The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[BruceWayne]

Not really plot holes, but more like, "how did these happen".

-How did Joker leave Bruces apartment after Batman fell with Rachel?

-Did Gamble actually die, or did he just pass out? how can you die from a slit in your mouth?

-How did Joker get a knife to be able to escape the interrogation room?

It wasn't a knife. It was a shard of glass from when Batman rammed his head into the mirror. When he's sitting on the floor, you can see some pieces behind his head.

 

[Perdition]

-How did Joker get a knife to be able to escape the interrogation room?

It was a piece of broken glass yo

 

[Perdition]

-How did Joker get a knife to be able to escape the interrogation room?

It was a piece of broken glass yo

 

[[A]]

He is totally, totally using a cane. He even does a little smug flippy-thing with it before he gets in the car.

You don't think Bruce has surveillance on the one elevator going up to his penthouse?

He probably also has surveillance at MCU, but the elevator surveillance makes the most sense.

It amazes me how much people don't pay attention to movies these days..

 

[tang126]

I've been wanting to bring this up for a while now (pretty much since December) and I can't believe it wasn't asked here already (it's the very first scene, although it's not a hardcore "plot hole" as much as a common sense/suspension of disbelief issue):

When the camera is flying across Gotham, zooming to the glass building in the opening scene...those two zip-line guys blow out the window to shoot their line across to the bank's rooftop, right?

How does all that glass and debris fall 6-10 stories (they were at least that high up) and a) not kill anyone below, or, at the very least, b) cause everyone to look up and wonder "WTF?!", especially when they seen two guys flying across on the zip-line. Wouldn't a ton of emergency calls go out to the police and EMTs, right then and there?

t:

I guess we could say that those police cars showing up after Joker pulls the school bus into the street were from the calls placed then (assuming one of the tellers or the bank manager didn't hit the silent alarm...I can't remember).

But it just seems odd that if you're trying to do a major daylight bank robbery, you don't want to call attention to yourself beforehand. Blowing out a window on a busy downtown street from several stories up pretty much seems like the last thing you'd want to do...



Yeah, I know it makes for a better, more exciting shot/intro (versus them gently and methodically removing the pane and placing it inside the room like a sensible person would do), but still...

 

[I Am The Knight]

the text messages Batman sends Gordon

TDK directed by Brett Ratner:

"Watch 0ut 4 D c0p N D Krr"

 

[Big Bad Bat]

i have a few

how could joker set up all thoses schemes with the bombs and things....and also how could he afford it?

How did no one notice the bombs on the ferrys before they left port

How did harvey survive the car crash if maroni(i think thats his name) died in the crash.

The third episode of Gotham Tonight reveals that a large shipment of ammonium nitrate had been stolen off the docks 7 days before, and that the perpetrator was "crazy enough to smile into the surveillance camera." From this information, it can be concluded that the Joker is the thief, and that he likely has enough ammonium to make a substantial amount of bombs.

http://batman.wikibruce.com/GT3transcript

 

[Travesty]

3. It's a shard of glass, from where Batman threw him into the two-way mirror. Note how he's sitting under that exact spot.

All your other explanations are what I was thinking, but I kept looking at the knife, and it looked like it was metal and not glass. I've seen the movie 3 times now, but I'll look even more closely next time I go. I just didn't think any glass came off, just spider-webbed.

 

[Anita18]

All your other explanations are what I was thinking, but I kept looking at the knife, and it looked like it was metal and not glass. I've seen the movie 3 times now, but I'll look even more closely next time I go. I just didn't think any glass came off, just spider-webbed.

It's glass. It's a bit translucent, but it's definitely not metal. It doesn't even have a handle, so it's obviously not a knife.

No glass coming off of that impact wouldn't be a plot hole, but a continuity error. The film expects you to assume that's where the glass came from, at any rate.

 

[Schlosser85]

How much, if anything, did Maroni have to do with the Harvey-Rachel kidnapping? We hear Wuertz and Ramirez were working for him, but I was under the impression The Joker was behind it, but why would Wuertz and Ramirez follow orders from The Joker, even if he was (loosely) allied with Maroni?

 

[Bat-Mite]

Yeah, that's definitely glass from the mirrory window. I've seen the movie twice and got a good look at it both times.

 

[Paradyme]

I've been wanting to bring this up for a while now (pretty much since December) and I can't believe it wasn't asked here already (it's the very first scene, although it's not a hardcore "plot hole" as much as a common sense/suspension of disbelief issue):

When the camera is flying across Gotham, zooming to the glass building in the opening scene...those two zip-line guys blow out the window to shoot their line across to the bank's rooftop, right?

How does all that glass and debris fall 6-10 stories (they were at least that high up) and a) not kill anyone below, or, at the very least, b) cause everyone to look up and wonder "WTF?!", especially when they seen two guys flying across on the zip-line. Wouldn't a ton of emergency calls go out to the police and EMTs, right then and there?

t:

I guess we could say that those police cars showing up after Joker pulls the school bus into the street were from the calls placed then (assuming one of the tellers or the bank manager didn't hit the silent alarm...I can't remember).

But it just seems odd that if you're trying to do a major daylight bank robbery, you don't want to call attention to yourself beforehand. Blowing out a window on a busy downtown street from several stories up pretty much seems like the last thing you'd want to do...



Yeah, I know it makes for a better, more exciting shot/intro (versus them gently and methodically removing the pane and placing it inside the room like a sensible person would do), but still...

If you are refering to the glass falling out onto the street I thought I saw a show where they said if you were to break glass from inside the glass would fall inside. I don't remember the scientific term. Most of it implodes where as a few pieces would fall forward. It's been so long since I saw that show I can't remember the term.

