The Official Superman Thread - Part 1

[Mystirious]

Paul Cornell's conclusion to the story was absolutely fantastic and i really liked how everyone who was part of it took a cameo of sorts at the end. Lex Luthor was at his most Luthor and Superman seems to be very well written by Cornell, can dig! David S. Goyer's story renewed my fan hopes for Man of Steel movie even further while also making me wish Pre-Crisis Superman being a citizen of every nation was canon as well, but yeah Superman is and always should be seen as a global hero. The other stories we're really cute especially Geoff Johns little party thing for Clark to make him relax and Lindelof managed to not make his story too melodramatic or anything.

I thought this was definitely one of the best confrintations between Lex and Superman that i have read it was a fab conclusion to the Black Ring story both the story and the art were fab and I loved how Superman was written I have a very good feeling about future issues of this comic

 

[roach]

This picture shows why he is always associated with America because usually you always see Superman in pictures holding the American flag or the flag is usually in the picture somewhere up until recently.

Superman was always proud to be american...its just his actions never were considered an extention of the US Government

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I can understand Superman not wanting to be America's mascot. It's almost like how the US doesn't want places like Iran to have nuclear weapons. It's not about hating America, it's about not playing favorites when the consequences could cause a lot of paranoia and distrust and even start wars. It's not fair for one godlike man to be waving the flag of one nation. Captain America can, he may be at the peak of human physical and mental perfection but his abilities aren't beyond human capabilities, so he's not as potentially dangerous.

 

[Superman_]

Superman was always proud to be american...its just his actions never were considered an extention of the US Government

No but thats why it was always viewed as such by some readers and I guess you can say by some people in the comics. I guess.

 

[roach]

I can understand Superman not wanting to be America's mascot. It's almost like how the US doesn't want places like Iran to have nuclear weapons. It's not about hating America, it's about not playing favorites when the consequences could cause a lot of paranoia and distrust and even start wars. It's not fair for one godlike man to be waving the flag of one nation. Captain America can, he may be at the peak of human physical and mental perfection but his abilities aren't beyond human capabilities, so he's not as potentially dangerous.

but he was never America's mascot.
He was never the lackey of the government..unless it was in the future
at no time in the comics did anyone see his actions as being the actions of the US Government
So while I agree that Superman is bigger than one country this action to renounce his citizenship becausse he doesnt want to be America's mascot makes no sense.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

but he was never America's mascot.
He was never the lackey of the government..unless it was in the future
at no time in the comics did anyone see his actions as being the actions of the US Government
So while I agree that Superman is bigger than one country this action to renounce his citizenship becausse he doesnt want to be America's mascot makes no sense.

I wonder why he would have an American citizenship in the first place, though. Nobody knows where he lives, and at best, people know he originated on another planet and maybe they know he has a place in the Arctic, depending on the continuity. It's not as if everyone knows he's Clark Kent from Smallville, Kansas.

 

[roach]

what many people fail to realize is that Superman/Clark Kent is an American citizen. He went to school in the US, he works in the US...hell he even has a social security number. He lives in and defends Metropolis, USA

 

[Lead Cenobite]

what many people fail to realize is that Superman/Clark Kent is an American citizen. He went to school in the US, he works in the US...hell he even has a social security number. He lives in and defends Metropolis, USA

Does the life of Clark Kent count for Superman though? People are supposed to be under the impression that they're two different people.

 

[Anubis]

Well, he could always hang out mainly in Tajikistan instead of Metropolis for a few years.

 

[roach]

im sure if Lady Gaga renounced her citizenship it would also apply to Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta.
Im also sure when Boy George went to prison so did George Alan O'Dowd

 

[Tron Bonne]

I didn't realize those were secret identities

 

[roach]

few people do

 

[Willi Berg]

The life support story was heartwarming and bittersweet, between Jor-El and his younger brother Zor-El.

