The Official Superman Score & Soundtrack Thread - Part 1

[ThePhantasm]

Someone may be screwing with Imdb again, but John Williams is listed as the composer of MOS...not that I would be against it.

That would be wonderful beyond my wildest dreams.

 

[Superman_200]

Howard and Zimmer were asked to no end if they were eventually do a more Elfman-esque score for Batman. Elfman was never "out-done" by them. nevertheless they did a good job and all what the movies required.

I don't think that the Batman theme is as much of a challenge though as the Superman theme. No offense to anyone who likes Batman better, but Superman is the elephant in the room. I don't think a Batman movie has to be as good as a Superman movie, maybe because there have been so many Batman movie since the one with Michael Keaton. But Batman doesn't feel as special as Superman. I don't think his story is as rich as Superman's and the character itself is not as dramatic as Superman.

Batman is a man, and Superman is supposed to be like a god among ants. He should have the most dramatic theme, and the best movies and the most action. Unfortunately it hasn't been that way, but I am hoping this time around, it will finally happen for Superman.

 

[Dark Knight]

Someone may be screwing with Imdb again, but John Williams is listed as the composer of MOS...not that I would be against it.

Last I saw IMDB has Bates listed in the music department section. I don't think that decision has been finalized though.

I would Snyder, Nolan, the rest of the producers and WB's have a shortlist of composers ready and have come up with some samples of what they have in mind for the MOS score.

 

[Superman_200]

Last I saw IMDB has Bates listed in the music department section. I don't think that decision has been finalized though.

I would Snyder, Nolan, the rest of the producers and WB's have a shortlist of composers ready and have come up with some samples of what they have in mind for the MOS score.

But they have this on there too:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770828/fullcredits#cast

Original Music by

John Williams

 

[El Payaso]

I don't think that the Batman theme is as much of a challenge though as the Superman theme. No offense to anyone who likes Batman better, but Superman is the elephant in the room. I don't think a Batman movie has to be as good as a Superman movie, maybe because there have been so many Batman movie since the one with Michael Keaton. But Batman doesn't feel as special as Superman. I don't think his story is as rich as Superman's and the character itself is not as dramatic as Superman.

The character being better, the story being more dramatic and specially the score being better are not only subjective opinions but NOTHING to do with my point.

I just said that Zimmer and Howard were still asked to do a more Elfman score, regardless of its popularity, quality or whatever. That happened because people like Elfman score more than the Howard-Zimmer's (again. regardless of Williams' quality).

And that means that - no matter the popularity/quality/whatever of the previous score - the new one was good for the new vision and I'm glad they tried it instead of sticking to a previous franchise's material without being afraid of become 'less popular/suiccessful/whatever.'

Batman is a man, and Superman is supposed to be like a god among ants. He should have the most dramatic theme, and the best movies and the most action. Unfortunately it hasn't been that way, but I am hoping this time around, it will finally happen for Superman.

Superman is a fictional character - just as Batman - and as such, his adaptations should have proper scores. Nobody will pray God himself to compose the new score because Superman is supposed to be a God.

 

[Lily Adler]

To the IMDb comments. Have you seen the MOS board? I'd take a gallon of salt when it comes to that particular page.

 

[Alonsovich]

Do I hear Danny Elfman?

Well he was attached twice to Superman with Burton and Ratner. I'm pretty sure Elfman ALREADY has a Superman theme developed, it's just that it stayed in his sketch book because of both projects falling apart. Regardless of who, I think WB will want a big name scoring Superman, like with GL and Batman. Expect a Shore, Horner, Zimmer, Elfman or something like that for this film. Bates will possibly not be allowed near this film just like David Julyan wasn't allowed near Batman despite being Nolan's composer at the time.

 

[Marvin]

If james horner does spiderman it's a wrap, he's been responsible for some of the most culturally memorable/movie music ever.

I dare him/them

 

[Lily Adler]

Just to let the Disney fans have a laugh, how about Alan Menken?

 

[mclay18]

That would be wonderful beyond my wildest dreams.

I'm almost 99% sure that won't happen. Unless WB, Nolan and Snyder pulled some strings and begged on their hands and knees for Williams to score the movie. Williams is semi-retired now, and that IMDB entry won't hold once the REAL composer is announced.

 

[Elevator Man]

He needs to redeem himself. I'd like to see him try, hehe.

Redeem himself? How? And for what reason exactly? He's been writing some great scores (I'm not going to name them all) in the past decade like POTA (2001), Spider-man 1 and 2, Hulk, Red Dragon, Big Fish, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, Standard Operating Procedure, Wanted, Hellboy II the Golden Army, The Wolfman (2010), Alice in Wonderland (2010) etc,etc. I don't get the whole redeem himself comment. He's been doing just fine. And really has matured as a film composer since his Batman/Scissorhands/Nightmare Before Christmas days.

If james horner does spiderman it's a wrap, he's been responsible for some of the most culturally memorable/movie music ever.

I dare him/them

A lot of those memorable scores he's written were many, many, many years ago. And have since been recycled in many of his scores. Those days are pretty much behind him. But I'm willing to give Horner the benefit of the doubt. At least they're talking to him and not Zimmer and his cronies.

 

[Lily Adler]

I've found some of the Elfman scores you listed kind of forgettable. Elfman is talented, but isn't as memorable as he once was, IMO.

 

[Elevator Man]

I've found some of the Elfman scores you listed kind of forgettable. Elfman is talented, but isn't as memorable as he once was, IMO.

