The official SUPERMAN/BATMAN discussion thread

[TheCorpulent1]

You're learning how it works.

Since you were nice this time, however, I'll discuss the matter intelligently. Maybe it just feels like Supernova's at an impasse because there aren't really many mysteries that they're milking purely as mysteries in 52 besides Supernova. The other mysteries have unfolded or are unfolding into continuing stories nicely. It's just Supernova that seems to be throwing one incredibly obtuse clue out every third or fourth week and then throwing up a brick wall of nothingness. Ralph's progressed from his suicidal beginning to full-on psychosis to angry magical journeyman. We've seen who's got the mad scientists, where they're being kept, and what they're doing. Black Adam's story is progressing smoothly with Montoya and the Question in tow as often as not. Booster's died and Skeets has been revealed as a villain (whether this still ties into Supernova like it did when Booster was alive and jealous of him remains to be seen). Lots of development on the Everyman/Lex/Steel front. But Supernova just seems to be ignored more often than not.

 

[Darthphere]

Is Verheiden writing this?

 

[droogiedroogie2]

You're learning how it works.

Since you were nice this time, however, I'll discuss the matter intelligently. Maybe it just feels like Supernova's at an impasse because there aren't really many mysteries that they're milking purely as mysteries in 52 besides Supernova. The other mysteries have unfolded or are unfolding into continuing stories nicely. It's just Supernova that seems to be throwing one incredibly obtuse clue out every third or fourth week and then throwing up a brick wall of nothingness. Ralph's progressed from his suicidal beginning to full-on psychosis to angry magical journeyman. We've seen who's got the mad scientists, where they're being kept, and what they're doing. Black Adam's story is progressing smoothly with Montoya and the Question in tow as often as not. Booster's died and Skeets has been revealed as a villain (whether this still ties into Supernova like it did when Booster was alive and jealous of him remains to be seen). Lots of development on the Everyman/Lex/Steel front. But Supernova just seems to be ignored more often than not.

Huh. It has a mind after all. So all this time, you've just been refusing to discuss anything with an iota of sense, because people aren't NICE to you? Did you just get a few too many swirlies from the jocks in middle school, or what? Coming from someone with so little respect for the opinions of others, this rings a little strange.

 

[Purple Man]

Hmm, I think the deal with Supernova is that the mystery is only a bit part. His only real story is that he's a new super hero that no one knows the identity of. This time us the readers are being left out of the loop as well.

Like Batwoman, Supernova hasn't had his time to shine yet. The early introduction was probably just to establish the short lived feud with Booster before his demise.

We still got twenty eight weeks to go! It's gonna be a hell of a ride!

 

[Tropico]

You're learning how it works.

Since you were nice this time, however, I'll discuss the matter intelligently.

LOL, you got confused on posters. Too bad youcan't take it back.t:

 

[Binker]

ANNUAL review:

SPOILERS INCLUDED

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PLOT:
How did Superman and Batman discover each other's secret identities? Why was Deathstroke after Bruce Wayne on one of his earliest assignments? How do Ultraman and Owlman fit into this? And why are they all on a cruise into the Bermuda Triangle?

REVIEW:
As we take a break from the current arc of the series, we're offered an annual issue for the wait. As the plot said, this is basically a recap of the characters and their history. Not from the Superman/Batman series itself, but from the DCU continunity. But at the same time, the tagline on the cover "A Re-Imagined Story" and the certain things from this issue, that leds to the idea that maybe its not part of the continunity. So is it part of the main continunity? Maybe. Is it not? Maybe. The reason why the same answer is given is because I think it falls with not just DC Comics but you guys as well.

Again, SPOILERS INCLUDED since this gives away the whole annual.

The story is like this: for some time now, Superman & Batman have appeared together yet don't know each other's identities but swear to each other than each will know. Clark & Lois go on a cruise in route to the Bermuda Triangle and as it turns out, so is Bruce Wayne. In the first comedic/comedy bits, the computer messed up their rooms and while Lois gets her own room, Bruce and Clark have to sleep in the same bed. While Clark & Lois dance later that night, Bruce cuts in and Deeathstroke (on assignment to kill Wayne) gives Bruce a poisoned drink, only to saved by Clark via heat vision. Clark & Bruce can't sleep (for good reason) and a huge noise is heard and big lights are around the ship. Bruce and Clark try to make excuses to leave but then Bruce decides to knock Clark out with a tranquilizer gun but the tranquilizer bounces off, both of them know how the other is.

Then things turn strange when someone looking like Deathstroke (whose costume in negetive brighter colors) enters their room followed by the real Deathstroke. Outside, Lois sees what she thinks is Superman & Batman together, but its actually Ultraman & Owlman from Earth 3, with Ultraman fighting Superman, Owlman kissing Lois thinking she's Superwoman from Earth 3, while the actual Superwoman attacks Bruce. All the crazy things later, Batman uses his batboat to zap Ultraman with kryptonite and the Earth 3 characters are forced back home. At the end, its reveal Mr. Mxyzptlk, talking to a bizarro publisher, planned the whole situation because he says today's stories need angst as he holds up a silver age Superman issue: Superman #76.

