The Official Superman Thread - Part 4

[Mani-Man]

what? superman is the worst thing about the reboot. Now hes just a generic supehero who has no character anymore. He is more of a superman type hero someone would create in an MMORPG, there was nothing wrong with the character before the reboot,the storys were the problem, now its the character itself that fails. the reboot superman is tooooo far away from the one that made the name so big.

 

[HighFivingMF]

what? superman is the worst thing about the reboot. Now hes just a generic supehero who has no character anymore. He is more of a superman type hero someone would create in an MMORPG, there was nothing wrong with the character before the reboot,the storys were the problem, now its the character itself that fails. the reboot superman is tooooo far away from the one that made the name so big.

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This is much closer to the version that made the name popular than anything else as of recent. Your preferences are your thing (except the generic superhero with no character thing, that's flat out wrong), but the fact of the matter is Superman first became popular when acting more like this new guy than the guy he was in the '90s and '00s.

 

[The Batman]

IMO, new 52 and Post Crisis Superman have something in common: Morrison is one of the few writers who manage to write him properly.

That said, the concept behind new 52 Superman is much better than post crisis Supes. They did what they should've done in 86': update the Siegel/Shuster version for modern times.

 

[ironman29758]

IMO, new 52 and Post Crisis Superman have something in common: Morrison is one of the few writers who manage to write him properly.

That said, the concept behind new 52 Superman is much better than post crisis Supes. They did what they should've done in 86': update the Siegel/Shuster version for modern times.

This. morrison Superman is so fun too read. Golden Age Superman in 2005-2006 fighting Brainiac, Darkseid and the millitary, Clark Kent the reporter fighting for the little people. this is what John Byrne and Post crisis should have done. The only writers who tried something close to this with Mark Waid and Geof Johns. Grant was able to combine the golden age, silver age, donner movies and some post crisis ideas and make a good story. sure the Superman title(want to see the Superman story Lobdell writes in #0 and #13) is all right but Action Comics is doing better in my opinion in terms of superman.

 

[Young Superman]

lol nope.

Superman is a social crusader. He is fighting for the oppressed, much like he was when he was created. He is more relevant now then when he was traipsing across America. Superman is in the wonderful position of having the relevance to modern times, having his original characteristics reinvigorated and yet still retaining some of his more "out there" stories from the 70's, but with the seriousness that began with the 90's.


Superman is one of the best things about the relaunch.

Agreed, The only thing I don't like about DCnU Superman is the costume. I miss the classic costume.

 

[Cain]

IMO, new 52 and Post Crisis Superman have something in common: Morrison is one of the few writers who manage to write him properly.

That said, the concept behind new 52 Superman is much better than post crisis Supes. They did what they should've done in 86': update the Siegel/Shuster version for modern times.

Yep.

 

[Young Superman]

IMO, new 52 and Post Crisis Superman have something in common: Morrison is one of the few writers who manage to write him properly.

That said, the concept behind new 52 Superman is much better than post crisis Supes. They did what they should've done in 86': update the Siegel/Shuster version for modern times.

Agreed

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't mind the social crusader aspect, I just have trouble reconciling Morrison's All-Star Superman with the current Action Comics version, even though Morrison himself has stated they're the same, since the latter is such... well, for lack of a better term, a dick. His behavior seems to indicate that good ol' Pa Kent never taught him that old chestnut about two wrongs not making a right. Clark seems like as much a bully as the guys he's fighting against in some cases. I know it's early in his career and all, so I'm giving Morrison some slack, but I'd really like to see Clark mature sooner rather than later.

 

[Spade]

The five year gap ends soon. I'm fine with a more worldly Superman in Action. I'd like more time for villain origins, but flashbacks work, too.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't mind the social crusader aspect, I just have trouble reconciling Morrison's All-Star Superman with the current Action Comics version, even though Morrison himself has stated they're the same, since the latter is such... well, for lack of a better term, a dick. His behavior seems to indicate that good ol' Pa Kent never taught him that old chestnut about two wrongs not making a right. Clark seems like as much a bully as the guys he's fighting against in some cases. I know it's early in his career and all, so I'm giving Morrison some slack, but I'd really like to see Clark mature sooner rather than later.

I imagine we'll see him mature over the next (7, is it?) issues. Superman is still very young at the moment. Grant had said that he became Superman as soon as his parents died, because essentially, he had nothing to stay for. He rushed into it without thinking, hence why he killed off "Clark Kent".

