The Official Superman Thread - Part 3

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I agree that it was the weakest issue so far. It just seemed to read too quick for me, but that's just because it was all action. It's still probably the second best book on the stands, behind Batman.

I also really like Rags' style and think it fits the book, but I agree with some of the comments here. Holy hell, some of his faces just look ****ing weird. What's with Lex's face when he says "Something's... coming"?

That said, the robot using a tank as his head was awesome, as was...
Brainiac. :awesome:
 
But now he no longer has legs

How is he going to wear a decent pair of pants now :ninja:
 
Action Comics #4 was fantastic! It was like a mix of Golden Age Superman and he's being placed in a Silver Age world, here come the Terminauts! BRAINIAC! Steel! Metal-Zero!

The Steel back-up was wonderful, i'm glad Morrison found this hot talented writer and puts him more mainstream. :) I'm also amazed how this story doesn't continue till #7 lol, so we got the Legion of Super-Heroes and Modern Superman possibly coming to save Rookie Supes from Brainiac? Man, time travel and Morrison is the best. It really makes you wanna think about the whole story and let your creativity flow.
 
this issue didn't impress me as much as he first 3. but that's mostly because I'm not really a huge fan of Steel. I like Natasha Irons better than John Henry. And if I had a vote, wouldn't steep him so much in Superman's origin.

but didn't DC say that Death of Superman was still in canon? If that's the case, I guess they're changing it up quite a bit since Steel makes his first appearance here instead of Reign of the Supermen.

I like how Metropolis has been shrunk. But we were shown Kandor getting shrunk last issue, but wasn't Jor-El still alive and in the city. ...is he still alive in a shrunken Kandor? Maybe with Ma and Pa Kent being dead, Morrison is pulling a switcharoo and letting the Kryptonian parents live. That would certainly set this new continuity's Super origin apart from all the old "revamps."
 
Action Comics #7: 1st look!
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In ACTION COMICS, Superman’s adventures are set five years in the past – but his story is nonetheless making plenty waves in the present.

POPMATTERS posted part two of their exclusive interview with writer Grant Morrison, who outlined his perspective on the supposed City of Tomorrow, and also offered a bit of insight into how the Superman of ACTION COMICS fits into the character’s larger mythology. “I see it as a quite organic story of Superman,” Morrison said. “The things that seem like this is the past of Superman, but as I’m writing it, it’s really the present of Superman in the five dimensional matrix of the story. I see a larger overall picture of the entire man, as he lives, and as he does the things he does, so I think that’s what gives it the immediacy.” To revisit part one of the extensive interview, click here.

Offering another perspective on the big picture, COMICVINE ran a look at some of the significant changes that have been made to the Superman mythology within the pages of ACTION COMICS – from wardrobe to continuity to supporting cast. If you’re not caught up with ACTION COMICS #4, be warned: Spoilers abound!
 
Five dimensional story matrix is why I love Grant Morrison comics. Can't wait to see the rest of the story but too bad we have to wait for issue seven. Oh well, the time travel story should be fun.
 
Well, the #5-6 should somehow be connected to #7 right? Or do you literally think he delayed this story for Rag Morales to catch up? <_>
 
Just wanted to say, I love issue #4 of AC.

The only thing I'm not loving in Lex's characterisation. He's coming across as a bit of a bafoon.
 
Yeah, but it's the jealousy to Superman that makes him cut the energy drinks, going to gym and becoming the god damn Alpha Male.
 
The only thing I'm not loving in Lex's characterisation. He's coming across as a bit of a bafoon.

i think he comes across as intelligent, but his obvious obsessions and desperation tends to underscore that. but i think thats the point.
 
Well, the #5-6 should somehow be connected to #7 right? Or do you literally think he delayed this story for Rag Morales to catch up? <_>

Not sure but it's probably all connected if Batman anything to go by.

Yeah, but it's the jealousy to Superman that makes him cut the energy drinks, going to gym and becoming the god damn Alpha Male.

Right, this is Lex's beginnings. I think after his initial dealings with Superman and Brainiac he's going to step up, mostly driving from his insecurities. Going from this:

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To this:

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Once Perez is gone, so am I. These issues have been one big "I've seen this before" fest. Elemental creatures?? Invisible monsters?? And no past history on Superman/ Clark yet??

And Clark does a horrible Peter Parker impression. There is no "optimism" in this version of the Man of Steel. He's just another hang-dog buzz kill kinda dude. Depressed, pissed off at "the man", no girl friend, Geeeez.........AND THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT ON SUPERMAN??

