The Official Superman Thread - Part 2

[Scarecrow_King]

I was worried about Superman's characterization before I read the entire issue. Based on the previews, yes, he was a dick. And I hated it.

But anybody who's read the issue can tell that he's probably going to even out. If you look at how Clark acted opposed to how Superman acted, a reconciliation of the two is the best solution and probably where Morrison is going. It's an origin story. Patience will pay off.

 

[HighFivingMF]

You have really low standards on what makes one a dick.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

He's openly antagonistic against the police. Yeah, that's being a dick. The only thing that makes me think he'll even out is what we've seen of Clark.

 

[The Sage]

good comparison

Nah, this is a good comparison:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's openly antagonistic against the police. Yeah, that's being a dick. The only thing that makes me think he'll even out is what we've seen of Clark.

Well, he did imply that those specific cops were dirty (or at least apathetic in their commitment to the law). Remember, when he's holding Glenmorgan over the edge of the roof, he mentions wanting Glenmorgan to tell the truth to someone who still understands that the law should be the same for all people, and he's looking right at the main detective when he says it.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yeah, I'm okay with him being a dick. But only to the dirty cops. I'm just pointing out that most people (including me) haven't seen him act this way before. It's jarring, and it takes getting used to.

I was one of the people angry at the way he was acting. But after researching more about the character's earlier incarnations (which I hadn't really done before) and seeing the full issue, it grew on me.

 

[Wheels]

Well, he did imply that those specific cops were dirty (or at least apathetic in their commitment to the law). Remember, when he's holding Glenmorgan over the edge of the roof, he mentions wanting Glenmorgan to tell the truth to someone who still understands that the law should be the same for all people, and he's looking right at the main detective when he says it.

And that's why I have no problems with what Superman did. Why should he respect a group of dirty cops?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, this is a good comparison:

Comparison to what? There's only one pic there.

 

[The Sage]

Comparison to what? There's only one pic there.

In comparison to the pic of Superman saving that girl in the All-Star from committing suicide.

 

[X Knight]

I was worried about Superman's characterization before I read the entire issue. Based on the previews, yes, he was a dick. And I hated it.

But anybody who's read the issue can tell that he's probably going to even out. If you look at how Clark acted opposed to how Superman acted, a reconciliation of the two is the best solution and probably where Morrison is going. It's an origin story. Patience will pay off.

I hope this is the case.

perhaps something will happen that will cause Clark to rethink how he's behaving as Superman.

indeed, doesn't the cover of an upcoming issue of Action Comics show angry civilians protesting Superman?

 

[C. Lee]

I just read ACTION COMICS #1.

Interesting new/old ideas with the mythos. Taking away the flying and returning him to the "able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" was unexpected by me (I have purposefully steered clear of as much talk about the new books so that I could start reading them with only my own preconceived ideas about the character from my past readings....didn't want to hear too much complaining or praising about what was going on).

I had in the back of my mind, that one of the main reasons for the changes were due to the Siegel/Shuster lawsuit and what they could lose the rights to....but since they started Superman with the leaping tall buildings stuff...looks like I was wrong on that point (and I'm only wrong every other century or so).

Like I said though...interesting story (nice art)...I'll pick up the next couple issues to see where this goes.

 

[Assassin]

Eh, the JLA one had one line, so it's hard to really tell. Superman's brief appearance in Animal Man seemed better.

As for Action Comics, I didn't like it. There's a reason they stopped writing Superman the way he was written 80 years ago: Because that was 80 years ago.

I just think it's a matter of comparing this:

to this:

One shows Superman. The other shows an ******* in a cape and Supes t-shirt.

what about issue one of grounded? that was the best scene. i almost teared up.

 

[Assassin]

I don't know, him not wanting to deal with politics or things like diseases just seems wrong for me. Not to mention it only seems he wants to play as a hero but to what? Monsters going after him?

in earth one, he didn't want to do all that. he wanted to write but he also wanted to use his powers to make money for his mom. by the end of the book he realized that all his parents want from him is to be himself, a hero.

 

[Drz]

But didn't Batman originally carry a gun in his early stories??

Yes, Morrison brought back that aspect by having Batman carry the gun Joe Chill used to kill his parents, he doesn't use it but he gives the gun to Joe Chill and pretty much tells him who he is in a cryptic way that Joe Chill gets. Morrison's Batman run was a linear way of telling Batman's whole life, now you will receive a non-linear whole life story of the Man of Steel.

a character's "roots" doesn't always translate into the best interpretation of that character. or, it doesn't mean we all have to enjoy/favor that interpretation.

