The Official PS4 Thread - Part 7

[XtremelyBaneful]

Let's say I don't like Destiny. I can sell it for full price.

Or, let's say four months from now, I want to get 30 bucks. I can sell it.

Or I want to give it a friend, as a gift, or just to let him play it.

It matters. That's why the Xbone bundle is cheaper.

1st of all, the titanfall bundle was $500 and gave you a physical copy of the game, didn't it? and that also was free.

2nd, it is a code, isn't it? on a piece of paper? you can just sell that piece of paper and get $60; with destiny, if you sold it for full price, you'd only be making $10 profit.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No I am not and honestly its not worth going into. Im guilty of contributing and repeating myself just like anyone else on here

well this is a forum... anything that's worth anything is worth just as much as anything else.

 

[Solidus]

yeah, sony being behind the majority of the 7th generation didn't stop my support for it, but every single year I still hoped they would close the gap more & more & eventually outsell the 360 (they were able to achieve the former) but it really broke my heart that they lost all those 3rd party exclusives. i really wish they did more to secure them. gone are the days that 3rd party exclusives were even a thing, but they were huge in the 6th generation, especially on Ps2.

i think microsoft's got more going for it than sony. i wish they stuck with their drm policies. in hindsight we would then have 2 pretty different consoles, you know? and with you mentioning wanting to get an xbone in the same sentence of me talking **** about sony made it look like I had some sort of influence

i think they've been fine since launch. it just looks like they're doing bad because the Ps4 is doing better but the xbone by itself, is doing very well.


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Again Sony has a more powerful system, and more in house game devs that have proved themselves time and time again. But if you like MS so much go buy an X1. Don't know why you keep being torn by it.

You keep talking about your influence, when I have decided this long before you started talking about all this....and you saying that again and again...you come off as suspicious with that.

 

[Thundercrack85]

1st of all, the titanfall bundle was $500 and gave you a physical copy of the game, didn't it? and that also was free.

2nd, it is a code, isn't it? on a piece of paper? you can just sell that piece of paper and get $60; with destiny, if you sold it for full price, you'd only be making $10 profit.

Titanfall was also a download code, from what I remember.

Only a fool would pay 60 dollars for a single download code. Granted, I could probably find one, but that does seem like a hassle.

Physical copies are intrinsically worth much more than download codes, that's why it's more expensive.

 

[X Knight]

Titanfall was also a download code, from what I remember.

Only a fool would pay 60 dollars for a single download code. Granted, I could probably find one, but that does seem like a hassle.

Physical copies are intrinsically worth much more than download codes, that's why it's more expensive.

the irony there ( in the industry, not you ) is that digital copies cost the same as physical copies.

 

[X Knight]

No I am not and honestly its not worth going into. Im guilty of contributing and repeating myself just like anyone else on here

same here. lol

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Again Sony has a more powerful system, and more in house game devs that have proved themselves time and time again. But if you like MS so much go buy an X1. Don't know why you keep being torn by it.

You keep talking about your influence, when I have decided this long before you started talking about all this....and you saying that again and again...you come off as suspicious with that.

well I want sony to stay on top, but it doesn't look like they're doing as much for their install base than what microsft is doing for theirs.

and you need to chill out man, like I said the first time, the only reason I mentioned it was because you said it within the same sentence of how I was talking pro microsft and **** sony

Titanfall was also a download code, from what I remember.

Only a fool would pay 60 dollars for a single download code. Granted, I could probably find one, but that does seem like a hassle.

Physical copies are intrinsically worth much more than download codes, that's why it's more expensive.

well I don't remember so you're probably right. however, I don't think the white Ps4 will become the new standard like you suggested... but we'll have to wait and see still.

 

[Thundercrack85]

the irony there ( in the industry, not you ) is that digital copies cost the same as physical copies.

Or actually more in some cases.

I actually don't have any problem with downloading digital copies... if the price is right. I think even brand new, they should be 40 tops. Anything more is just idiotic.

