The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[Motown Marvel]

You dont have to...

I wasnt trying to put it up for debate.

ha, i know. i wasnt looking at it as a debate but i think you're right on the cell phone MHz's. i was more concerned with is that adequete MHz for sonar imaging like in the film.

You might want to read it more closely.

The only thing that means is that "Hacking" every cell phone in the city is not possible......not that the sonar trick itself wouldnt work.

indeed, you're right. but i was also given the impression from the article that the experiment didnt produce actual sonar imaging, yet alone a live 3-d feed. but rather, just tracked the signals.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think theres no point of arguing about this, yea its pretty hard to imagen the sonar technology could exist. but bruce wayne is like one of the wealthiest and most powerful men on the planet in this universe so if someone could do it its him.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

ha, i know. i wasnt looking at it as a debate but i think you're right on the cell phone MHz's. i was more concerned with is that adequete MHz for sonar imaging like in the film..

That one I cant answer with out some homework.

The other stuff I pretty much knew from my days at AT&T.

indeed, you're right. but i was also given the impression from the article that the experiment didnt produce actual sonar imaging, yet alone a live 3-d feed. but rather, just tracked the signals.

That kind of stuff improves so fast these days.

What we can do with sonar today we couldnt do 6 years ago.

You really cant judge the possibilities of the tech on its current failure to produce a favorable result.

For the most part you have been arguing the impossibility of such technology like the "Bat sonar" .

But what really seems to be impossible is the ability to "hack" every cell phone in a chosen area not the "Sonar tech" itself.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i was lead to believe that the technology we have right now in the present is a good few years behind the technology all the companys have at the moment. like they are holding back a alot of things.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

i was lead to believe that the technology we have right now in the present is a good few years behind the technology all the companys have at the moment. like they are holding back a alot of things.

So the Conspiracy Theory rears its ugly head

Who really knows if thats true or not.I'm sure there's some tech that's ether in use by the Government or even by the Companies for use in spying on competitors but I doubt it would be anything that could really be of any use to the everyday "Joe Shome" like you or me.

It wouldnt really be very profitable for them to hold back on somethig that would make them money.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea but i mean things like the latest HD televisions we have right now that they are selling. but i thought that these companies like sony and panasonic already had better and more advanced versions but are holding them back so they can get all there money for the ones we have at present? who knows!?! all us regular mortals probly wont ever know!

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yea but i mean things like the latest HD televisions we have right now that they are selling. but i thought that these companies like sony and panasonic already had better and more advanced versions but are holding them back so they can get all there money for the ones we have at present? who knows!?! all us regular mortals probly wont ever know!

Well thats marketing strategy.

But for the most part stuff like that isint that far ahead.

1 or 2 years at most.

And its not just to sell the older models threw.

They also do that to insure the Newer models are going to outlast the warenties....[cant spell for ****]

 

[Shedhut]

Sadly TDK couldn't satisfy me on all levels and seemed to recur dramaturgic(?) faults that irked me in Begins already and seemed out of place.

(I guess these points came up before but i dont feel like reading a NOVEL right now^^)

- Joker's Party Crashing

The scene was left unfinished. Bats takes the shortcut to the streets rescuing Rachel and it is over although J and his goons are still in the Penthouse. Unless they took the Heli to ecsape (yeah right) there was no way to avoid a second encounter.
The only point I could think of is that Bruce tried to minimise escalation by leaving the scene immediatly but: not mentioned = not happened.

...also they would have both(B+R) died from that fall. Why didn't they show bats heroically rescuing her ala Spiderman instead of them hitting a car at 100mph and Rachel smiling like "aw, that was close."


- The Chase

What about that "we're forced to take the tunnel"-crap? As if the firetruck blocking the road is not enough of a trap-indicator, they just could have taken the road on the left around the tunnel-entrance


- The Rachel/Harvey-Game

it was of course one of the scenes I loved most, especially the part that Bats acctually wanted to save Rachel (sweetness). But who was the "game" designed for? When J planned this thing he must've still thought Dent was indeed Batman

I wish they included some flashbacks in the film that'd show how Joker plays the strings in his plans (I mean the whole ferrie-Plot - which I almost loved as much as I'd have loved to see both boats explode in front of the fighting couple - seemed quite generic and implausible to be planned), how he made his "army" of goons and crooked cops ect. work the way he wanted them to.