This was the incarnation that made Superman and the concept of superheroes popular to begin with. I think it's fair game to argue this is the version to get people hooke dup on comics, whenever its 1930s or 2011.

Would the fans of the dark, serious bad ass Batman welcome that change? probably not. However, those who did like the early Batman would.

Morrison has brought back the more Silver Aged Batman alongside Bronze Age and the sales show it's being loved. Scott Snyder, Grant Morrison, David Hine and Tony Daniel also show their detective stories with Batman, but sadly all writers today with Batman and mystery killers involves alot and i mean alot of gore, holy moly i say to that. I like the term "Neo Silver Age" that fans have created for writers sucha s Mark Waid, Paul Cornell and Grant Morrison.

With Superman, if he had stayed the Golden Age Superman throughout all these years, I would never have liked the character as much
Similarly, as I've said before, if the new Action Comic #1 was my first exposure to Superman, I probably wouldn't like the character that much either.......

An assumption.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Does Superman #1 have a variant cover?

 

[Mystirious]

Well, he did imply that those specific cops were dirty (or at least apathetic in their commitment to the law). Remember, when he's holding Glenmorgan over the edge of the roof, he mentions wanting Glenmorgan to tell the truth to someone who still understands that the law should be the same for all people, and he's looking right at the main detective when he says it.

Agreed I'm guessing they were all corrupt and taking bribes from Glenmorgan

 

[HighFivingMF]

So, anyone think that Mrs. Nyxly looks kind of like Mr. Mxyzptlk?

 

[X Knight]

So, anyone think that Mrs. Nyxly looks kind of like Mr. Mxyzptlk?

hmmmm.....

and the name sounds similar too........

 

[X Knight]

soo......I had the chance to skim through Swamp Thing. I went to the part with Superman. And yes, that Superman does feel like the "current" Superman.

so that gives me hope that the young Clark in Action Comics will grow into the Superman that I know and love.....

 

[CConn]

I think that whole "growth" thing is what Morrison had planned all along. I mean, the man did write your precious All Star. He obviously knows what he's doing.

 

[Mystirious]

What did you not like about Superman in Action Comics XEdge

So, anyone think that Mrs. Nyxly looks kind of like Mr. Mxyzptlk?

That would be quite a twist

I would love to see Morrison write Mxyzptlk I think that would be a pretty fun comic book

 

[X Knight]

What did you not like about Superman in Action Comics XEdge

Hey Mysti!!

I posted my thoughts on AC a few days ago:

Well, having just read it, my thoughts on it are still kind of raw.....

Overall......I would say the issue was.........ok.

And really, that's kind of how I'm feeling about it right now. Neutral.

I didn't find myself really hating or loathing anything in particular. Yet, I didn't really find myself super excited about anything ( no pun intended ).

As someone who's "ideal" Superman is more in line with the "boy scout" version, I knew going into this that this was going to be a different Superman.

Yes, I know from the comments here that this Superman is more in line with the early Superman......how he behaved when he was first created.

But, personally, that's not the Superman that I know and love. If Superman had stayed pretty much the way he was when he debuted, well, I don't think I would like the character nearly as much.

And I know that Action Comics is portraying a younger Superman, one who is still trying to figure out his place ( and his powers ). However, for me, Superman is more than just his powers. His morals, his behavior are also super. And that's due in part largely to his upbringing in Smallville by his adopted parents.

The young Superman in this Action Comics has noble ideals. He has good intentions. I can see that and I get that.

However, I still think I would have preferred a Superman who believes in all that, yet also believes in using violence only when it is necessary. One who understands just how powerful he is, and is therefore, HUMBLE AND CAREFUL about that power ( no taunting the cops, for example ).

A Superman who comes into Metropolis and tries to lead by example, by being respectful, decent, and using less violence, who is still hated and hounded by the cops/military, I would find that much more interesting than a reckless/gung ho Superman who, ironically, does give the authorities good reason to be suspicious/fearful of him.

Also, I didn't like how General Lane was portrayed. It's the typical "military bad man" who would endanger CIVILIANS IN A CITY to get his target. The only civilian General Lane seems to care about is Lois, nevermind all the other people endangered on the train. It's just an unrealistic, cliched portrayal of the "evil military general".

As for Lois and Jimmy.......not really much to judge.....

Lex was interesting, although I didn't really like the way he was drawn......

Again, nothing that I really hated. Just didn't really get me excited.

