The Official Red Robin discussion thread

[spiderbob]

Or you could go with the reason that DC wants to capatilize as much as possible off of the costume from the success that Kingdom Come is, so they're having Tim wear it to draw in more readers who want see how it's used.

 

[The Guard]

Because Jason Todd recieved it from a parallel Batman and wore the costume during his multiverse adventures, then discarded it once returning it home, only to have one of Tim's enemies take up its mantle to use against Tim.

Jason Todd had multiverse adventures? Is this during FINAL CRISIS?

I think I would have preferred some kind of Superboy Prime whacking at the walls of existence explanation.

 

[spiderbob]

Jason Todd had multiverse adventures? Is this during FINAL CRISIS?

I think I would have preferred some kind of Superboy Prime whacking at the walls of existence explanation.

It was during Countdown to Final Crisis.

 

[storyteller]

He got it in the last issues when he met a Batman who followed the Jason Todd reasoning to justice(due to jasons Death in that world). It was one of the big things in the promotion. Of course Dc wants to profit off the costume. Why do you think Damien is robin right now. I just want to know how large Tim actually is. At the start in one year later, Tim was basically kid sized. Now less then a year later, in the red robin costume he looks nightwing sized.

 

[spiderbob]

He got it in the last issues when he met a Batman who followed the Jason Todd reasoning to justice(due to jasons Death in that world). It was one of the big things in the promotion. Of course Dc wants to profit off the costume. Why do you think Damien is robin right now. I just want to know how large Tim actually is. At the start in one year later, Tim was basically kid sized. Now less then a year later, in the red robin costume he looks nightwing sized.

And only at 17 years old too. Just think of when he's in his twenties. The kid's going to be like 7'0" tall.

 

[Majic Walrus]

See that's what I don't like about Tim's progression into Red Robin, it wasn't natural at all.

 

[Nivek]

It's funny books.

 

[Nepenthes]

See that's what I don't like about Tim's progression into Red Robin, it wasn't natural at all.

what's unnatural about it?

 

[Majic Walrus]

what's unnatural about it?

I think Tim wasn't given enough time to go from "youngster" to "adult". In his own comic series he still had trouble with a high school girlfriend. He was still in high school!

Now Tim seems to be "the new Dick" with a mind of his own and something to prove he goes on a quest for Bruce Wayne... But he still has to be back before August because he's got to finish High School.

 

[The Guard]

Tim's been acting like an adult in many respects for years. He's had to do a lot of growing up over the last few years. He's a young man who's incredibly mature for his age, just as he always has been.

 

[raybia]

I plan on reading all of Red Robin because I've loved Tim Drake/WAYNE for a long long time, but I'm upset that he has such a crappy name. "Red Robin" sounds like a resturant chain, not a super hero.

Wait until you eat Red Robin and you will change your tune!

 

[Majic Walrus]

Tim's been acting like an adult in many respects for years. He's had to do a lot of growing up over the last few years. He's a young man who's incredibly mature for his age, just as he always has been.

I do see that he's done a lot of character growth over the past years that helps develop him but it doesn't change that he's still a teenager. One of the things I liked so much about him was that he was going through great inner conflicts, emotions, and loss but handling it as a teenager.

To make him an adult so suddenly takes away something from all of that development.

Wait until you eat Red Robin and you will change your tune!

Did I mention that superheroes should not have resturant names. I wonder if Red Robin would sue DC Comics (WB)?

 

[The Guard]

I don't think they've made him an adult, per se, they've made him start thinking like one more, which is a part of growing up. And I wouldn't say it's "sudden". They threw Tim Drake into that mindset with what happened to the Obeah Man, and things have been snowballing ever since, with him being forced to grow more in KNIGHTFALL, NO MAN'S LAND, through Young Justice and The Titans, MURDERER and FUGITIVE, and of course, when his father was killed, as well as countless other events. They've been slowly building to this for years now. Making him someone who recognizes his responsibilities more fully. But let's not pretend that Tim Drake hasn't possessed this element for a long, long time.