 

[krisl]

Sadly TDK couldn't satisfy me on all levels and seemed to recur dramaturgic(?) faults that irked me in Begins already and seemed out of place.

(I guess these points came up before but i dont feel like reading a NOVEL right now^^)

- Joker's Party Crashing

The scene was left unfinished. Bats takes the shortcut to the streets rescuing Rachel and it is over although J and his goons are still in the Penthouse. Unless they took the Heli to ecsape (yeah right) there was no way to avoid a second encounter.
The only point I could think of is that Bruce tried to minimise escalation by leaving the scene immediatly but: not mentioned = not happened.

...also they would have both(B+R) died from that fall. Why didn't they show bats heroically rescuing her ala Spiderman instead of them hitting a car at 100mph and Rachel smiling like "aw, that was close."


- The Chase

What about that "we're forced to take the tunnel"-crap? As if the firetruck blocking the road is not enough of a trap-indicator, they just could have taken the road on the left around the tunnel-entrance


- The Rachel/Harvey-Game

it was of course one of the scenes I loved most, especially the part that Bats acctually wanted to save Rachel (sweetness). But who was the "game" designed for? When J planned this thing he must've still thought Dent was indeed Batman

I wish they included some flashbacks in the film that'd show how Joker plays the strings in his plans (I mean the whole ferrie-Plot - which I almost loved as much as I'd have loved to see both boats explode in front of the fighting couple - seemed quite generic and implausible to be planned), how he made his "army" of goons and crooked cops ect. work the way he wanted them to.

This posted in another thread from script:

INT. TAXI -- CONTINUOUS

The DRIVER SCREAMS as Batman and Rachel hit the roof-roll down the windshield-onto the pavement. Alive.

INT. CAR -- CONTINUOUS

The Joker looks back as his car SPEEDS away. He's breathing hard, EXHILARATED. He touches the blood running down his sweaty white makeup. SMACKS the back of the driver's seat-

DRIVER
What do we do about dent?

THE JOKER
I'm a man of my word.

Would sort this problem out no end, why it wasn't included is beyond me as it's such a glaring error.

 

[jackjack924]

- The Chase

What about that "we're forced to take the tunnel"-crap? As if the firetruck blocking the road is not enough of a trap-indicator, they just could have taken the road on the left around the tunnel-entrance

- The Rachel/Harvey-Game

it was of course one of the scenes I loved most, especially the part that Bats acctually wanted to save Rachel (sweetness). But who was the "game" designed for? When J planned this thing he must've still thought Dent was indeed Batman

I wish they included some flashbacks in the film that'd show how Joker plays the strings in his plans (I mean the whole ferrie-Plot - which I almost loved as much as I'd have loved to see both boats explode in front of the fighting couple - seemed quite generic and implausible to be planned), how he made his "army" of goons and crooked cops ect. work the way he wanted them to.

for the chase, I think they would have been driving on the wrong side of the road. They had to make a quick decision and they decided to take the tunnel.

For the game, I had problems with this as well because the shooting script indicated that the Joker thought Dent was Batman up until Batman actually showed up on the batpod. But these lines were taken out of the final product so hopefully the Nolans noticed this problem and fixed it since the only indication the Joker made about Dent being Batman was in the interrogation scene, and who knows how long that lasted.

My thought that the game was indeed for Batman. The Joker said that "killing is making a choice" and he wanted Batman to make a choice and therefore Batman would "kill" one of them.

 

[Shedhut]

This posted in another thread from script:

INT. TAXI -- CONTINUOUS

The DRIVER SCREAMS as Batman and Rachel hit the roof-roll down the windshield-onto the pavement. Alive.

INT. CAR -- CONTINUOUS

The Joker looks back as his car SPEEDS away. He's breathing hard, EXHILARATED. He touches the blood running down his sweaty white makeup. SMACKS the back of the driver's seat-

DRIVER
What do we do about dent?

THE JOKER
I'm a man of my word.

Would sort this problem out no end, why it wasn't included is beyond me as it's such a glaring error.

that scene would have made at least more sense as what we got. But there's still the time-problem: After Bats hit the ground it would've taken the joker at least 5-10min to get down to the streets. Enough time for batman getting the dust off of him and wait at the buildings exit to put an end to the maniacs scheme.

