The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[mikey09]

Dark Knight's IMDB's page actually does a good job of explaining what some of you are calling 'plot-holes'.

I personally didn't see any plot-holes. Nolan's film rarely have any.

I think some people need to use their imagination a bit more, that's all.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

regardless, my point remains that it was negligent and out of character for bruce to leave those files so accessible.

-I agree it was negligent but I wouldnt say it was out of character since his comic book counterpart once did basically the same thing.

 

[ultimatefan]

joker was challenging batman by challenging society and authority in general. that would include gordon. and what better way to create fear and chaos by killing the brand new commissioner just days after having killed the previous commissioner. no one wold want the job, society would have lost faith in the police force which makes batman's job all the more difficult and challening. but, clearly, gordon wouldnt get killed. and what i find strong isnt my problem...im pretty sure its more my opinion.




regardless, my point remains that it was negligent and out of character for bruce to leave those files so accessible.

Still, at that point he was already fascinated and obssessed with Batman. Plus, he already had a far better plan in mind, to make the DA who had become this huge symbol of hope for the city fall into darkness.

First, I think it was Lucius´job, not Bruce´s. Second, the division was closed, so they weren´t supposed to be so acessible. Like I said, it was a mistake to leave them there, but these are still human characters who make mistakes. Sometimes even brilliant people make far sillier mistakes than this.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think if jokers included in the next film he'll have a few tricks up his sleeve regarding Gordon. The Killing Joke anyone?

 

[Saint]

About the bullet reconstruction plot hole:

When I saw it today, I made sure to pay attention to the reconstructed bullet. The 3D diagram with the print did not include the casing, only the slug. I can understand why some people are confused: most haven't seen the components of a bullet, just the final product, so they don't might not know that the slug is longer than it appears when it's in the case. Thus, when they see the 3D model of the slug, it's length suggests to them that the case is included, when it is not.

I can absolute guarantee that the fingerprint was not on the case. The case was no present in the reconstructed diagram. It was on the slug.

 

[[A]]

About the bullet reconstruction plot hole:

When I saw it today, I made sure to pay attention to the reconstructed bullet. The 3D diagram with the print did not include the casing, only the slug. I can understand why some people are confused: most haven't seen the components of a bullet, just the final product, so they don't might not know that the slug is longer than it appears when it's in the case. Thus, when they see the 3D model of the slug, it's length suggests to them that the case is included, when it is not.

I can absolute guarantee that the fingerprint was not on the case. The case was no present in the reconstructed diagram. It was on the slug.

I don't understand any of this t: but I love to see the plot-holers (?!) bite the dust (!?!?x2)

 

[The Guard]

Someone explain to me how the bullet/fingerprint thing actually worked.

Oh, I know how it WORKED, as in how they were reconstructing things, and it was cool enough, but that plot element somehow leading Batman to the correct apartment overlooking the parade, I'm sorry...that's just so incredibly random and hard to swallow. It plays like the filmmakers were thinking "Maybe if we go through this fast enough, people will miss the gap in logic here".

 

[hatebox]

Someone explain to me how the bullet/fingerprint thing actually worked.

Oh, I know how it WORKED, as in how they were reconstructing things, and it was cool enough, but that plot element somehow leading Batman to the correct apartment overlooking the parade, I'm sorry...that's just so incredibly random and hard to swallow. It plays like the filmmakers were thinking "Maybe if we go through this fast enough, people will miss the gap in logic here".

They matched the fingerprint on the bullet to an ex-con's address from a (police) database. All in a day's work for batman.

 

[Crook]

So has anyone mentioned a gaping flaw in Joker's ace in the hole plan with Harvey? If he was also planning to "break down" Dent from the beginning, then why was he ready to blow him to bits with a rocket launcher? If the Tumbler hadn't gotten in the way, and Joker certainly didn't know it was gonna intercept the missile, Dent would've been dead. So you can throw out that entire scheme with Harvey and Rachel being wired to explosives.

Speaking of, was Rachel's timer set faster or something? How could Joker truly be sure that Rachel would be left to die, and someone would have saved Dent in time?

 

[hatebox]

So has anyone mentioned a gaping flaw in Joker's ace in the hole plan with Harvey? If he was also planning to "break down" Dent from the beginning, then why was he ready to blow him to bits with a rocket launcher? If the Tumbler hadn't gotten in the way, and Joker certainly didn't know it was gonna intercept the missile, Dent would've been dead. So you can throw out that entire scheme with Harvey and Rachel being wired to explosives.

Speaking of, was Rachel's timer set faster or something? How could Joker truly be sure that Rachel would be left to die, and someone would have saved Dent in time?