So y'see what I mean? Did it really happen or not? We don't know. So until we hear something from DC, its up to us to say wheather we believe it to be real or not.

But how was the issue itself? It was good. It had funny moments that made you laugh (out loud or silently) when you read it. It had action and you had our Earth-1 World's Finest fighting the Earth-3 World's Finest. The art was done by Ed McGuinness and whe I was reading it, I was stuck down by the story. So the art was fine in my opinion.

Overall, this series' first annual was actually a good one. I liked it, it was funny, exciting, and we're left with questions of wheather or not this is actually in DCU continunity. Of course, if not DC, we still have the two new books coming: Superman Confidential & Batman Confidential, that deals with their early years.

RATING: 8/10

 

[Purple Man]

The anti-matter Deathstroke was as close as DC could possibly get to imitating Deadpool, who was as close as Marvel could get to imitating Deathstroke, so it all goes in confusing circles.

Between the double splash and the last page, this was one of the few super hero books where I nearly laughed out loud. We need more fun stories like this. Definitly warranted an annual.

Eds art seemed off without Dexter Vines backing him off but did not detract at all from an excellent story.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I just loved seeing the Titan's Tomorrow. It was nice to have Conner back even if only for a couple of pages.

 

[Docker2.0]

I loved this annual only becuase of the appearance of Deadpool. It was DC's way to take Marvel's bite of Deathstroke to make Deadpool. They did it in a fun way.

 

[Darthphere]

The anti-matter Deathstroke was as close as DC could possibly get to imitating Deadpool, who was as close as Marvel could get to imitating Deathstroke, so it all goes in confusing circles.

Between the double splash and the last page, this was one of the few super hero books where I nearly laughed out loud. We need more fun stories like this. Definitly warranted an annual.

Eds art seemed off without Dexter Vines backing him off but did not detract at all from an excellent story.

Dexter Vines worked on this book.


Either way, I love S/B, fun crazy ass stories.

 

[Bullseye]

S/B Annual is the last S/B issue I will pick up. Or whenever Van Sciver leaves the title I will drop S/B from my pull list.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I loved this annual only becuase of the appearance of Deadpool. It was DC's way to take Marvel's bite of Deathstroke to make Deadpool. They did it in a fun way.

It was espically good since it was written by Deadpool's creator, Joe Kelly. t:

I loved it--great mix of cool action and clever comedy.

 

[The Leaguer]

It was espically good since it was written by Deadpool's creator, Joe Kelly. t:

I loved it--great mix of cool action and clever comedy.

Kelly didn't create Deadpool.

Liefeld did.

 

[Lobo]

S/B Annual is the last S/B issue I will pick up. Or whenever Van Sciver leaves the title I will drop S/B from my pull list.

Matthew Clark is going to be doing the art soon.

I loved the annual it was just a fun book, I especially loved Mxy's line about the 'Civil crisis of identical wars't:

 

[cerealkiller182]

I was impressed with the Deadpool double. It was actually very well-written in regards to DP.

 

[supermarvelman]

I loved him, to bad he didnt get to say his name.

 

[batnkevlar]

Haha, he fell over or something...

 

[The Leaguer]

This annual was one of the best comics I've read in a long, long time.

 

[sethcohen]

anyone get the new issue? i have loved this story so far, but this issue pissed me off... could Bats have been more out of character?

Spoiler

you mean to tell me he was unwilling to use a nuke on the white martians but now hell nuke some other race? wtf? what happened to not killing?

the art was fantastic though!

 

[Mee]

Batman nuked some aliens?

 

[sethcohen]

a) dude... i used spoilertags for a reason... dont be a jerk

b)

Spoiler

he was going to, supes talked him out of it...

 

[Mee]

Haha, either way, that's stupid. Especially since post-Crisis Bats is suposed to be a mo nicer mo gooder Bats.

 

[Steelsheen]

Black Rock Batman is so badass! thats what i loved most about these issues. overall it was a good run, started off pretty strong but for some reason it kinda faltered at some parts towards the end, specially how Superman and Batman shook off the effects of the Black Rock, maybe its just me but i couldnt believe it could be that simple: Supes going sentimental and Bats being beaten the crap out, then going sentimental. anyway i appreciate the fact that Batman is addressing his trust issues relative to his friendship with Superman and that he's making efforts to make ammends.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

anyone get the new issue? i have loved this story so far, but this issue pissed me off... could Bats have been more out of character?

Spoiler

you mean to tell me he was unwilling to use a nuke on the white martians but now hell nuke some other race? wtf? what happened to not killing?

the art was fantastic though!

Huh. That is very out of character for him. Of course, [blackout]Nightwing was willing to let innocents be killed in service to an Outsiders mission and happily tagged along with Montoya in 52 while she killed the people they were fighting without saying a word, so maybe the whole Bat-family's morals have changed. That'd be lame, but it'd explain the seeming inconsistency between the staunchly anti-killing Batman of a few years ago and the current Batman and Nightwing.[/blackout]

 

[sethcohen]

know what else would explain that shiz? [BLACKOUT]bad writing[/BLACKOUT]