 

[Paradyme]

that scene would have made at least more sense as what we got. But there's still the time-problem: After Bats hit the ground it would've taken the joker at least 5-10min to get down to the streets. Enough time for batman getting the dust off of him and wait at the buildings exit to put an end to the maniacs scheme.

If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Batman stabbed in the stomache by Joker's knife in his shoe?

The only thing I can think of is that he was to injured to do anything else.

Something else I'm sure some of you have thought of is how the Joker knows Batmans identity. I think it's because the goon Bruce knocked out either was awoken by another goon or the Joker himself and wanted to know what happened to him. The goon told him that some fancy guy that looked like Bruce Wayne knocked him out.

Or maybe I'm just overshooting/analyzing the whole thing.

 

[jackjack924]

Na I don't think he does know that Bruce is Batman. I think by the end he doesn't really want to know. It would take away too much of the fun the Joker has with Batman.

 

[JL Unlimited]

I think a few posters here need to take a little trip to:

 

[Shedhut]

I think a few posters here need to take a little trip to:

i dont want to use my imagination to make up for someone elses sloppy directing-job

 

[krisl]

I don't know about sloppy but seriously, how a talented guy like Nolan can let some of these slip is very strange. I mean leaving Joker in the penthouse....the scene literally felt unfinished.

 

[Shedhut]

I don't know about sloppy but seriously, how a talented guy like Nolan can let some of these slip is very strange. I mean leaving Joker in the penthouse....the scene literally felt unfinished.

thx krisl. And well it is not like Nolan was the only guy who should've caught that and I'm sure many people involved were aware of the mistakes but it was to late to change something.
Sorry but i'm just a freak for credible dramaturgy

 

[krisl]

I thought it so noticeable in the cinema but wondered if it was just me. Then came back on here having seen it to find a lot of other people thinking the same.

 

[Anita18]

For the game, I had problems with this as well because the shooting script indicated that the Joker thought Dent was Batman up until Batman actually showed up on the batpod. But these lines were taken out of the final product so hopefully the Nolans noticed this problem and fixed it since the only indication the Joker made about Dent being Batman was in the interrogation scene, and who knows how long that lasted.

My thought that the game was indeed for Batman. The Joker said that "killing is making a choice" and he wanted Batman to make a choice and therefore Batman would "kill" one of them.

It does make sense that the Joker would think Dent is Batman until at least the Tumbler shows up. (Joker does go, "Hm.")

I don't think it's very important when the Joker figured it out, but it would be incredibly stupid of him to not have by the time he was captured.

i dont want to use my imagination to make up for someone elses sloppy directing-job

Well, um, what else do you think the Joker would have done if he wasn't able to accomplish what he set out to do? Let Harvey live?

The scene of them leaving the penthouse had 2 lines of dialogue, lines that Nolan deemed weren't necessary. And they weren't, because the audience assumes that the Joker will get his man eventually.

damn I wanted this one..You win again Anita..

Actually, what was amusing was that after the film, my plot-nazi writer friend only complained about the scene with the Batpod and the kids in the car. "How expensive was that shot, and it was only 4 seconds and didn't help the story!"

 

[JL Unlimited]

Don't you guys think you're nitpicking just a bit? It's only a minority of people who really felt that the scene felt unfinished.

Seriously, I can make arguments about other scenes and make it seem like it was important to the story. Observe:

I can't believe how sloppy Nolan was with The Dark Knight. I mean seriously, he left all these plot holes. Here are all the ones I counted:

1.) The school bus used in the bank robbery. Where did the Joker find a school bus?!?!? And why didn't anyone ever question if one was missing. I can't believe Nolan left this out. This is so beneath him. He should have had a scene where the Joker stole the bus and another scene that had witnesses calling in that it was stolen.

2.) Speaking of the bank robbery, what happened to the bank manager? It's hard to believe that Nolan would leave him half alive at the end of the scene. I want to see him actually close his eyes and slowly do the death exhale and head turn that's in every movie. I can't believe Nolan didn't follow the norm.

3.) Whatever happened to Gambol's men?? All Nolan showed us is that the Joker wanted them to have tryouts. Who won??!! I can't believe that he left this out. And oh man, I just caught a continuity error because I didn't see any one of them again.

