The Official Superman Thread

[WompuM]

Go on. . .

 

[Drz]

This link contains an image of an gorilla eating a brain. ITS THAT AWESOME!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, what? Why?

 

[Drz]

Gorillas get their brain powers by eating brains. D'oh.

 

[Mystirious]

Question:

Does anyone know where I can get my very own robot Zoey Dechanel-Lois Lane robot?

Yes. But it involves Lex Luthor, a high-speed camera, and a whole lot of K-Y jelly.

Keep talking

Ew, what? Why?

All Grodd wants to do is eat your brains
He's not unreasonable
It's not like he's gunna eat your eyes

 

[The Batman]

If the story you want to tell involves fundamentally shifting a character's power level on some kind of permanent basis, it's probably not appropriate for that character. There are very few exceptions to that rule that I can think of. Byrne's Superman revamp proved to be a terrible idea because the changes didn't stick. Superman was back to being pretty powerful before too long because that's part of what Superman is--he's the big gun, the guy who could tear the world in half but never would. That's part of what makes Superman Superman, so I'd be very, very wary of placing the character in the hands of a writer who didn't get that.

This. There's a reason why, as Corp said, Brynes Superman didnt last. There's a reason why O Neil's Superman run didnt stick either. People assume that Superman's not popular because hes too powerful. BS. That's like saying MacGuyver shouldnt be a genius. The cool thing about Superman is that he IS that ****ing powerful....but still manages to tell tales of the human condition.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, power is integral to the character. Granted, I personally like to see it portrayed within some kind of reasonable limits--i.e. not developing new powers on the fly every other issue like he did for a while back in the day (and I'm sure Kurosawa will be happy to enumerate and justify each and every instance that happened ).

Go on. . .

Keep talking

Dang, this board is overflowing with perverts.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

You guys raise some good points. I still loved the Sandman Saga for what it was and Byrne's Superman was some of the best Superman stories in the last 25+ years.

 

[Mystirious]

Dang, this board is overflowing with

I fixed that for you Corp

 

[Scarecrow_King]

what Sandman Saga are you guys talking about?

 

[Mystirious]

This. There's a reason why, as Corp said, Brynes Superman didnt last. There's a reason why O Neil's Superman run didnt stick either. People assume that Superman's not popular because hes too powerful. BS. That's like saying MacGuyver shouldnt be a genius. The cool thing about Superman is that he IS that ****ing powerful....but still manages to tell tales of the human condition.

Joe Kelly did a fabulous job

 

[fifthfiend]

I would agree except that I've read a whole slew of utterly fantastic Thor comics, and Thor's at least as powerful as Superman. Hell, one of the best mega-arcs in Thor's history, the King Thor Saga, featured Dan Jurgens cranking Thor's power level up even higher as a central plot point. Power levels are just an excuse for lazy or unimaginative storytellers.

The problem is that too many writers try to dick around with the power levels and then hammer a story around that when power levels work best as a function of the kind of story being told. Work out the characters and their conflicts and relationships, then work out how powerful the character needs to be to deal with that.

 

[Tron Bonne]

what Sandman Saga are you guys talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandman_Saga

 

[Scarecrow_King]

oh, cool. I had no idea that was the name of the story. of course I've seen that cover, but never actually read it. Thanks, Tron Bonne.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

the story as an arc is one of the best things to happen to Superman in the 1970's. I recommend it, but caution you to remember, it is from the 70's and out of continuity.

 

[The Batman]

all this joe kelly talk has me searching for trades....but i cant really find any

 

[Drz]

DC isn't doing a good job on getting 90s comics on trades.

 

[Tron Bonne]

all this joe kelly talk has me searching for trades....but i cant really find any

Yeah, I think most of his run that was collected is out of print now. I believe his 'What's so funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way?' story is collected in The Greatest Superman Stories Ever Told trade.

DC isn't doing a good job on getting 90s comics on trades.

DC doesn't do a very good with their trade system at all

 

[TheCorpulent1]

all this joe kelly talk has me searching for trades....but i cant really find any

I'm sure "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" is in one of those "greatest Superman stories evarr" collections. Not sure about any of his other Superman work. His JLA material is all collected, though, and that features Superman, albeit in a lesser capacity.

 

[Drz]

How come?

 

[Tron Bonne]

How come?

They're dumb, I guess? I don't really know. You would think they'd put much more effort into trades considering how big and important that aspect is to the industry now, but they lag behind with it horridly for the most part.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If the comic was a top-10 seller, they tend to be more on the ball with trades. Still a bit later than Marvel with them, but they at least get to them. If the comic wasn't a sales juggernaut or deemed important by whatever crazy-ass system DC editorial uses, forget about it. Best get used to back-issue hunting.

 

[Drz]

Yeah i guess. I like that recent runs do get collected, but at the same time they should keep some monthlies alive if their trade sales are good. I'd say the comic indrusty has alot to improve on trade collections, but i do like how DC seems to keep the trend of 6 issues = 1 trade, compared to Marvel's 4 issues = trade.

 

[Tron Bonne]

If the comic was a top-10 seller, they tend to be more on the ball with trades. Still a bit later than Marvel with them, but they at least get to them. If the comic wasn't a sales juggernaut or deemed important by whatever crazy-ass system DC editorial uses, forget about it. Best get used to back-issue hunting.

Even then, that's not a guarantee. Batman & Robin has only the first 6 issues collected, and even then only in Hardcover, pretty sure there's not a paperback out, yet.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Here is a good place to start for Joe Kelly's Superman. He was part of many stories...

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...&field-keywords=superman+by+joe+kelly&x=0&y=0