The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition - Part 1

[TheCorpulent1]

Can't speak for the X-Men part of that whole Vulcan business, but Kingbreaker and the other War of Kings stuff is definitely worth reading. It's my second-favorite cosmic event after Annihilation.

World War Hulk was kind of stupid to me. The entire plot is literally just the Hulk being pissed at Reed Richards, Iron Man, and a few others and fighting pretty much everyone in his path. I wouldn't waste the money, personally.

Define "modern." You mean post-Disassembled?

 

[javi1024]

Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar is fine. personally i don't care for the Shi'ar, or whenever the X-Men go into space, but at least it has some really sweet art from Billy Tan (when he was good). everyone seems to keep forgetting to mention 'Emperor Vulcan'. it's the first mini series dealing with Havok and Co. chasing down Vulcan before 'Kingbreaker', both of which were really good.

 

[Panthro]

Can't speak for the X-Men part of that whole Vulcan business, but Kingbreaker and the other War of Kings stuff is definitely worth reading. It's my second-favorite cosmic event after Annihilation.

World War Hulk was kind of stupid to me. The entire plot is literally just the Hulk being pissed at Reed Richards, Iron Man, and a few others and fighting pretty much everyone in his path. I wouldn't waste the money, personally.

Noted. Thanks.

Define "modern." You mean post-Disassembled?

Yeah, post-Disassembled, post-Civil War, thereabouts.

 

[javi1024]

Thanks for the quick responses.

So, is the whole Rise & Fall of the Shi'Ar Empire and Kingbreaker series worth reading?

I'm behind on my Hulk, mostly because I keep hearing negative things about the current Hulk runs, so out of curiosity, is World War Hulk worth reading?

Are there any really good modern Avenger stories worth picking up? Again, I keep hearing negative things which makes me hesitant to invest time and money them.

id followed Bendis's Avengers since Civil War and personally theres nothing worth mentioning and i stopped after Seige. Avenger's Initiative under Dan Slott was excellent if you wanna count that, i highly recommend it. i was completely new to the Avengers world and i had no problems learning who those people were. the only Avengers book im reading now is Secret Avengers. the first arc was pretty weak but im loving this current one (its full of secrets and espionage, my kind of stories).

 

[Manic]

Earth's Mightiest and Unspoken are two good arcs from Mighty Avengers.

And that's literally all I will recommend.

 

[javi1024]

when does Cyclops find out Cable is his son? i just read X-Cutioner's Song for the first time and i thought it was going to be revealed with Stryfe and all his allusions to "his parents' betrayal" but it was never said. there was no acknowledgement during the story (Cable kept calling Scott "Summers") but in the end Scott said something like "I had to lose him...again".

 

[Manic]

According to Wikipedia, Cable was confirmed to be Nathan Christopher Summers in Cable #6 in 1993.

 

[Havok83]

when does Cyclops find out Cable is his son? i just read X-Cutioner's Song for the first time and i thought it was going to be revealed with Stryfe and all his allusions to "his parents' betrayal" but it was never said. there was no acknowledgement during the story (Cable kept calling Scott "Summers") but in the end Scott said something like "I had to lose him...again".

Confirmation on Cable's paternity didnt come till Fathers and Sons, a story that ran through Cable 6-8. Thats when Scott learned the truth

According to Wikipedia, Cable was confirmed to be Nathan Christopher Summers in Cable #6 in 1993.

Sinister told Cable that he was the true son of Scott and Madelyne, not the clone (which he thought and the rest suspected at the time) in #6. Domino told Scott of this in #7 and it was confimed by Zero and Askani in #8

 

[Panthro]

And the Marvel guys thought Madelyne Pryor was a good idea... why?

 

[Havok83]

bc Jean Grey was dead. Claremont created her as a replacement Jean bc editorial stepped in and had him kill her off in the Dark Phoenix Saga (which wasnt his original intention). Maddie was created as a plot point to get Scott to retire and it worked. It didnt get messy till they decided to resurrect Jean, which to them meant, they had to get rid of Maddie bc Marvel doesnt seem to like clones. Most go evil, get killed off or both

 

[javi1024]

And the Marvel guys thought Madelyne Pryor was a good idea... why?

Maddie was a good idea and lent for some great stories/plots in the 80s. you should check out Inferno some time. i didnt follow her after her resurrection/second death but i never heard good things anyway (Sisterhood being the most recent example).

 

[JewishHobbit]

So, is the whole Rise & Fall of the Shi'Ar Empire and Kingbreaker series worth reading?

Yes! I loved the entire run. Here is the reading order:

Uncanny X-Men 466-471 (End of the Greys) This isn't Vulcan related as much as Shi'ar related so it's a good prologue and ties in later.
X-Men: Deadly Genesis 1-6
Uncanny X-Men 475-486 (Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire)
Emperer Vulcan 1-5
X-Men: Kingbreaker 1-4
Secret Invasion: War of Kings Oneshot
War of Kings 1-6
War of Kings: Who Will Rule? Oneshot

I'm behind on my Hulk, mostly because I keep hearing negative things about the current Hulk runs, so out of curiosity, is World War Hulk worth reading?

