The Official Superman Thread - Part 2

[hippie_hunter]

The simple fact is that we're not going to know how it's going to work out until the books are released. No reason to stress about it until then.

Except DC has explained how most of their new continuity will work.

- Batman is going to be mostly unchanged from what Grant Morrison set forth, who writes Batman as a 15 year veteran. Hell, the deaging that DC says they want to occur won't even happen here on account that Morrison pretty much already deaged Bruce and Dick by about 5 years on his run on the various Batman books he's worked on. Everything that has happened with Batman, remains in effect.

- Superman is now the first superhero in existence, meaning that Action Comics will probably be set waaaaaay more than 5 years in the past like Justice League is. Especially since Superman is in his Kryptonian armor costume as opposed to his t-shirt and jeans costume in Action Comics. Some Superman stories though such as the Death of Superman, remain in continuity of some sorts.

- Green Lantern, Aquaman, the Flash, Green Arrow, and a couple of others will carry on, unchanged like Batman.

- Mostly everything else from the origins of the Justice League, to Wonder Woman, to the Teen Titans appear to get getting overhauls the way Superman is getting.

 

[Anubis]

Except DC has explained how most of their new continuity will work.

- Batman is going to be mostly unchanged from what Grant Morrison set forth, who writes Batman as a 15 year veteran. Hell, the deaging that DC says they want to occur won't even happen here on account that Morrison pretty much already deaged Bruce and Dick by about 5 years on his run on the various Batman books he's worked on. Everything that has happened with Batman, remains in effect.

- Superman is now the first superhero in existence, meaning that Action Comics will probably be set waaaaaay more than 5 years in the past like Justice League is. Especially since Superman is in his Kryptonian armor costume as opposed to his t-shirt and jeans costume in Action Comics. Some Superman stories though such as the Death of Superman, remain in continuity of some sorts.

- Green Lantern, Aquaman, the Flash, Green Arrow, and a couple of others will carry on, unchanged like Batman.

- Mostly everything else from the origins of the Justice League, to Wonder Woman, to the Teen Titans appear to get getting overhauls the way Superman is getting.

That doesn't jive with what Didio said. He said that Action takes place just five years in the past. If he's the first superhero, then that means that everything else gets crammed into five years.


As far as Bat's Everything recent is in for sure. As in all the s**t Morrison did. What about Knightfall? No man's land? etc? They don't mention that s**t.

So is Batman 10 years ahead of the rest of the DCnU? Or are they just gonna cram all that into the 5. 4 if it's true that he was dead for a year.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I really hope No Man's Land is still in continuity. I love that entire thing.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Everything recent. As in all the s**t Morrison did. What about Knightfall? No man's land? etc? They don't mention that s**t.

I'm pretty sure that No Man's Land has been mentioned in Snyder's Gates of Gotham. And Snyder has come out to say that nothing of his is being affected by the upcoming revamp. Batman will be mostly untouched so expect No Man's Land, Knightfall, etc. to remain in continuity.

So is Batman 10 years ahead of the rest of the DCnU?

No. Action Comics is not set 5 years in the past the way Justice League is. It's probably set at least 10 to 15 years in the past since Superman is the first superhero in the DCnU. He debuts before Batman.

Other heroes such as Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Green Arrow will probably have nearly as much veteran experience that Batman does considering that they aren't getting changed much either.

Who the hell knows with Wonder Woman though. They haven't really explained her yet.

 

[Anubis]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-didio-lee-explain-superman-changes-110718.html

DiDio said Action Comics by Grant Morrison and Rags Morales will take place five years in the past at the "dawn of the age of superheroes,

Boosh!

 

[hippie_hunter]

That doesn't jive with what Didio said. He said that Action takes place just five years in the past. If he's the first superhero, then that means that everything else gets crammed into five years.

What DiDio has said doesn't jive at all with what is actually going on in the books.

Justice League is set 5 years in the past where Superman has his Kryptonian armor costume. If Action Comics were set 5 years in the past, he should have the same Kryptonian armor costume in Action Comics as opposed to the simple t-shirt and jeans costume he has.

 

[Anubis]

Or the League formed within a few months of the Superman's arrival, and Superman starts wearing the armor a few weeks after he first showed up.

I'm not trying to make it make sense, I'm just showing you that this s**t is ******ed.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Or the League formed within a few months of the Superman's arrival, and Superman starts wearing the armor a few weeks after he first showed up.