How is Elfman's Willy Wonka score "forgettable". "Wonka's Welcome Song" is very catchy. And is one of those songs that stays in your head that it becomes annoying (I didn't find it one bit annoying though). Charlie and Wonka both had memorable themes in Elfman's score. Corpse Bride has another memorable melody (the one that plays in the opening and end credits as well as when Victor plays on the piano somewhere in the beginning of the movie) from Elfman. "Alice's Theme" from Alice in Wonderland is one of the most memorable themes in the last decade, imo. As well as one of Elfman's most memorable themes too, imo. Although Red Dragon is a really dense score. The Red Dragon theme is very memorable and blows Zimmer's Joker theme out of the water to the point that it's pathetic. Wanted had a very catchy theme for Wesley's character. Heck was even used as a ringtone for one of the characters in the film. As well as in Elfman's "Little Things" song for the film. Standard Operating Procedure has another memorable theme that's called the S.O.P. theme. The Wolfman (2010) has one as well and was even used in the trailer of Gary Oldman's new movie "Tinker,Tailor, Soldier, Spy". And was very effective in it. I can go and on but won't. A lot of those themes stay with me after I listen to them and when I think about the scores themselves. Sometimes the themes play in my head at random during different times in the day without even listening to the score for a while.

Sure most of Elfman's scores in the last decade are dense and textural (even his superhero ones) but people like yourself seem to mistake that as forgettable. I'm talking about not recognising the theme automatically as you're listening to it (eventhough it's there) and call it forgettable. I like it that he doesn't throw the themes right in your face (eventhough it is but is just disguised or buried in texture). And doesn't make it easy for you to find the themes. It makes it less repetitive and more complex. And grabs my attention throughout. It's also more rewarding in the end once you know the themes. You tend to find more things that you didn't find before after more listens. At least I do anyway. But you have to look for 'em. The themes tend to be right in front of your face but some don't realise it because of how textural and dense the themes (and use of 'em) are.

I know it's your opinion but I strongly disagree with you.

 

[Naite22]

Anybody else than Danny ****ing Elfman! The guy is too depressing! And I don't care if this is the 21'st century. They SHOULD incorporate the original superman theme, dammit! You just don't switch that out. It would be like removing the star wars theme from star wars. Just can't have it :-(

PS.
Of course, if I had it my way, I'd take Hans Zimmer any day of the week, and twice on sundays! But I guess that'll never happen huh? He's too bussy with TDKR, I guess.

 

[Elevator Man]

Anybody else than Danny ****ing Elfman! The guy is too depressing! And I don't care if this is the 21'st century. They SHOULD incorporate the original superman theme, dammit! You just don't switch that out. It would be like removing the star wars theme from star wars. Just can't have it :-(

Elfman is capable of writing more than just depressing and dark music. For example, "Spiderman 1 and 2", "Charlie & the Chocolate Factory", "Nacho Libre", "Charlotte's Web" (2006), "Meet the Robinsons", "Taking Woodstock". Besides I wasn't suggesting Elfman to score MOS. I won't lose sleep if he's hired or not. I was just defending his recents scores from another poster.

Of course, if I had it my way, I'd take Hans Zimmer any day of the week, and twice on sundays! But I guess that'll never happen huh? He's too bussy with TDKR, I guess.

Thank goodness you don't. If TPTB want his typical and generic MV/RC sound design that can be heard in some of his previous action scores. Then by all means hire him. Otherwise look somewhere else completely.

And LOL. You call Elfman depressing when Zimmer's Batman scores are nothing but depressing.

 

[Alonsovich]

In all fairness even Elfman tried to do a Zimmer-esque score in Terminator Salvation...

 

[Elevator Man]

In all fairness even Elfman tried to do a Zimmer-esque score in Terminator Salvation...

You mean Fiedel-esque score. Eventhough he didn't use the iconic theme.

 

[Alonsovich]

You mean Fiedel-esque score. Eventhough he didn't use the iconic theme.

No, I did mean Zimmer-esque, and it sounds like it. By the way, the rhythmic structure of Elfman's theme is the same as Fiedel (the short-short-long pattern) so technically he did use elements of it, despite having a Zimmer vibe to the whole thing...

 

[Elevator Man]

No, I did mean Zimmer-esque, and it sounds like it.

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You think that's Zimmer-esque then you need a reality check. B/c if that's Zimmer-esque then thats better than any Zimmer action score I've heard. Yeah I said that.

 

[Lily Adler]

When it comes to Danny Elfman, no one is safe from Elevator Man's wrath.

 

[Elevator Man]

When it comes to Danny Elfman, no one is safe from Elevator Man's wrath.

You're just ticked b/c you couldn't (and still haven't) backed up you opinion about Elfman's scores being "forgettable". Anyway's I'll get back on topic.

 

[Lily Adler]

Okay...

 

[Alonsovich]

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You think that's Zimmer-esque then you need a reality check. B/c if that's Zimmer-esque then thats better than any Zimmer action score I've heard. Yeah I said that.

I could reply with your same vid and reality check comment but I'll refrain from it. Yes I said that too.

 

[Alonsovich]

You're just ticked b/c you couldn't (and still haven't) backed up you opinion about Elfman's scores being "forgettable". Anyway's I'll get back on topic.

And you're just provoking others for the sake of it. Like some pages ago when you called someone deaf that actually had problems with it and despite that had a certain degree of success with film music despite his condition. You need to lighten up seriously.

 

[Elevator Man]

And you're just provoking others for the sake of it. Like some pages ago when you called someone deaf that actually had problems with it and despite that had a certain degree of success with film music despite his condition. You need to lighten up seriously.

Just like you're trying to provoke me. Just drop it already. We've been off topic long enough.