 

[HighFivingMF]

That zero issue was beautiful. The back-up was cool too.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, #0 was pretty good. I wasn't a big fan of Morrison's take on Captain Comet, so Action Comics was kind of dragging for me lately, but #0 got me excited for Morrison's take on Clark again. That scene of the kid giving him back the cape was lovely.

 

[Motown Marvel]

the story was nice and heart warming....but at the same time nothing too special.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yeah, #0 was pretty good. I wasn't a big fan of Morrison's take on Captain Comet, so Action Comics was kind of dragging for me lately, but #0 got me excited for Morrison's take on Clark again. That scene of the kid giving him back the cape was lovely.

I wish there was a panel from the child's view where Clark was holding back the train which was all smashed and asking for his cape back.

 

[Compi716]

I wish there was a panel from the child's view where Clark was holding back the train which was all smashed and asking for his cape back.

In general I felt like the story could've used a few extra "WOW" panels. It's still a lovely tale, but some more power moments could've taken it to another level.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was fine as-is. More of an attempt to milk things would've made it a little cheesy.

 

[CConn]

I haven't read it yet - so don't think as a criticism of the issue itself - but I never seem to be a big fan of these 0-issue/one and done jobbies.

They always seem to end up constrained by the singular issue format, and ultimately they're a little too much of a detour from the main, long-running stories that are going on.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This one felt like a return to the goodness of Morrison's earlier AC issues to me, since, as I mentioned, I wasn't really into the recent Captain Comet arc. But maybe it feels less out of place in AC to begin with since Morrison sort of jumps from story to story anyway. That Legion issue came way the f*** out of nowhere after his first arc; this #0 issue just feels like another one of those. The places the #0s are really bothering me are where they're interrupting long-term story arcs, like in Animal Man and Swamp Thing. "Up next: ROTWORLD!... but first, here's some random origin issues to throw the flow of that story off by a month."

 

[Spade]

Can't speak for the rest, but the 0 issues for Action and Animal Man were great at getting back to what made them good at the start.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

lol nope.

Superman is a social crusader. He is fighting for the oppressed, much like he was when he was created. He is more relevant now then when he was traipsing across America. Superman is in the wonderful position of having the relevance to modern times, having his original characteristics reinvigorated and yet still retaining some of his more "out there" stories from the 70's, but with the seriousness that began with the 90's.


Superman is one of the best things about the relaunch.

Lol Yep.

He is simply brutish and doesn't even seem like he is emphatic, cant remember what issue but in new 52 JL some military jets where attacking the JL and Superman was all for attacking back and ripping the jets apart and the likes. The flash was the only one actually shown showing concern for the safety of the men/women in those jets. Also he doesn't seem important or relevant or unique hell at this point he can be replaced by Captain Marvel, all the League need is a strong guy who can fly. The stand outs of the league are Batman, Flash and Green Latern, people thought the old Superman was boring wait until they meet this one who as Green Latern said just hangs about in the back and says nothing.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Your basing the New 52 Superman on how he is in Justice League?

Justice League isn't a good book.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Your basing the New 52 Superman on how he is in Justice League?

Justice League isn't a good book.

I read action comics as well but yeah my main problem stems from the way he is in JL. I think the premise for JL is good and how they came together was brilliant and I have enjoyed it on the odd occasion apart from how Superman and Wonder Woman are treated. Besides doesn't it make it worst that JL Superman is worst considering his the older version of Action comics Superman.

 

[HighFivingMF]

He's like a day older than the Action version in the arc you're talking about.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I read action comics as well but yeah my main problem stems from the way he is in JL. I think the premise for JL is good and how they came together was brilliant and I have enjoyed it on the odd occasion apart from how Superman and Wonder Woman are treated.

So you think Justice League is a good book, except for how it treats 2/3's of DC's "Trinity", and most of your problems of Superman come from Justice League?

Besides doesn't it make it worst that JL Superman is worst considering his the older version of Action comics Superman.

No. Because they are stories from 2 different writers. Same way I don't dislike Batman just because David Finch was writing The Dark Knight and Tony Daniel was writing Detective, and I lost my enthusiasm for Scott Snyder. Also, if you plan on reading any comics for the foreseeable future, you're in for a bad time if one writer can ruin a character for you.

 

[X Knight]

I haven't been much of a fan of the new 52 Action Comics.

But, I just read #0 and I loved it!!

IMO, THIS is how Action Comics should have started way back in #1.

oh, but who's the long haird dude with red TK powers at the end of the story?