But there are veterans within the League when it forms in the upcoming book Batman and Green Lantern in particular. And unless they don't count as superheroes, Superman should come before them.

I'm not trying to make it make sense, I'm just showing you that this s**t is ******ed.

Even if it did make sense, it's still ******ed. DC didn't need a reboot to begin with.

 

[Anubis]

Well duh.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think it was mentioned that Batman has been active for years, but only viewed as an urban legend, in a preview for JL on bleeding cool it shows Green Lanterns first meeting with Bats, he says something like "holy **** you're real." so technically he pre-dates Clark.

 

[Mystirious]

At the moment I'm not going to stress about the timeline

As long as the things I like are in continuity still I will be and so far it sounds like most of them will be although it sounds like Superboy and Blue Beetle are getting new origins for some reason

 

[Drz]

- Superman is now the first superhero in existence, meaning that Action Comics will probably be set waaaaaay more than 5 years in the past like Justice League is. Especially since Superman is in his Kryptonian armor costume as opposed to his t-shirt and jeans costume in Action Comics. Some Superman stories though such as the Death of Superman, remain in continuity of some sorts.

Geoff Johns said that Batman came 1st, but he was an urban legend that noone believed to exist, so Superman was the 1st public hero, but Batman the 1st hero.

 

[Mystirious]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-didio-lee-explain-superman-changes-110718.html




Boosh!

And or ka-kow?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

They've already fudged up this new continuity?

 

[Mystirious]

Try not to worry about it

As long as the characters and stories are enjoyable that's what really matters

 

[Dangerman]

Geoff Johns said that Batman came 1st, but he was an urban legend that noone believed to exist, so Superman was the 1st public hero, but Batman the 1st hero.

Correct Batman is the one who came first but as John's said no one believed that he was real. He is suppose to be like the boogeyman. Superman is suppose to be the very first public superhero. Now how all the stuff that happens to Superman still happens I don't know. I mean You have to included the President Lex story arc, Death of Superman (in which he was engaged to Lois), And a few other important story arcs crammed into a 5 year period time frame. Personally if they we're going to do this reboot they should have just rebooted the whole DCU instead of a few heroes. I Mean why is it always Superman and Wonder Woman and JL that always gets the reboot while the rest of the DCU stays intact? I mean look at COIE when it ended it was only Superman, Wonder Woman and JL that got the reboot while the rest got to keep their history for the most part. I just think DC should either adapt the Earth One line into a monthly format and let new readers start their for a jumping on point and keep New Earth intact or they should have just rebooted the whole DCU from scratch and just go from there. I mean what can it hurt Wally and Donna Troy are gone anyways so there was no Titans and Cyborg is a founding member of the Justice League.

 

[Dangerman]

To be honest the best way to reboot Supergirl would have been using the New Krypton story line where he found he had some family after restoring Kandor and then not only having him lose his family again but her as well which in turn can explain why Kara doesn't like humans or understand why he puts his life on the line for him if they are going to go that route with her. Another thing I also dont get is how is Superman suppose to feel alone with no family or anyone to rely on when you have Supergirl and Superboy. I mean why can't he have Lois to rely on that is part of what made him great even when before he was married he always had her to rely on.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm sure he will come to be friends with all of them and be supported by them over time

Action Comics is set in the past though before he met them so when it starts he is all by himself

 

[hippie_hunter]

Geoff Johns said that Batman came 1st, but he was an urban legend that noone believed to exist, so Superman was the 1st public hero, but Batman the 1st hero.

When did he say that? I know about the urban legend stuff, but Batman coming before Superman?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Im fairly certain he mentioned it at that convention thing where the video of Grant Morrison was played....fairly certain

 

[Drz]

Yeah i think it was during the Hero Complex Superman film festival thingy.

 

[Mystirious]

That makes a bit more sense then

 

[Anubis]

But makes that whole Superman being the first hero thing a bold face lie.

 

[taskmaster]

But makes that whole Superman being the first hero thing a bold face lie.

I'm guessing DC's reasoning would be that Superman is the first one to be called a Superhero. Up to the point where Superman reveals himself to the world and the public eventually start to accept him, Batman will have just been a myth.

 

[Anubis]

That explains Batman. What about GL? He too is supposed to be a vet hero as well and all the years of GL can't have happened if the public didn't know he existed until like 5 years ago. It calls into question much of their continuity if nobody knew they existed until like 5 years ago.