The way I see it, breaking batman was Joker's number one aim. When he realized he was 'incorruptible', Dent was his next best substitute. So initially he tried to kill Dent to get batman to kill him, but when he knew batman wouldn't kill, it was enough to bring Dent down to his level.

 

[Crook]

He would still have had to plan that scheme before he actually went after Harvey though. Joker only knew about Batman being incorruptible the same exact day.

He was caught and had no access to tell anyone to kidnap Dent or Rachel.

 

[hatebox]

He would still have had to plan that scheme before he actually went after Harvey though. Joker only knew about Batman being incorruptible the same exact day.

He was caught and had no access to tell anyone to kidnap Dent or Rachel.

I guess the Joker always had a 'plan B' from the start.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

How did Batman know where to go to look for Harvey?

 

[Crook]

I guess the Joker always had a 'plan B' from the start.

Yeah, that's true as well. Though I do find it funny Joker could've been stopped if it wasn't for the GPD's incompetence.

Joker's escape solely relied on a phone call that they weren't obligated to give him, nor were planning to. Had they not stupidly put a guard inside the room with Joker (wtf is that all about anyway? Joker can't break through metal), the entire plan would've been in shambles.

 

[JL Unlimited]

So has anyone mentioned a gaping flaw in Joker's ace in the hole plan with Harvey? If he was also planning to "break down" Dent from the beginning, then why was he ready to blow him to bits with a rocket launcher? If the Tumbler hadn't gotten in the way, and Joker certainly didn't know it was gonna intercept the missile, Dent would've been dead. So you can throw out that entire scheme with Harvey and Rachel being wired to explosives.

Speaking of, was Rachel's timer set faster or something? How could Joker truly be sure that Rachel would be left to die, and someone would have saved Dent in time?

The Joker had suspicions that Harvey lied about being Batman to bait him to come out. The Joker didn't want to kill Harvey initially during the car chase scene because of the chance that Harvey really was Batman. He wanted to bait the real Batman to come out so he can get arrested. That's why he used two RPG shots on the police cruiser when he had clear shots at the armored vehicle carrying Harvey. After firing the two shots, he looks outside the truck and sees the Tumbler coming. That's when he decides to blow away the armored truck.

 

[hatebox]

The Joker had suspicions that Harvey lied about being Batman to bait him to come out. The Joker didn't want to kill Harvey initially during the car chase scene because of the chance that Harvey really was Batman. He wanted to bait the real Batman to come out so he can get arrested. That's why he used two RPG shots on the police cruiser when he had clear shots at the armored vehicle carrying Harvey. After firing the two shots, he looks outside the truck and sees the Tumbler coming. That's when he decides to blow away the armored truck.

Good call, that didn't occur to me before.

 

[JL Unlimited]

Yeah, that's true as well. Though I do find it funny Joker could've been stopped if it wasn't for the GPD's incompetence.

Joker's escape solely relied on a phone call that they weren't obligated to give him, nor were planning to. Had they not stupidly put a guard inside the room with Joker (wtf is that all about anyway? Joker can't break through metal), the entire plan would've been in shambles.

The Joker's supposed to be a criminal mastermind so he'll have many back-up plans. He would have eventually gotten his phone call if he waited because his mob lawyer (Maroni's?) was on the way. Remember, Gordon told everyone to back off the bars because he didn't want "anything for his mob lawyer to use." Plan A: Ask politely for his phone call. Plan B: Bait cop to beat him up. Plan C: Mob lawyer will come. That's how I saw it, at least.

As far as Stephens keeping guard in the interrogation room, maybe the doors don't have locks? I've never been inside one before but that could be a logical explanation. Or maybe the glass was badly shattered and the Joker could have escaped that way if he used the chair in the room. We'll never know because the way he DID escape was pretty awesome anyway.

 

[Crook]

The Joker had suspicions that Harvey lied about being Batman to bait him to come out. The Joker didn't want to kill Harvey initially during the car chase scene because of the chance that Harvey really was Batman. He wanted to bait the real Batman to come out so he can get arrested. That's why he used two RPG shots on the police cruiser when he had clear shots at the armored vehicle carrying Harvey. After firing the two shots, he looks outside the truck and sees the Tumbler coming. That's when he decides to blow away the armored truck.

Yeah I had gathered that (Joker admits almost falling for it in the interrogation), but that still means he was intending to kill Dent once he saw he wasn't the real Batman.

And Hatebox I've been thinking about your "plan B" theory a little more. Considering Joker's final speech to Batman, doesn't he indicate Harvey was a crucial element to his grand scheme all along? He wasn't willing to lose the battle in a fist-fight, so he had to secretly turn Harv, just in case his ploy with the ferries didn't go as planned.