The whole notion that a game (physical copy or otherwise) is intrinsically worth 60 bucks bothers me.

To have all digital games start at 60 bucks is just a good way to guarantee that people are going to keep buying physical copies.

 

[Thundercrack85]

well I want sony to stay on top, but it doesn't look like they're doing as much for their install base than what microsft is doing for theirs.

and you need to chill out man, like I said the first time, the only reason I mentioned it was because you said it within the same sentence of how I was talking pro microsft and **** sony



well I don't remember so you're probably right. however, I don't think the white Ps4 will become the new standard like you suggested... but we'll have to wait and see still.

I didn't suggest that. I simply restated a rumor.

The point is that digital just isn't worth as much as physical. The companies themselves are very aware of that, despite what they might say publicly.

 

[Marvolo]

Or actually more in some cases.

I actually don't have any problem with downloading digital copies... if the price is right. I think even brand new, they should be 40 tops. Anything more is just idiotic.

The whole notion that a game (physical copy or otherwise) is intrinsically worth 60 bucks bothers me.

To have all digital games start at 60 bucks is just a good way to guarantee that people are going to keep buying physical copies.

I have a problem with digital media prices in general. Because there is no physical manufacturing involved I find it ridiculous that I should be asked to pay the same price for a digital copy as a physical copy that comes with a case, cover art, and a blu-ray disc.

I mean I know they have to make money to cover the costs of development and paying the employees and to make a profit and to make enough to keep their servers running and maintained and that I am getting potentially hundreds of hours of entertainment, but anything above $50 for a digital copy seems kind of absurd. Somethings out of whack there.

The only way digital will ever look like a better bang for buck is if digital prices drop or physical prices go up.

 

[Havok83]

Or actually more in some cases.

I actually don't have any problem with downloading digital copies... if the price is right. I think even brand new, they should be 40 tops. Anything more is just idiotic.

The whole notion that a game (physical copy or otherwise) is intrinsically worth 60 bucks bothers me.

To have all digital games start at 60 bucks is just a good way to guarantee that people are going to keep buying physical copies.

but people do buy the games at $60. I think there would be more efforts to change that if they weren't making money with their current model bc digital games has been a thing for years now. You may not be into it but obviously other are. Even on this site, there are many that have been down for it since this gen started and price hasn't discouraged that

I have a problem with digital media prices in general. Because there is no physical manufacturing involved I find it ridiculous that I should be asked to pay the same price for a digital copy as a physical copy that comes with a case, cover art, and a blu-ray disc.

I mean I know they have to make money to cover the costs of development and paying the employees and to make a profit and to make enough to keep their servers running and maintained and that I am getting potentially hundreds of hours of entertainment, but anything above $50 for a digital copy seems kind of absurd. Somethings out of whack there.

The only way digital will ever look like a better bang for buck is if digital prices drop or physical prices go up.

Have you thought about why its like that though? Physical prices have not gone up. They went up to $60 about 8-9 years ago and have stayed stagnant there. Even though we went through a recession, production/development costs have skyrocketed, especially with HD and the new gen, in addition to costs associated with manufacturing and getting the games to stores. Still $60. The companies make less per game now than they did 9 years ago.

The recession has been a b---h and we saw many mid tier publishers/developers fall out this past generation bc the value of the dollar was not the same. Unlike other industries, the videogame didn't adjust with the market when it came to inflating the prices. The bigger companies were able to withstand that but many smaller companies did not.

In previous generations, the way they would adjust for all of this would be to raise the prices. I remember PS1 games being $40, then $50 for PS2 and finally $60 for PS3. Would you rather retail PS4 games be $70 and the digital be $60, just so it could be cheaper then? Sony and MS have not raised the prices and are taking a "hit" so to speak with the retail numbers. They are able to recover that with digital prices and its their way to account for the additional costs in game development and manufacturing over the last gen that they haven't passed on to consumers at retail. While everyone would obviously want cheaper games in every scenario, if you look at it from a business perspective, its not that simple. Either they keep digital the same as retail or they raise the retail prices.

