The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[Hole Shot]

Based on some of the questions being asked in this thread I've come to the conclusion that this movie would have to be six weeks long and come with a companion coloring book to please some of these people. Thank god you are a minority.

 

[Fitzwilliam]

don't know if i'd call it a plot hole, pre-say

but, I was thinking about the jail scenes with the joker, in real life you think they'd (not that anyone would've wanted to get that close to his face) but, wash the make up off (especially, if they were trying to ID him, or if they took mug shots)
also, they probably would've taken his shoes, belt, tie... as well


not that I am complaining

It's per se.

Also...

If Hamlet killed Claudius right at the start instead of procrastinating, there would have been no play.

 

[Hole Shot]

don't know if i'd call it a plot hole, pre-say

but, I was thinking about the jail scenes with the joker, in real life you think they'd (not that anyone would've wanted to get that close to his face) but, wash the make up off (especially, if they were trying to ID him, or if they took mug shots)
also, they probably would've taken his shoes, belt, tie... as well


not that I am complaining

They only take your belt, watch, wallet and anything in your pockets. All your clothing, shoes included stay.

We don't know if they booked him or not yet, they just had him in a holding cell.

 

[Fitzwilliam]

Maybe they tried to take the white make up off but discovered that it was his rael skin colour?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Not at all...

the Chechen didn't pull a gun out on Joker; Joker had a gun already and Joker says:

I know Joker had a gun I just remember the other guy reaching for his belt area as if to pull a gun.

"A freak? How about we cut you into little pieces and feed you to your little pooches...hm? then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog really is"

I didnt say I was making a quote.But I wasnt to far off in the intention of the words spoken.

Plus this has nothing to do with Maroni, who died in the car crash that Harvey created, which was the focus of the question

My apologies......I misunderstood.I thought the question pertained to how Joker was paid.

I hadn't slept in 30 hours when I wrote that post.3

 

[The_Raganork]

I know Joker had a gun I just remember the other guy reaching for his belt area as if to pull a gun.


I didnt say I was making a quote.But I wasnt to far off in the intention of the words spoken.




My apologies......I misunderstood.I thought the question pertained to how Joker was paid.

I hadn't slept in 30 hours when I wrote that post.3

Yeah I get you; 3 A.M. is shuttin down time.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yeah I get you; 3 A.M. is shuttin down time.

Hehhe.

[quote="V";15391665]
But how did Gordon know he was in there?.[/quote]

They arranged it before hand.

Its somethig they do all the time in the comics.

[quote="V";15391665]And why did he wait until after Gordon had been and gone before he started interrogating Joker? .[/quote]

Because technically its illegal for Gordan to be working with a vigilantly like Batman.....even more illegal to have that vigilantly in a interrogating room with a suspect.

And even more so to have Batman partake and take over the questioning.

[quote="V";15391665]
Surely if he was in there all along he'd have started to beat up Joker after the first cops left the room.[/quote]

This is not the comics wher Batman know's how sick the Joker is.....Nolans Batman has only been Batman for a year and hasnt had the experance with a sick mind like the Jokers yet.

He was hoping that maybe he could scare the Joker into answering the questions first.

[quote="V";15391665]Yeah, the room visually shows us that there are two doors and thus two entrance points, and even if it took a while to get to you would have thought that Gordon would have sent somebody round the other side rather than just standing there and letting Batman thrash Joker.[/quote]

I've worked in Psych Hospitals as a security guard with rooms with that kind of set up.

Sometimes it could take up to 10 minutes to send someone around to the other door.

The real question was why there wasnt a team on the other side of that door.

In the hospitals that I worked at with the same room set up a team would be in place of both entry points to the therapy room.

[quote="V";15391665]I know that Joker found the money and told the mob - that's why he got Lau, who was one of the only people who knew where it was - but the Chechen asks him what he will do with his share and Joker tells him "See, I'm a man of simple tastes..." But it's never clearly stated why Chechen was going to let him take half of it, because he never killed Batman, which is what this 'deal' between Joker and the mob originally alluded to.[/quote]

Like I said it was Joker who found all the money.Joker told the mod where to come and get the rest of the money while Joker took his half when he found it all.

Chechen was not in a position to stop the Joker from taking his half.

I know that scene gave a lot of people that the Mod told Joker to come and get his half but I dont think thats how it was ment to be seen.

I took it as Joker found out where the money was....he then called the mob and told them to meet him while he separated his half.

The mod then arrived and Joker started to burn his half.

[quote="V";15391665]Maroni had nothing to do with Cechen; Maroni did double cross the Joker though by giving up the money (and Joker's) location to Gordon.[/quote]

I got the question a bit mixed up before.

I didnt sleep in a while.30 hours

[quote="V";15391665] The Cechen seems happy enough to let Joker have half until he realises that he's burning it all![/quote]

I think he was just happy to have the money back in the first place.