I guess "perfecting" Superman would mean killing him, right?? :woot:

I'm just hoping that this is a "New Coke" type of ad campaign. They give us this crap to make us see that the Old Coke was better, after all!! LOL
 
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Not sure but it's probably all connected if Batman anything to go by.



Right, this is Lex's beginnings. I think after his initial dealings with Superman and Brainiac he's going to step up, mostly driving from his insecurities. Going from this:

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To this:

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Hawtness :atp:

Watchman said:
Five dimensional story matrix is why I love Grant Morrison comics. Can't wait to see the rest of the story but too bad we have to wait for issue seven. Oh well, the time travel story should be fun

Yep I'm really looking forward to reading that one it sounds like its going to be lots of crazy fun :)

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I like how Metropolis has been shrunk. But we were shown Kandor getting shrunk last issue, but wasn't Jor-El still alive and in the city. ...is he still alive in a shrunken Kandor? Maybe with Ma and Pa Kent being dead, Morrison is pulling a switcharoo and letting the Kryptonian parents live. That would certainly set this new continuity's Super origin apart from all the old "revamps."

That could actually be pretty interesting :up:
 
But that would take everything away from the Superman mythos.....

It's like finding out the Waynes are still alive,
 
I think it would definitely change things in a big way but if it was written well I dont think Jor El being alive would have to ruin the series
 
Yep I'm betting that Kandor will be stuck in a bottle like in the silver age

So Jor El will be stuck but Superman will be able to visit him there to chat about the crazy week he's had dealing with Parasite eating people, or go to see games of space baseball with him

Clark has lost so much in the reboot, his wife his puppy his adoptive parents and Jimmy has Bieber hair. I want him to have reasons to smile :)
 
Superman would have to get a hat for Jor-El to hide in like Navi did in Link's hat.
 
Superman March Comics:


ACTION COMICS #7

Written by GRANT MORRISON
Backup story written by SHOLLY FISCH
Art by RAGS MORALES and RICK BRYANT
Backup story art by BRAD WALKER
Cover by RAGS MORALES
Variant cover by GREG CAPULLO
1:200 B&W Variant cover by RAGS MORALES
On sale MARCH 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T
Combo pack edition: $4.99 US
Metropolis has been captured! To save it, Superman must push the limits of his nascent powers as never before! Aboard the ship that has the city captive, The Man of Steel finds an important tool that may help him defeat Metal-zero and his boss!
And as Superman fights foes in the sky, Steel must do what he can to protect those still in danger on the ground in a backup story by Sholly Fisch and Brad Walker!
This issue is also offered as a special combo pack edition, polybagged with a redemption code for a digital download of this issue.


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SUPERBOY #7

Written by SCOTT LOBDELL
Art by R.B. SILVA and ROB LEAN
Cover by SHANE DAVIS
On sale MARCH 14 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
Superboy’s come back to N.O.W.H.E.R.E. with vengeance on his mind – but Rose Wilson is waiting for him. Right from the start, she was the one meant to bring him down when he went out of control – and this fight is going to be out of control! What can one woman with swords do against the most powerful teenager in the world? You – and Superboy – will be very surprised indeed!
 
I hope Jor-El isn't alive in Kandor, because I feel that goes over the line. Jor-El and Lara have always been killed in Krypton's destruction, it's one of the few constants in the Superman mythos. The closest that ever came to changing was Byrne's idea to have Lara go with Kal-El to Earth, and succumb to kryptonite poisoning upon exiting the ship, which of course wasn't used.
 
Uh, say whaa?

The origin of the story dates back to an Adventures of Superman Annual I’m told was meant to be published in 1988. Unfortunately, the story was shelved due to the editorial decision to shy away from annuals (which is why there is a gap in annuals between 1987 and 1990). By the time annuals came back, they were parts of crossover events (Armageddon 2001), so the 1988 story remained shelved.

The 1988 story would later be published as a throw away special released to store shelves the week before Superman died in 1992&#8242;s Superman #75. This special story is that of the modern Sand Superman, and it was seemed designed to be the escape hatch in case the Clark / Lois relationship (engagement / secret ID reveal / etc) didn’t work out.

The modern Sand Superman story is much like the old 70&#8242;s story; an explosion of synthetic kryptonite causes irradiated sand to mimic and absorb all of Superman’s powers; and Superman also found that this new creature was absorbing some level of his intelligence. At the 1988 story’s climax, a powerless Superman fights the Sand Superman in the Fortress of Solitude. Superman realizes that the only way to beat the Sand Superman is to stop fighting and give the sand creature everything he’s got; so Superman grabs the sand creature causing a massive explosion. We do not see the aftermath. The story ends with a rather ambiguous Superman / Luthor conversation in which Superman alludes to the fact that he won the battle by becoming the sand creature. The story is set before Clark and Lois began dating.