4.) What happened to Lau?? All I know is that he was sitting on a pile of burning money. I can't believe Nolan was so lazy that he couldn't add in Lau screaming or showing him on fire. I mean, C'mon!! They showed Dent on fire. Why didn't they show Lau?

See, I can make gripes too regarding scenes that require me to use my imagination and make it sound like the exclusion of these scenes make Nolan seem sloppy. I understand if you wanted Nolan to add in certain scenes, like the Joker escaping the penthouse, but don't make it sound like it's a mistake when it was clearly an editing decision. Calling Nolan sloppy over this one little scene is worse. Use your imagination. You'll be a lot happier.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

Sadly TDK couldn't satisfy me on all levels and seemed to recur dramaturgic(?) faults that irked me in Begins already and seemed out of place.

(I guess these points came up before but i dont feel like reading a NOVEL right now^^)

- Joker's Party Crashing

The scene was left unfinished. Bats takes the shortcut to the streets rescuing Rachel and it is over although J and his goons are still in the Penthouse. Unless they took the Heli to ecsape (yeah right) there was no way to avoid a second encounter.
The only point I could think of is that Bruce tried to minimise escalation by leaving the scene immediatly but: not mentioned = not happened.

...also they would have both(B+R) died from that fall. Why didn't they show bats heroically rescuing her ala Spiderman instead of them hitting a car at 100mph and Rachel smiling like "aw, that was close."


- The Chase

What about that "we're forced to take the tunnel"-crap? As if the firetruck blocking the road is not enough of a trap-indicator, they just could have taken the road on the left around the tunnel-entrance


- The Rachel/Harvey-Game

it was of course one of the scenes I loved most, especially the part that Bats acctually wanted to save Rachel (sweetness). But who was the "game" designed for? When J planned this thing he must've still thought Dent was indeed Batman

I wish they included some flashbacks in the film that'd show how Joker plays the strings in his plans (I mean the whole ferrie-Plot - which I almost loved as much as I'd have loved to see both boats explode in front of the fighting couple - seemed quite generic and implausible to be planned), how he made his "army" of goons and crooked cops ect. work the way he wanted them to.

Party scene there was a cut showing Joker escaping but since it wasnt important thats why its cut I mean is it so hard to say oh i guess joker just high tailed out of there before batman got back up

Now batman used his glider to break there fall I mean after all it was designed for parashooting

Joker said it right off the bat " for a while there i really did think you where Harvey the way you jumped right after her like that" he was planning on having rachel captured either way then taking in dent as well was a small change of plan that worked out for the best.

and yes I so wish Heath was still around and we could show him planing every little thing but oh well, in one of the last viral marketing the mentioned that joker stole enough ammount of nitrogen i think it was to blow up half the city. So he just planted them out little by little setting up his master plan I mean the boat wasnt that hard he used fear to trick the citizens and cops to fill up the feiries.

 

[Zero_Vault]

You see, that's the problem with this whole movie.

Characters don't behave like what they would do in real life.

I would have jumped the **** off and swam. I'd organize it so everyone jumps off and swims, leaving the boat to blow. How stupid can you ****ing get, you numbskulls?

I would be worried that the Joker, or whoever, had rigged it so you actually blew up your own boat not the other as a cruel punishment. I thought thats what was going to happen. But, nooo...

F*** Nolan. Always for the cop-out.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

You see, that's the problem with this whole movie.

Characters don't behave like what they would do in real life.

I would have jumped the **** off and swam. I'd organize it so everyone jumps off and swims, leaving the boat to blow. How stupid can you ****ing get, you numbskulls?

I would be worried that the Joker, or whoever, had rigged it so you actually blew up your own boat not the other as a cruel punishment. I thought thats what was going to happen. But, nooo...

F*** Nolan. Always for the cop-out.

Joker clearly said if you jump the ship blows up and towards that we will never know since no one pulled the trigger did they

 

[Zero_Vault]

Does that mean no one will jump?

Look at the World Trade Center on 9-11. Desperate people will do desperate things.

And, where the f*** are the coast guards? They would've notice something wrong in less than ten minutes.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Joker clearly said if you jump the ship blows up and towards that we will never know since no one pulled the trigger did they

A boat full of hardened criminals?

Everyone decides to stay calm. Really.You actually buy that. That's like a prison riot with 5 people.

Maybe, since Nolan's British, criminals in England are more well-behaved.