 

[Superman4ever]

Based on some of the questions being asked in this thread I've come to the conclusion that this movie would have to be six weeks long and come with a companion coloring book to please some of these people. Thank god you are a minority.

 

[Spidey-Sean]

Well I'd say that the party scene with the Joker must of had an ending cut from it. There's no reason to defend the way the scene ended, it was a dangling plot point.

I mean I can imagine Joker leaving, but they way it ended in theaters we had Joker, in Bruce's Penthouse, amongst many guests, including Alfred! (gasp!). There's got to be a small scene that was cut and I hope it's in a director's/extended cut for the dvds.

 

[Spidey-Sean]

I only say he sent it out to different organizations because Mike Engle knew about it and I would think that the gcpd would want to hide that.

I think he actually got a whole article printed in the newspaper because Engle, at the Loeb funeral, mentions that the Joker made this threat in that day's paper as he holds it up to the camera, suggesting it was a mass print. I think the only explanation is he paid off a journalist, and they would have to sneak it past the editor or something.

 

[Hole Shot]

I think he actually got a whole article printed in the newspaper because Engle, at the Loeb funeral, mentions that the Joker made this threat in that day's paper as he holds it up to the camera, suggesting it was a mass print. I think the only explanation is he paid off a journalist, and they would have to sneak it past the editor or something.

Joker printed them at Kinkos then got a bunch of dweebs from superherohype to come on to his website and go on a scavenger hunt to be rewarded with stacks of his paper to pass out. Some got a t-shirt.

 

[spartan11]

Well I'd say that the party scene with the Joker must of had an ending cut from it. There's no reason to defend the way the scene ended, it was a dangling plot point.

I mean I can imagine Joker leaving, but they way it ended in theaters we had Joker, in Bruce's Penthouse, amongst many guests, including Alfred! (gasp!). There's got to be a small scene that was cut and I hope it's in a director's/extended cut for the dvds.

well it seems he was only there to kill harvey and maybe anyone else who reminded him of his father. if he wanted to kill everyvody else, he could have just blown up the whole penthouse

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea his escape from the penthouse is in the novel, not sure why they didnt keep it in the film. maybe it was just to add some more mystery to the joker? who knows? it'll probs be in the extended cut on dvd if there is one.

 

[krisl]

Based on some of the questions being asked in this thread I've come to the conclusion that this movie would have to be six weeks long and come with a companion coloring book to please some of these people. Thank god you are a minority.

That's one way of looking at this thread.

Another is that the film is full of plot holes.

 

["V"]

Hehhe.



They arranged it before hand.

Its somethig they do all the time in the comics.

You'd assume so, but Gordon has only just arrived at MCU at that point. I just don't see how he could have had that conversation with Batman who then was able to sneak through without anybody (besides Gordon) knowing that he was in there.


Because technically its illegal for Gordan to be working with a vigilantly like Batman.....even more illegal to have that vigilantly in a interrogating room with a suspect.

Yes, but it would seem that he was in that room alone with Joker before Gordon appeared! So why didn't he start interrogating Joker as soon as the last cop speaking to Joker left the room? The other explanation could be that he wasn't in the room until after Gordon get there, which brings up the question: how did he get in the room?

And even more so to have Batman partake and take over the questioning.



This is not the comics wher Batman know's how sick the Joker is.....Nolans Batman has only been Batman for a year and hasnt had the experance with a sick mind like the Jokers yet.

He was hoping that maybe he could scare the Joker into answering the questions first.

But if he was in the room all the time surely he'd have seen that Joker wasn't going to answer any of the questions, because he didn't say anything to the others? He was either in the room all along (which means he could never have spoken to Gordon and he wouldn't have known that he was in there...) or he got in the room at the same time as Gordon, but how on earth did he manage to do that!?

I've worked in Psych Hospitals as a security guard with rooms with that kind of set up.

Sometimes it could take up to 10 minutes to send someone around to the other door.

The real question was why there wasnt a team on the other side of that door.

In the hospitals that I worked at with the same room set up a team would be in place of both entry points to the therapy room.

That's interesting. I suppose that there's a slight argument in that this is a police station and not a psych ward, but I can't believe that they didn't have people ready on the other side.

It seems like Batman's entrance in this is a plot hole that was overlooked for the dramatic impact, as many films do.

Like I said it was Joker who found all the money.Joker told the mod where to come and get the rest of the money while Joker took his half when he found it all.

I know that Joker found the money... that's why he went and got Lau. But my question still remains: just what did the mob hire Joker for? It's made out that it's to kill the Batman - which he doesn't do - so why would they let him take half? Is there something in the film where he says he'll get their money back if they give him half and I've just missed it?

Chechen was not in a position to stop the Joker from taking his half.