I will give the book a chance. I will also see how "older" Superman acts in his own book. If I see that there are signs of growth and maturation of the character, then I might continue reading.

But, if the Superman of the DCnU is largely the same as the young Clark in Action Comics.....well......that's not really the Superman I'm interested in reading........

Or, put another way, if this was my very first exposure to Superman, I don't think I'd like the character much........I might read a few more issues before decding to drop the book......

 

[Anubis]

Eh, the JLA one had one line, so it's hard to really tell. Superman's brief appearance in Animal Man seemed better.

As for Action Comics, I didn't like it. There's a reason they stopped writing Superman the way he was written 80 years ago: Because that was 80 years ago.

I just think it's a matter of comparing this:

Spoiler

to this:

One shows Superman. The other shows an ******* in a cape and Supes t-shirt.

I don't know man. That's some Michael Moore school of proving a point. Pitting one of the greatest scenes of Superman awesomesauce against some random page of young Supes being a "*****e Bag" doesn't quite seem fair.


What the Sage posted:

Nah, this is a good comparison:

Spoiler

Seems far more apt, but, you know, I guess your argument kinda falls apart then.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So, anyone think that Mrs. Nyxly looks kind of like Mr. Mxyzptlk?

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Seems a bit obvious, though. Maybe she's secretly Mxy's jilted lover who ran away to live a mundane life as a human or something, and then Mxy comes after her and has to deal with Clark/Superman. That'd be fun.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Googled "Superman Nyxly" came up with this...


http://www.comicvine.com/superman/29-1807/all-images/108-218958/superman_235_20/105-2002976/

Ferlin Nyxly was the curator at the Metropolis Music Museum until he discovered the Devil's Harp.

Ferlin Nyxly was the curator of the Metropolis Music Museum and had low self-esteem, thinking of himself as an unattractive loser.. One night, while examining some recent gifts that were discovered buried beneath an ancient, forgotten city, he discovered the Devil's Harp. While holding the harp, Ferlin thought about he wished that he had the talent to make music. Shortly afterwards, while sitting at a piano, Ferlin discovered that he could play magnificently. Unknown to Ferlin, Timos Achens lost his musical talents at the same time Ferlin gained his.

Some time later, one of Ferlin Nyxly's concerts was upstaged by Superman when he stopped an assassination attempt at the venue. When Ferlin noticed that the audience wasn't paying attention to his playing, but instead still talking about Superman, he was enraged. Afterwards, while again holding the Devil's Harp, Ferlin wished that he could fly and suddenly found himself floating in the air. At that same moment, Superman (and the Sand Creature he was pursuing) lost his ability to fly.

Ferlin then put on a Pan costume, so that he would look more like a demigod than an ordinary loser. Thinking that he at least didn't have to be poor anymore, Ferlin robbed a money truck. When the guards shot at him, Ferlin made himself invulnerable.

Still angry at Superman, Ferlin went on WGBS and challenged Superman to a death duel. When Superman arrived, Ferlin had the harp steal his speed and strength as well, and was beating Superman until the Sand Creature arrived. Superman cried out for the Sand Creature to destroy the Devil's Harp, which Ferlin had dropped on the ground. When the Sand Creature smashed the hard, Ferlin fell unconscious to the ground and Superman's powers were restored.

Months later Ferlin went in search of the mysterious ruins where the Devil's Harp had been discovered. He found a strange alien city and within it found a suit of armor that he then put on. There was a sling attached to the armor which could shoot projectiles which could disintegrate objects and the sling also enabled Ferlin to fly. Ferlin returned to Metropolis to once again confront Superman but he was defeated easily after Superman was warned about Ferlin's trap by a boy whose mind had been swapped with a cat's.

Years after this Ferlin went searching for UFO's since he had determined that he could defeat Superman with otherworldly technology. While looking for a UFO that had been spotted nearby, Ferlin accidentally fell from a cliff, badly injuring himself. The alien in the UFO, named Brakha, saw him and healed him. Ferlin repaid the alien by attacking him and taking over his ship. He then used the ship to attack Metropolis and Superman. Ferlin was winning the battle and had short-circuited Superman's mind when Brakha arrived to help. Brakha planted a device on Superman which enables others to control his body until his mind could be restored. Superman's body was then controlled by Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane and Morgan Edge in the battle against Ferlin Nyxly. Ferlin was frightened by Superman's maniacal actions and surrendered.

http://www.comicvine.com/ferlin-nyxly/29-31328/