unknowingly counters it by threatening to kill Reese.[/quote]

He tried to and the Joker killed him for it.Did you forget that the guy pulled a gun on Joker and Joker then took it from him and told him to tell all his men that they were now working for Joker.

Joker then said.....lets see if your hungry dogs like the taste of their master....or something like that.

 

[The_Raganork]

He tried to and the Joker killed him for it.Did you forget that the guy pulled a gun on Joker and Joker then took it from him and told him to tell all his men that they were now working for Joker.

Joker then said.....lets see if your hungry dogs like the taste of their master....or something like that.

Not at all...

the Chechen didn't pull a gun out on Joker; Joker had a gun already and Joker says:

"A freak? How about we cut you into little pieces and feed you to your little pooches...hm? then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog really is"



Plus this has nothing to do with Maroni, who died in the car crash that Harvey created, which was the focus of the question

 

[Soundwave3k]

Okay, only one scene in the movie really bugs me. When Batman kicks the Joker off the building at the end and then shoots his grapple after him, how does it actually catch the Joker? I know this was used in the cartoons/comics all the time, with the rope just mysteriously wrapping around people, but Nolan kept away from that kind of "cartoonyness" up until now. Did it actually stab through the Joker, or did I miss something?

 

[CaptainClown]

Okay, only one scene in the movie really bugs me. When Batman kicks the Joker off the building at the end and then shoots his grapple after him, how does it actually catch the Joker? I know this was used in the cartoons/comics all the time, with the rope just mysteriously wrapping around people, but Nolan kept away from that kind of "cartoonyness" up until now. Did it actually stab through the Joker, or did I miss something?

Well I don't know how his grappling gun works as it is not addressed in the movie. However I don't like to think a bout stuff like that simply because then you will go crazy pointing out physically impossible things.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Okay, only one scene in the movie really bugs me. When Batman kicks the Joker off the building at the end and then shoots his grapple after him, how does it actually catch the Joker? I know this was used in the cartoons/comics all the time, with the rope just mysteriously wrapping around people, but Nolan kept away from that kind of "cartoonyness" up until now. Did it actually stab through the Joker, or did I miss something?

Actually, he didn't keep away from it, considering Batman auto-grappled the monorail and Gordon in Batman Begins too. And then there's that scene at the docks where he just goes zooming upward and we never see what he's attached to. I think it just stands out in TDK more because he didn't use the grapple as much (I think he only used it twice). But yeah, grappling Joker and automatically snagging him was unrealistic, but didn't bother me at all since it's pretty much a staple of the character that he's able to do that.

 

[Spidey-Sean]

Was the mystery of the Joker printing an obituary in the next day's paper ever answered? That's one that bugs me, but I suppose considering the mayor's comments about people "about to get their pockets lined" that he payed off a journalist.

 

[Anita18]

Was the mystery of the Joker printing an obituary in the next day's paper ever answered? That's one that bugs me, but I suppose considering the mayor's comments about people "about to get their pockets lined" that he payed off a journalist.

It's not made clear that he mass-printed tomorrow's paper or had inside information about what the next day's paper was going to be, just that he left one printout of a newspaper featuring an obituary of the still-living mayor with the following day's date at the crime scene. Doing one copy and making stuff up isn't as difficult as mass-printing a future newspaper with actual journalistic material, LOL.

 

[CaptainClown]

He actually made an obituary? I thought he just drew on a paper making the threat and probably sent it out to different news organizations.

 

[Anita18]

He actually made an obituary? I thought he just drew on a paper making the threat and probably sent it out to different news organizations.

No, James Gordon found it and the bit about the mayor is in the "Obituaries" section. There's a production photo of Gordon holding up the paper, but I'm too lazy to find it right now.

Not sure if he sent it out to different news organizations, but he definitely planted it for Gordon/Batman to find. Can't recall if they showed reporters holding up additional copies of the paper or what...

 

[CaptainClown]

No, James Gordon found it and the bit about the mayor is in the "Obituaries" section. There's a production photo of Gordon holding up the paper, but I'm too lazy to find it right now.

Not sure if he sent it out to different news organizations, but he definitely planted it for Gordon/Batman to find. Can't recall if they showed reporters holding up additional copies of the paper or what...

Couldn't he have simply pasted a picture of the mayor on there or tape it on there. He has done it before.

I only say he sent it out to different organizations because Mike Engle knew about it and I would think that the gcpd would want to hide that.

 

[Anita18]

Couldn't he have simply pasted a picture of the mayor on there or tape it on there. He has done it before.

I only say he sent it out to different organizations because Mike Engle knew about it and I would think that the gcpd would want to hide that.

No, it was definitely printed. I'll upload the darned photo myself.

Spoiler

Why would they have to hide it? Well, of course they wouldn't want people to panic, but all they would have to say is that there's been a threat against the mayor's life and then journalists would probably get their grubby hands on the truth anyway.