Why not? He had his men and his dogs with him. He was happy for Joker to walk out with half without putting up a fight, but I'm still struggling to understand why they were letting Joker take half, because he didn't "kill the Batman" and I can't remember him setting up a deal where he'd get it back in exchange for half?

I know that scene gave a lot of people that the Mod told Joker to come and get his half but I dont think thats how it was ment to be seen.

That's not how I saw it at all. It was obvious from the first viewing that Joker was the one who found the cash, because Lau never gave the location to the mob members, and Joker had Lau. Joker even says "Where's the Italian?" because he told him to meet him there. My question hasn't been: 'why did the mob tell Joker where the money is?' My question is: why were they going to let him have half?

I took it as Joker found out where the money was....he then called the mob and told them to meet him while he separated his half.

Yep. But he burns it all.

The mod then arrived and Joker started to burn his half.



I got the question a bit mixed up before.

I didnt sleep in a while.30 hours



I think he was just happy to have the money back in the first place.

Thirty hours is a long time to go without sleep!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i've been 3 days without sleeping before. and no it wasn't pleasurable.

 

["V"]

i've been 3 days without sleeping before. and no it wasn't pleasurable.

It makes the victim go all fuzzy...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

lol yea by the third day i wanted to die!! thats what too much caffeine and other illegal substances can do to ya!! "kids, dont do drugs"

 

[Mike53421]

I'm not going through 26 pages of posts to check, but at the start of the movie when Bruce is stitching himself up you'll notice there's an editing error as he's talking to Alfred. He's talking and then they switch angles and his mouth isn't moving for a split second.

Saw it for the 4th time but I picked up on this the 1st time and just forgot about it because of how insignificant it is.

 

[JL Unlimited]

That's one way of looking at this thread.

Another is that the film is full of plot holes.

Plot holes, by definition, would mean that something was left out of the movie that would cause the plot or story to not make sense. The number one complaint on here is that Nolan didn't show the Joker leaving the penthouse. That is not a plot hole. People just refuse to use their imaginations. If Nolan doesn't show what happen, you should just assume that he escaped because the story moved on.

I hope that most of you people who nitpick all these little so called "plot holes" or "things I didn't like because I lack imagination or didn't understand" aren't going down on No Country for Old Men. The Coen brothers left out a whole scene at the end, which robbed that movie of any climax.

 

[LadyVader]

I can play this game too. What happens to the Chechen? Joker's men just drags him off as the Joker says out loud "How about we cut you up into little pieces". I mean we didn't see it and he disappears off camera so there's no evidence here either.

Also, what happens to Maroni? We see the car flip over and he's not wearing a seat belt. The scene just flashes from the interior of the car to the car flipping.

I can go on and on. t:

At least Joker clearly says what's going to happen to the guy and you don't need mroe than that. but Lau was standing in the middle of a pile of money which caught fire. His death should've been acknowledged somehow given he was in the movie the same amount of time that Maroni and the Russian were.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Plot holes, by definition, would mean that something was left out of the movie that would cause the plot or story to not make sense. The number one complaint on here is that Nolan didn't show the Joker leaving the penthouse. That is not a plot hole. People just refuse to use their imaginations. If Nolan doesn't show what happen, you should just assume that he escaped because the story moved on.

I hope that most of you people who nitpick all these little so called "plot holes" or "things I didn't like because I lack imagination or didn't understand" aren't going down on No Country for Old Men. The Coen brothers left out a whole scene at the end, which robbed that movie of any climax.

yea that did miss a important part out at the end, but i like to use my imagination in that scene. i reckon he spared her life!!

 

[JL Unlimited]

At least Joker clearly says what's going to happen to the guy and you don't need mroe than that. but Lau was standing in the middle of a pile of money which caught fire. His death should've been acknowledged somehow given he was in the movie the same amount of time that Maroni and the Russian were.

I don't think Joker says it clearly. He asked him, "How about we cut you up and feed you to your little pooches." (See what I'm doing here? I'm arguing for argument's sake.)

Why focus on Lau? If Maroni, the Chechen, and Lau are equally important as you say, then why not care that they didn't acknowledge what happened to Maroni and the Chechen either?

 

[JL Unlimited]

yea that did miss a important part out at the end, but i like to use my imagination in that scene. i reckon he spared her life!!

I wasn't referring to that scene. I think the Coen brothers left that out so the audience came come to their own conclusion. I was talking about:

Spoiler

The main character, who we've invested in throughout the whole movie, doesn't have any sort of final battle or death scene. It's like the equivalent of Batman leaving the construction site after beating Joker in TDK to go look for Harvey and the very next scene is him laying on the ground next to Two-Face.

 

[Cobblepot]

Why did Joker leave the penthouse?

Because he figured, by the way Batman jumped after Rachel, Dent was Batman. He mentions the fact that he thought Dent was Batman later on in the film.

Then he obviously left, because he was looking for Dent.