 

[Solidus]

well I want sony to stay on top, but it doesn't look like they're doing as much for their install base than what microsft is doing for theirs.

and you need to chill out man, like I said the first time, the only reason I mentioned it was because you said it within the same sentence of how I was talking pro microsft and **** sony



well I don't remember so you're probably right. however, I don't think the white Ps4 will become the new standard like you suggested... but we'll have to wait and see still.

That is so far from the truth. MS is doing everything they did, because they made MASSIVE mistakes. And they are simply correcting those mistakes. Sony's things that you jump on are so tiny, and small. Again....you are making a lot out of nothing. And really I think you may need to...chill out.

 

[Benstamania]

That is so far from the truth. MS is doing everything they did, because they made MASSIVE mistakes. And they are simply correcting those mistakes. Sony's things that you jump on are so tiny, and small. Again....you are making a lot out of nothing. And really I think you may need to...chill out.

 

[Thundercrack85]

but people do buy the games at $60. I think there would be more efforts to change that if they weren't making money with their current model bc digital games has been a thing for years now. You may not be into it but obviously other are. Even on this site, there are many that have been down for it since this gen started and price hasn't discouraged that

They do, to a point. But at the same time, games devalue like crazy. I forget the exact statistic, but it's something like 60% in a year.

I was skeptical of that number myself, until I tested it out. The games I kept an eye on were South Park: Stick of Truth, and Wolfenstein: The New Order.

Both are now 30 to 40 USD. And it's only been a few months. By Christmas, both will be 20 bucks.

Now, there are some exceptions to this rule, like GTA V, and The Last of Us. But I think this is just the market determining the value of games.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have a problem with digital media prices in general. Because there is no physical manufacturing involved I find it ridiculous that I should be asked to pay the same price for a digital copy as a physical copy that comes with a case, cover art, and a blu-ray disc.

I mean I know they have to make money to cover the costs of development and paying the employees and to make a profit and to make enough to keep their servers running and maintained and that I am getting potentially hundreds of hours of entertainment, but anything above $50 for a digital copy seems kind of absurd. Somethings out of whack there.

The only way digital will ever look like a better bang for buck is if digital prices drop or physical prices go up.

I don't think they've really been serious about digital. They're rather trapped in the old mind set.

I don't know enough specifics, but I would imagine that distribution, licensing, case, and the actual blu ray disc would cost a good chunk of the 60 dollars.

 

[Tron Bonne]

While digital does cut out some physical costs, such as printing, disc, etc, there are other costs that arise in it's place. Publishers still have to pay distributors of digital fronts (Steam takes 30% off any purchase made directly from their client, for instance), and I think publishers also have to pay fees for bandwidth and data management. I don't know what the comparison is between the two manufacturing-wise, but the idea that digital is completely free from any type of manufacturing costs isn't all that accurate.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I didn't suggest that. I simply restated a rumor.

The point is that digital just isn't worth as much as physical. The companies themselves are very aware of that, despite what they might say publicly.

well yeah, you talked about the rumor, which is suggesting that it may happen..

and I agree I guess, that physical is worth more than digital, but raven x knight was right, they sell at the same price so technically they are worth the same.

That is so far from the truth. MS is doing everything they did, because they made MASSIVE mistakes. And they are simply correcting those mistakes. Sony's things that you jump on are so tiny, and small. Again....you are making a lot out of nothing. And really I think you may need to...chill out.

I am chilling out man, everything is roses. Look I don't think what sony is doing is tiny; the complaints about media playback have been going on for a long time; hell, people are saying it's amusing that the Ps3 can still do things that the Ps4 can't.

 

[Thundercrack85]

They force us to pay the same, but that does't mean that they are worth the same. They know this, which is why bundles with a physical copy cost more.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Physical is automatically worth more simply because you can resell it. Until there is a widespread option to resell a downloadable copy of a game, then physical will always hold more overall value.