I don't think it is Zor-El. It was a scientist who was highly recommended to Jor-El.

Spoiler

That's a problem I had with that story, that Jor-El hires another scientist to build Kal-El's rocketship, instead of doing it himself.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I don't think it is Zor-El. It was a scientist who was highly recommended to Jor-El.

Spoiler

That's a problem I had with that story, that Jor-El hires another scientist to build Kal-El's rocketship, instead of doing it himself.

Spoiler

He never asked him to build the ship, just figure out how to get the necessities into that ball.

 

[Mystirious]

Superman renouncing his US citizenship does not bother me

But it makes no sense whatsoever for an alien superhero to have citizenship anywhere

He flies all over the world. He has spent time in every continent on earth. That scene makes no sense

 

[Willi Berg]

Spoiler

He never asked him to build the ship, just figure out how to get the necessities into that ball.

Spoiler

Oh, okay. But I always imagined that Jor-El figured all that out for himself, since he is a scientist. And I'm also used to the idea of Jor-El keeping the building of the ship to himself and his family. He also reveals to the scientist that he's going to try to save his own child. I just imagine Jor-El working on all this on his own in secret.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Spoiler

Oh, okay. But I always imagined that Jor-El figured all that out for himself, since he is a scientist. And I'm also used to the idea of Jor-El keeping the building of the ship to himself and his family. He also reveals to the scientist that he's going to try to save his own child. I just imagine Jor-El working on all this on his own in secret.

Spoiler

I had a problem with that last part. We learn that Jor-El farmed this one task out to some other scientist, which is fine. But then we also learn that the other scientist has his own child and he realizes that Jor-El knows the world is going to end. Why wouldn't this other scientist be like, "Screw your project, I'm building my own kid a ship"? Why beg for just one night to say goodbye to his own child rather than actively doing something to protect her? It didn't make sense to me, especially since part of the story hinges on Jor-El's steadfast refusal to let his own child die with Krypton. What, Jor-El is the only good parent on Krypton? I really wanted to like the story because there's a lovely sentimental element to it, but it falls completely apart for me when I apply any kind of logic to it.

 

[roach]

Superman renouncing his US citizenship does not bother me

But it makes no sense whatsoever for an alien superhero to have citizenship anywhere

He flies all over the world. He has spent time in every continent on earth. That scene makes no sense

see the issue is that you are concentrating on the alien part when he isnt truely an alien....he was raised as an earthling american...and depending on which origin you put faith in doesnt find out about his alien background until later on in life.
I'm a black man. My long long long relatives were from africa but I was raised as an american...do I see myself more and an african or american?

 

[Superman 1265]

Has anyone here seen this:

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[roach]

Has anyone here seen this:

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funny but the voices are a little off

 

[Superman 1265]

Bugs Bunny's my favorite Looney Tunes character, and Superman is my favorite superhero. Combining the two was just .

BTW:

Spoiler

Daffy's Batman.

 

[JTStarkiller]

That Daffy concentrating bit made me laugh.

 

[Spike_x1]

Superman renouncing his US citizenship does not bother me

But it makes no sense whatsoever for an alien superhero to have citizenship anywhere

He flies all over the world. He has spent time in every continent on earth. That scene makes no sense

see the issue is that you are concentrating on the alien part when he isnt truely an alien....he was raised as an earthling american...and depending on which origin you put faith in doesnt find out about his alien background until later on in life.
I'm a black man. My long long long relatives were from africa but I was raised as an american...do I see myself more and an african or american?

I don't think Mystirious is concentrating too much on the alien aspect and I agree with him. Just replace the single instance of the word "alien" in his quote with the word "global," and you get the same message, unless I missed Mystirious' intent. There's no reason for the public persona of Superman to have citizenship anywhere in the first place, considering he has always operated on a global scale. Being an alien has nothing to do with it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Mysti's a ladyperson.

 

[Spike_x1]

Tomato, tomawto