They should have just called him "Redbreast".

 

[Majic Walrus]

I don't think they've made him an adult, per se, they've made him start thinking like one more, which is a part of growing up. And I wouldn't say it's "sudden". They threw Tim Drake into that mindset with what happened to the Obeah Man, and things have been snowballing ever since, with him being forced to grow more in KNIGHTFALL, NO MAN'S LAND, through Young Justice and The Titans, MURDERER and FUGITIVE, and of course, when his father was killed, as well as countless other events. They've been slowly building to this for years now. Making him someone who recognizes his responsibilities more fully. But let's not pretend that Tim Drake hasn't possessed this element for a long, long time.

They should have just called him "Redbreast".

No no I would say that he is growing into an adult as far as responsibilities are concerned but I'm talking about his actual age.

 

[The Guard]

Isn't he still 17 or 18?

 

[Majic Walrus]

Isn't he still 17 or 18?

He should be but he doesn't look.

 

[Alfreds Butler]

I think Tony Daniels interpretation of Tim is the closest I have seen to his actual age. He still looks young but mature at the same time, especially that part in RIP when he is hiding out in the diner.

 

[The Guard]

He should be but he doesn't look.

As in, he's too big...what?

Do you have a link to a picture of it?

 

[Nepenthes]

I think Tim wasn't given enough time to go from "youngster" to "adult". In his own comic series he still had trouble with a high school girlfriend. He was still in high school!

Now Tim seems to be "the new Dick" with a mind of his own and something to prove he goes on a quest for Bruce Wayne... But he still has to be back before August because he's got to finish High School.

I just don't see what's overly "adult" about him now he's Red Robin. He's always had a mind of his own and remarkable maturity and resolve. This is the one who deduced Batmans identity, confronted him, and convinced him to take him under apprenticeship....when he was nine years old. He's also been the leader of his own team, the Teen Titans.

This high school soap opera malarkey is just the setting and context for the supporting cast in the Robin title. All titles need a supporting cast. School drama isn't terribly important imo and shouldn't define who he is or how he should behave. He's obviously not a normal teenager.

 

[The Guard]

Agreed.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I just don't see what's overly "adult" about him now he's Red Robin. He's always had a mind of his own and remarkable maturity and resolve. This is the one who deduced Batmans identity, confronted him, and convinced him to take him under apprenticeship....when he was nine years old. He's also been the leader of his own team, the Teen Titans.

This high school soap opera malarkey is just the setting and context for the supporting cast in the Robin title. All titles need a supporting cast. School drama isn't terribly important imo and shouldn't define who he is or how he should behave. He's obviously not a normal teenager.

I totally agree with you on his maturity and resolve. And you're correct the High School drama isn't important and it is just the setting and context for the supporting cast. The setting of a character who is highly intelligent but still not old enough to smoke.

The point of placing Tim in High School situations was to contrast his superhero identity with his secret high schooler identity. It's there because some things are unavoidable. I was a relatively mature and intelligent kid in High School but I still had to deal with it based off of my age. Having Tim be a younger player allowed him to be someone else. His interactions and life are as much a part of his character as anything else. Furthermore I feel like it allowed Tim to be a different character than Dick Grayson.

Now we have an adult character removed from the setting that helped make him special.

 

[boywondernerdDC]

I really enjoyed this issue. I've always been a big fan of Tim Drake (now Tim Wayne) and I can't wait to see how his new story unfolds. To me Tim has always had somewhat of a voice of reason that he follows and now with Bruce gone...everything is sort of unraveling. It's like an extreme form of Tim grieving. I really do hope, as others have said, that he eventually copes and returns to the level-headed kid who cares about everyone and takes on too much at one time. Can't wait for issue #4 the cover is amazing.

 

[Drz]

It's official. Tim is ****ing crazy haha. =D

 

[boywondernerdDC]

Holy crap I'm excited, that is an awesome preview.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

I think I'll have to start picking that up.

I hope I can still get the first issue at my comic shop.