 

[X Knight]

Physical is automatically worth more simply because you can resell it. Until there is a widespread option to resell a downloadable copy of a game, then physical will always hold more overall value.

yeah. and that's why I still prefer to buy physical.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

They force us to pay the same, but that does't mean that they are worth the same. They know this, which is why bundles with a physical copy cost more.

if the digital was less then everybody would be getting that version anyway...

 

[Havok83]

well yeah, you talked about the rumor, which is suggesting that it may happen..

and I agree I guess, that physical is worth more than digital, but raven x knight was right, they sell at the same price so technically they are worth the same.


I am chilling out man, everything is roses. Look I don't think what sony is doing is tiny; the complaints about media playback have been going on for a long time; hell, people are saying it's amusing that the Ps3 can still do things that the Ps4 can't.

well it is tiny. Despite the disappointment people have expressed with no media playback, look how many on here STILL bought a PS4 in spite of that. The system sold with record numbers and continues to lead the pack every month. Lack of media functionality isnt a major deterrent as say DRM measures, forced Kinect, and many of the other issues which the X1 has since gone back on. With those, people honestly were ready to stay away until they were changed and that was prompted by the overwhelming negative feedback and sales forecast. I want media functionality just as much as anyone but it really is a small blip on Sony's radar and I beleive we here on the internet are making it a bigger issue than it is to the general public

While digital does cut out some physical costs, such as printing, disc, etc, there are other costs that arise in it's place. Publishers still have to pay distributors of digital fronts (Steam takes 30% off any purchase made directly from their client, for instance), and I think publishers also have to pay fees for bandwidth and data management. I don't know what the comparison is between the two manufacturing-wise, but the idea that digital is completely free from any type of manufacturing costs isn't all that accurate.

People either ignore or dont realize this. The ones that have the most to gain by all digital are MS and Sony as its their store fronts which everyone has to use. Many of the distribution costs which would go to retail stores go straight to them as there are licensing fees that need to pay as well as the bandwith costs, which you mention. Simply losing manufacturing fees associated with packaging and shipping doesnt reduce final costs bc different ones are gained in other areas.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

well it is tiny. Despite the disappointment people have expressed with no media playback, look how many on here STILL bought a PS4 in spite of that. The system sold with record numbers and continues to lead the pack every month. Lack of media functionality isnt a major deterrent as say DRM measures, forced Kinect, and many of the other issues which the X1 has since gone back on. With those, people honestly were ready to stay away until they were changed and that was prompted by the overwhelming negative feedback and sales forecast. I want media functionality just as much as anyone but it really is a small blip on Sony's radar and I beleive we here on the internet are making it a bigger issue than it is to the general public

OK fine, they're not big deals but that doesn't mean sony should ignore them forever. i'm pretty sure raven x knight said the other day on here that he hoped microsoft would start to gain up on sony since they're doing more with software updates and that would prompt sony to do the same, you know

 

[Havok83]

theres a new silver wired model

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014...-detailed-compatible-with-destiny-audio-mode/

The thing looks more dark grey though than silver

 

[X Knight]

OK fine, they're not big deals but that doesn't mean sony should ignore them forever. i'm pretty sure raven x knight said the other day on here that he hoped microsoft would start to gain up on sony since they're doing more with software updates and that would prompt sony to do the same, you know

oh yeah........if MS gains the lead over Sony for several months in a row, and Sony sees their lead starting to falter, I'm sure Sony will suddenly become much more "active" in announcing and releasing new features.

just today, MS has announced the preview of their October update, which included DLNA + MKV support as well as improved Snap features.

Sony.........still hasn't previewed the "other features" that are supposed to be part of the 2.0 update.

these features may not be that important in the grander scheme of things, but these "little things" all add up. not just the features themselves but also in how often you add them and how open you communicate them to your customers.

And in that respect, MS is beating Sony hands down.