I enjoyed WWH, and there's been some complaints on Red Hulk but for the most part I've found the Hulk line to be fantastic. Now is the only time I've ever actually really enjoyed it. I've found it to be amazing myself, with a few hicups here and there.

I like the Red Hulk stuff myself but it's not for everyone. Dodging some of the Red Hulk stuff and only including what's necessary I'd suggest reading:

Planet Hulk
World War Hulk 1-5
World War Hulk: Warbound 1-5 (not necessary but is referenced a lot)
Hulk 1-6 (Red Hulk and other important reasons)
Skaar: Son of Hulk 1-12
Incredible Hulk 600
Hulk 14-17 (Important for Red She Hulk's introduction)
Incredible Hulk 601-605
Hulk 18

This is what I'd recommend for hulk post WWH, though there's more you can read if you like that becomes a factor later (Son of Hulk 13-17, Realm of Kings: Son of Hulk 1-4, The All New Savage She-Hulk 1-4, Hulk 7-13) but for now you can dodge that. The Son of Hulk stuff post Skaar comes up right after the above listed so it's up to you if you want to lead into that.

After Hulk 18 comes Fall of the Hulks and World War Hulks, which go back and forth between Hulk and Incredible Hulk. The Inc. Hulk issues are fantastic and the Hulk issues are medicre. After that I dropped Hulk but I hear Parker's done a good job with it. Incredible Hulk has been fantastic though

Are there any really good modern Avenger stories worth picking up? Again, I keep hearing negative things which makes me hesitant to invest time and money them.

Post Civil War... it's hard to say. It'll all roles one into the other so just picking out specific stories is hard, and a lot of people aren't fans of Bendis's run. I do recommend Slott's Mighty Avengers (issue 21-36) and the entire run of Avengers: The Initiative. Those were both on the side of the core Avengers stuff but VERY good.

 

[Manic]

Nobody should ever read Sisterhood. It's not even consistent with Maddy's history.

 

[JewishHobbit]

She was good until her story "ended" in Inferno. Then she came back in the 90's when X-Man came to the 616 from the Age of Apocalypse but it never realy felt that special, despite some development, and I don't even recall what happened to her.

Then came Sisterhood... which sucked.

 

[Panthro]

It just seems that in the long run the presence of Madelyne Pryor as a character caused more problems than her presence ultimately solved (yeah, I know, bad decision making by the powers that were). Surely there were better things to do with a post-X-Men Cyclops than have him settle down with a Jean lookalike? If Claremont wanted to give Cyclops a new girlfriend so he could retire etc., the least he could have done was not have her look like Jean.

Jewish Hobbit - thanks for the breakdown.

Manic & Javi - I'll keep those in mind. Pretty much everyone I talk to outisde the SHH forums seem to agree that Bendis ruined the Avengers, so I'm still a bit wary.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll echo the Slott's Mighty Avengers and Avengers: The Initiative recommendations. Also, if you're looking for Hulk stuff in general, I'd say stick with Planet Hulk. Great story with terrible follow-ups.

 

[Havok83]

She was good until her story "ended" in Inferno. Then she came back in the 90's when X-Man came to the 616 from the Age of Apocalypse but it never realy felt that special, despite some development, and I don't even recall what happened to her.

that wasnt Madelyne Pryor. Her existence was later retconned away when they revealed that woman as being an alternate reality Jean Grey.

 

[javi1024]

Nobody should ever read Sisterhood. It's not even consistent with Maddy's history.

what did Maddie do when she came back in the 90s...besides try to bang her alternate reality son. howd she come back in the first place?

 

[Manic]

If anyone's got the time, UncannyXmen.net has Maddy's detailed history all written up.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=65&page=2

 

[Manic]

If anyone's got the time, UncannyXmen.net has Maddy's detailed history all written up.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=65&page=2

 

[JewishHobbit]

that wasnt Madelyne Pryor. Her existence was later retconned away when they revealed that woman as being an alternate reality Jean Grey.

My memory tells me that alternate reality Jean Grey was supposed to have replaced that Madelyne Pryor at some point and we were led to believe she killed her... but my memory sucks.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Tron Bonne's mean

The truth is often mean

I read the first issue. It was all right. I don't really see why it engenders such slavish devotion in people, though. Maybe I have to read a whole arc to find that out.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know; I was pretty hooked from the beginning, but it builds more and more as it goes.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I've never even skimmed an issue of Cassanova... so there.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, well, you read X-Men

Spoiler

I went there

 

[JewishHobbit]

And I eat meat