 

[CaptainClown]

No, it was definitely printed. I'll upload the darned photo myself.

Spoiler

Why would they have to hide it? Well, of course they wouldn't want people to panic, but all they would have to say is that there's been a threat against the mayor's life and then journalists would probably get their grubby hands on the truth anyway.

Then probably Joker bought out someone at the newspapers.

 

[nathaniel]

Okay, only one scene in the movie really bugs me. When Batman kicks the Joker off the building at the end and then shoots his grapple after him, how does it actually catch the Joker? I know this was used in the cartoons/comics all the time, with the rope just mysteriously wrapping around people, but Nolan kept away from that kind of "cartoonyness" up until now. Did it actually stab through the Joker, or did I miss something?

And how does he manage to secure a man of around 12 stones falling a breakneck speed with one hand?.

 

[chaseter]

^12 stones??? WTF???

 

[The Battousai]

And how does he manage to secure a man of around 12 stones falling a breakneck speed with one hand?.

 

[joke]

12 stones is about 170 pounds.

Anyway, the grappling hook catching Joker wasn't cartoonyness, but a badass scene that thankfully wasn't lumbered down by Nolan's quest for absolute realism. We don't have to meticulously analyze every scene, especially one that looked like something straight out of the comics. That's a good thing.

 

[nathaniel]

12 stones is about 170 pounds.

Anyway, the grappling hook catching Joker wasn't cartoonyness, but a badass scene that thankfully wasn't lumbered down by Nolan's quest for absolute realism. We don't have to meticulously analyze every scene, especially one that looked like something straight out of the comics. That's a good thing.

True in most cases i usually hate nit picking the smallest of details but when on one hand so much detail on a realistic level was put into waynes attack in hongkong then on the other to see a guy secure a 170 pound man at that velocity with one hand i have to complain about Nolans crazy missbalance between realism and fantasy in TDK.

 

[LadyVader]

Has it been explained what happened to Lau who was standing on the pile of money which Joker burned?

 

[CaptainClown]

Has it been explained what happened to Lau who was standing on the pile of money which Joker burned?

ya in the end scene he is revealed to be the riddler

 

[Shedhut]

Has it been explained what happened to Lau who was standing on the pile of money which Joker burned?

nope but x + y =

 

[CaptainClown]

aw you can even see him up there..poor lau.

 

[Shedhut]

which leads to the next plothole...: The missing screams of terror when the flames start to catch him or as well his dropping down from the pile which would seem plausible regarding the position he's in. but now that's nitpicking, right?

 

["V"]

He might have already been in the room hiding....and besides Batman is really sneeky.

But how did Gordon know he was in there? And why did he wait until after Gordon had been and gone before he started interrogating Joker? Surely if he was in there all along he'd have started to beat up Joker after the first cops left the room. I think Nolan just overlooked this for the dramatic entrance Batman makes, which is pretty awesome. Kind of like how Joker is standing on a street corner in make-up at the start and nobody turns a blind eye; if we knew it was Joker straight away then it would take away the surprise of his unmasking.

Anybody who hasnt been arrested might not know this but most jails feature rooms that have two entrre points.

One from the administration part of the jail house where most of the police offices are and the other from the prisoner lock up area.

Gordan wouldnt have been able to make it around to the other door with out going threw some hassle.

Many times you cant even get into that side of the building with out coming in threw a different entrance.

Yeah, the room visually shows us that there are two doors and thus two entrance points, and even if it took a while to get to you would have thought that Gordon would have sent somebody round the other side rather than just standing there and letting Batman thrash Joker.

The mob didnt give Joker the money.It was Joker who found out where it was from Lao who was hideing it from the mob.

The Joker then burned his half.

I know that Joker found the money and told the mob - that's why he got Lau, who was one of the only people who knew where it was - but the Chechen asks him what he will do with his share and Joker tells him "See, I'm a man of simple tastes..." But it's never clearly stated why Chechen was going to let him take half of it, because he never killed Batman, which is what this 'deal' between Joker and the mob originally alluded to.

He tried to and the Joker killed him for it.Did you forget that the guy pulled a gun on Joker and Joker then took it from him and told him to tell all his men that they were now working for Joker.

Maroni had nothing to do with Cechen; Maroni did double cross the Joker though by giving up the money (and Joker's) location to Gordon. The Cechen seems happy enough to let Joker have half until he realises that he's burning it all!

Joker then said.....lets see if your hungry dogs like the taste of their master....or something like that.

This bit really doesn't feel resolved to me. Is there anything in the script?

 

["V"]

which leads to the next plothole...: The missing screams of terror when the flames start to catch him or as well his dropping down from the pile which would seem plausible regarding the position he's in. but now that's nitpicking, right?

I think he might have been gagged hence no scream?

I can't wait until we see this on Bluray, then we'll know for sure!