 

[Anita18]

How much, if anything, did Maroni have to do with the Harvey-Rachel kidnapping? We hear Wuertz and Ramirez were working for him, but I was under the impression The Joker was behind it, but why would Wuertz and Ramirez follow orders from The Joker, even if he was (loosely) allied with Maroni?

They were probably taking orders directly from Maroni, who's working with Joker.

All we know is that Maroni was working with Joker, and that Maroni has the manpower while Joker has the ideas.

 

[Travesty]

It's glass. It's a bit translucent, but it's definitely not metal. It doesn't even have a handle, so it's obviously not a knife.

No glass coming off of that impact wouldn't be a plot hole, but a continuity error. The film expects you to assume that's where the glass came from, at any rate.

Cool, I wasn't to worried about it, just curious. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[tang126]

If you are refering to the glass falling out onto the street I thought I saw a show where they said if you were to break glass from inside the glass would fall inside. I don't remember the scientific term.

That's weird. I can't imagine that being the case at all times. And even if it is, go to YouTube and check out the prologue (it's there) and see if you think all that glass is "falling inside the room"...in Nolan's world, it seems, it blows outward quite dramatically!



But let's be clear: it's not a huge thing, and it doesn't take away from the movie at all (and it certainly doesn't warrant a hotly-debated, overanalyzed, 12-page discussion ...I did say in my initial post it was more of a common sense/suspension of disbelief nag than a huge, movie-ruining issue). It's simply a "whoa...that's a lot of glass flying out - and down - in the middle of the afternoon...that can't be good for anyone!". It jumped out at me when I first saw the prologue (and I was reminded of it when I saw the full movie last Thursday night). Again, for all we know those police cars could've shown up from phone calls based on that (we just don't see it happen). I'm totally willing to go with that.

But the glass - lots of it - did explode outward, and down to the street below. Yikes! Talk about ruining your day if you're just strolling along a sidewalk, minding your own business, and a bunch of broken glass (tempered or not) falls on you. That's just gonna suck, any way you cut it (no pun).

Other than that small tidbit, I've got the same questions as others have posed in these three pages. Nothing huge or movie-wrecking, of course. But all movies have them in varying degrees, even the mighty "Dark Knight"...

 

[Motown Marvel]

i thought it was funny that batman could do all those fanciful tricks on his batpod....but apparently didnt even know how to maneuver and stop properly when playing chicken with the joker (since he just ended up wiping out resulting in the joker beating the crap out of him until gordon gloriously shows up from his highly unnecessary fake death).

 

[dlvillarreal]

i thought it was funny that batman could do all those fanciful tricks on his batpod....but apparently didnt even know how to maneuver and stop properly when playing chicken with the joker (since he just ended up wiping out resulting in the joker beating the crap out of him until gordon gloriously shows up from his highly unnecessary fake death).

So what's the proper way of stopping on a motorcycle when you're about to hit a car that's stopped in the middle of the road? Cause it seemed like Batman handled that fine.

 

[Motown Marvel]

So what's the proper way of stopping on a motorcycle when you're about to hit a car that's stopped in the middle of the road? Cause it seemed like Batman handled that fine.

of all the things he did on that bike, i find it hard to believe he couldnt come up with something to stop a little more safely.

 

[The Batman]

I find that alot of the questions are silly nitpicks or things already answered in the movie...all one has to do is actually pay attention to what people are doing....

 

[sglass03]

OK, so here's a question, apologies if this has been answered already.

During the whole "mob meeting" during the beginning, Maroni refers to the Joker as some nobody with a "cheap green and purple suit," or something like that (paraphrase, obviously.)

But how did Maroni know the Joker wore a purple and green suit? The first time we see the Joker, during the bank heist, he wears that nondescript work suit. Then, during the meeting, Joker says "The suit ain't cheap, you should know, you bought it," implying that he bought it with the mob's money after he took it (thus, after the robbery, and so he couldn't have worn it beforehand.)

 

[Motown Marvel]

As I said, if a scene did not further the story or a character arc, it did not end up in the film. A film does not have to show you exactly how characters do things, that's not the point of storytelling.

with the exception of gordon's "death"....that was completely unecessary and served no purpose. the reese guy was pretty useless too. it owulda been better if joker put that hit out on gordon, out of revenge for capturing him.

 

[Yurka]

1) "5 dead, 2 of them cops".
I'm assuming -Wuertz, hospital cop, Maroni's driver, Maroni, but that still leaves one.

2) This is more of a question that might be a plot hole. When Maroni is in the hospital and tells Gordon where he can find the Joker, is that the warehouse with the money?
Because we see Gordon and the police scramble to a location, then the Joker calls in his threat about Reese, then Gordon and the cops just leave for the hospitals/Reese. If this is accurate why the hell wouldn't they just go in and get the Joker?

 

[jackjack924]

It's glass. It's a bit translucent, but it's definitely not metal. It doesn't even have a handle, so it's obviously not a knife.

No glass coming off of that impact wouldn't be a plot hole, but a continuity error. The film expects you to assume that's where the glass came from, at any rate.

I thought it was his little shoe knife but glass makes more sense since they probably would have scanned him for metal before putting him in the holding cell.

 

[dlvillarreal]

Gordon's fake death wasn't unnecessary. Right before Loeb dies he says "Gordon you're in line (for this spot or something like that meaning he knew Gordon was in line to be the Commissioner after him.)" So if the Joker had already made good on the threat to kill the commissioner why wouldn't he go after Gordon? I would have done the same thing if I was in that position.

 

[dlvillarreal]

I thought it was his little shoe knife but glass makes more sense since they probably would have scanned him for metal before putting him in the holding cell.

There is shards of glass on the ledge right above the Joker when he is sitting in the interrogation room while the guy guards the door. He overtakes the officer while in the room and brings him out into the holding cell area to get his phone call.