If you go back and look at stories between 1988 and 1992, you find several story situations that kept pointing at the Sand Superman door.

There’s a story where Superman is battling the demon Blaze; she brags about her magic axe being Superman’s doom due to his weakness to magic. Blaze strikes Superman with the magic axe only to watch it inexplicably break on Superman’s chest. The only explanation we get is Superman saying, “Guess it wasn’t as magic as you thought.”

There’s the “Time and Time Again” storyline in which a massive explosion causes Superman to absorb temporal energy; and explosions allow him to access the energy and time travel (just like an explosion was part of the catalyst for the power drain that created sand creature). Superman’s costume also gets darker due to the effect of absorbing the temporal energy just as the sand creature’s colors became darker as it absorbed more power.

Another story features Superman infected with some ancient virus that’s killing him. As Superman gets near death, he takes on a sand like appearance; and he is cured by exposure to kryptonite that doctors brought in to weaken Superman’s skin for surgery. The doctors are baffled at why the kryptonite saved Superman, and it is never explained. In fact, it is only the stories after the sand creature’s place in continuity where we see that kryptonite no longer seems to rob Superman of any power at all; it simply causes him pain (likely because he psychologically believes it should cause him pain).

Then there is the Death of Superman story itself. I watched a QVC special at the time where Walt and Louise Simonson were helping sell autographed sets of the series. During the special, Walt opened the issue of Man of Steel that introduced John Henry Irons; Walt pointed out the page that seemed to show kind of transfer between Superman and John Henry Irons; Walt emphatically noted that this was important. Did I mention that Superman had been in a massive explosion just before grabbing John Henry? Later in the same issue, we see Irons rip the roof off of a moving car with his bare hands (no armor).

As the Reign of the Supermen came to a close, we see the return of the Superman who fought Doomsday; but he’s powerless. The sun isn’t giving Superman back his strength, and that only makes real sense if the sun isn’t the source of his strength. Superman teams up with the other heroes and confronts the Cyborg Superman; the Cyborg rips open a hose spewing pure kryptonite radiation, but the Eradicator steps in to block the flow before it hits Superman. Power is transferred between the Eradicator and Superman; Superman suddenly gets his powers back. Green Lantern notes just a few pages later that there are massive levels of kryptonite radiation in the room; Superman is seen flying around in the green clouds with a smile on his face.

In the issues that followed, a robot at the Fortress of Solitude keeps trying to tell Superman that recent destruction at the fortress has uncovered something important he needs to see. Superman is too busy to pay it much mind. The storyline leads to November of 1994 with “Dead Again”; Superman finds a dead Superman body.

I believe this is where DC planned to reveal the truth, but they pulled back (instead making the story part of some nonsense Brainiac plot). Why would DC pull back?

Do you know what was happening at Marvel at this time? In October of 1994, Marvel had rushed together a story we know as the Spider-Clone saga; a story in which we discover the real Peter Parker had been replaced by a clone years ago. There was nothing to back this idea up; there was no years of planning in place; this Spider-man clone thing just appeared out of thin air. But it was a good way to beat DC’s Superman story to the punch. I believe the Superman story was shelved because of the Spider-clone saga, but the story was not dead. DC appeared to be biding its time.

The Final Night event comes and Superman loses all of his power when the sun goes out. The sun comes back, but Superman’s powers do not. Again, the sun is not the source of his power. Superman goes on a quest to try to regain his power, and he finds himself facing an alien electrical being. Superman wins the battle after surviving a large explosion. Superman’s powers come back for awhile. Then Superman starts inexplicably turning into an electrical being (just like the one he fought when he got his powers back).

Grant Morrison introduces us to the world of DC One Million. In his story, Superman leaves earth to wander the universe; during this time, Superman “absorbs” over a dozen new powers. Superman’s appearance on returning to earth features a darker costume and glowing yellow eyes (much like the sand creature had at first).

During Infinite Crisis, Superman loses his powers in final confrontation with Superboy Prime. One year later, Superman’s powers return. The powers only return after Lex Luthor collects all kryptonite on planet earth and stores it under Metropolis.

I believe wholeheartedly that the real Superman died in 1988 and his body was left in the frozen debris of the first Fortress of Solitude. Until the time Flashpoint changed things, the Superman we read each month was the sand creature who simply believed he was the real Superman.

Now…it never happened.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/12/16/whatever-happened-1998-death-of-superman/
 
And now it's totally pointless anyway.

Awesome.
 
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