 

[Crook]

The Joker's supposed to be a criminal mastermind so he'll have many back-up plans. He would have eventually gotten his phone call if he waited because his mob lawyer (Maroni's?) was on the way. Remember, Gordon told everyone to back off the bars because he didn't want "anything for his mob lawyer to use." Plan A: Ask politely for his phone call. Plan B: Bait cop to beat him up. Plan C: Mob lawyer will come. That's how I saw it, at least.

Ah, completely forgot about that mob lawyer line. Good call.

As far as Stephens keeping guard in the interrogation room, maybe the doors don't have locks? I've never been inside one before but that could be a logical explanation. Or maybe the glass was badly shattered and the Joker could have escaped that way if he used the chair in the room. We'll never know because the way he DID escape was pretty awesome anyway.

The door did have locks, as you see Gordon waiting for a "buzz" before leaving the room. If they wanted to have a guard, one should have been outside. Or at least if they HAD to be in the same room, handcuff and restrain the guy. Pretty stupid to just leave him free like that, especially with how he was such a huge threat already.

But yeah, the escape was pretty well-done. Hard to make it as exciting if they had accounted for all these variables. So I guess I'll just leave it to the GPD as being idiots.

 

[JL Unlimited]

Yeah I had gathered that (Joker admits almost falling for it in the interrogation), but that still means he was intending to kill Dent once he saw he wasn't the real Batman.

And Hatebox I've been thinking about your "plan B" theory a little more. Considering Joker's final speech to Batman, doesn't he indicate Harvey was a crucial element to his grand scheme all along? He wasn't willing to lose the battle in a fist-fight, so he had to secretly turn Harv, just in case his ploy with the ferries didn't go as planned.

Ahh...I thought you were asking why the Joker was trying to kill Harvey if he thought he was Batman. So you bring up an interesting point that I've thought about too.

Would a hit from an RPG really kill Harvey? It damaged the Tumbler badly but Batman was able to escape from that unscathed.

 

[JL Unlimited]

Ah, completely forgot about that mob lawyer line. Good call.


The door did have locks, as you see Gordon waiting for a "buzz" before leaving the room. If they wanted to have a guard, one should have been outside. Or at least if they HAD to be in the same room, handcuff and restrain the guy. Pretty stupid to just leave him free like that, especially with how he was such a huge threat already.

But yeah, the escape was pretty well-done. Hard to make it as exciting if they had accounted for all these variables. So I guess I'll just leave it to the GPD as being idiots.

You're right about the "buzz". I completely forgot about that.

It just occured to me right now that maybe Stephens wasn't in there to make sure Joker wouldn't escape, maybe he was in there to make sure that no other police officers got to him since they obviously wanted to hurt him when he was in the holding cell and probably more motivated now after seeing Batman get in a few punches. There were two doors in the interrogation room so Stephens was able to guard both doors while being inside. Gordon underestimated the Joker's ability to manipulate.

 

[ultimatefan]

He would still have had to plan that scheme before he actually went after Harvey though. Joker only knew about Batman being incorruptible the same exact day.

He was caught and had no access to tell anyone to kidnap Dent or Rachel.

It could have been the b-plan all along.

 

[Saint]

Someone explain to me how the bullet/fingerprint thing actually worked.

Oh, I know how it WORKED, as in how they were reconstructing things, and it was cool enough, but that plot element somehow leading Batman to the correct apartment overlooking the parade, I'm sorry...that's just so incredibly random and hard to swallow. It plays like the filmmakers were thinking "Maybe if we go through this fast enough, people will miss the gap in logic here".

My understanding was that the print was incomplete, and had four possible matches. Knowing that Joker was leaving a trail for him to follow (thanks to the newspaper), Batman asked Alfred to check for apartments overlooking the parade (the obvious place to try and kill the mayor) owned by any of the four possible matches. There was one such place, so Batman went there.

 

[isaias7]

The Joker's supposed to be a criminal mastermind so he'll have many back-up plans. He would have eventually gotten his phone call if he waited because his mob lawyer (Maroni's?) was on the way. Remember, Gordon told everyone to back off the bars because he didn't want "anything for his mob lawyer to use." Plan A: Ask politely for his phone call. Plan B: Bait cop to beat him up. Plan C: Mob lawyer will come. That's how I saw it, at least.

As far as Stephens keeping guard in the interrogation room, maybe the doors don't have locks? I've never been inside one before but that could be a logical explanation. Or maybe the glass was badly shattered and the Joker could have escaped that way if he used the chair in the room. We'll never know because the way he DID escape was pretty awesome anyway.

Well if there was someone outside then.....
1.jOkeR told him to open it or he would kill Stephens.
or
2.Stephens had a key or something after all.
or
3.Maybe he got Joker angry.

 

[deathfromabove]

so, we find any real plot holes yet?