The Official Thread For: Harry Potter & The Order Of The Phoenix

[Backdrifter]

I go against popular belief, but I do not consider PoA to be the best film of the series...well, thats a lie. It is the best FILM of the series, but it is the worst ADAPTATION of the series. Cuaron made some bad choices, the ending was horribly done. It was convulted, confusing, and never gave a proper explanation (Just like GOF). Furthermore, they cut important elements of the overall plot of the series in favor of what? Kids making animal noises? A five minute ride on the Knight Bus? I respect what Cuaron did visually, but his story telling left something to be desired in my eyes.

I agree that it is the best film and the worst adaptation. But, I do not think there was anything wrong with the storytelling. Sure certain things could have been explained a bit more, but, atleast the was not cramming it down your throat like Columbus did.

 

[LEX]

If you ask me, I'm not the least bit surprised. First, they cut Winky AND Dobby and now, him again. Not to mention the fact that they also cut what could have potentially been Ron's sporting debut. They will probably replace Dobby with a first-year student in The Sneak when he warns the DA of Umbridge. Nigel is a possibility.

Broadly speaking, I take solace in what made the cut.

 

[War Party]

Just as long as the movie is good, I don't care what gets cut.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Dobby axed from 'Phoenix' movie

When Harry Potter tricked Lucius Malfoy into freeing his house elf, Dobby, at the end of "Chamber of Secrets," he might have inadvertently magicked the helpful servant right out of the series. Dobby hasn't appeared in any Potter films since and won't be appearing in the upcoming "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" either, according to Toby Jones, the actor who voiced him in the series' second installment.

"I know that the filmmakers have a problem with each new film because the books are getting longer — there's so much to include in them," Jones remarked.

While Dobby's absence will not shock fans who have been following the films closely, it does open up some plot questions. In the book, it is Dobby who both divulges to Harry the secret of the Room of Requirement (where Harry and the other members of "Dumbledore's Army" meet to practice forbidden defensive spells), and materializes to warn Harry that his secret hideout is no longer safe from the prowling eyes of the increasingly powerful Ministry of Magic informant (and new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher), Dolores Umbridge. With Dobby's absence, it is unclear how these matters will be handled in the film.

Although his character has been written out of the movie sequels thus far, Jones expressed gratitude for being able to voice such a character.

"The thing I feel very, very proud of is the fact that I get mail just about every week of the year from all parts of the world — very nice mail thanking me for that way I voiced the character and saying how accurately I did it," Jones commented. "So it's a great addition to my life and a very unexpected one. I had no idea that the character would have that much impact."

As one house elf leaves, another one enters. Kreacher, servant to Sirius Black's estranged family, will make his first film appearance in "Order."

The news of Kreacher's emergence should come as no surprise to fans of the original novels, as the nasty house elf rapidly becomes an integral character in the fifth book and beyond. Kreacher, who eventually becomes enslaved to Harry himself, is speculated by fans to have played a large role in securing the missing Horcrux — a locket containing a bit of Voldemort's soul stolen by the mysterious "R.A.B."

One scene to look out for in the movie is whether or not Kreacher is seen taking a locket from Harry or Hermione while the pair clean Sirius' house. Since author J.K. Rowling has informed the screenwriters on what's important to include in the movie adaptations, a shot of Kreacher with the seemingly innocuous silver locket would go a long way towards proving once and for all that "R.A.B." is none other than Sirius' younger brother Regulus, a former Death Eater who was rumored to be hunted down and killed by the Dark Lord himself.

To be honest, I was never a big fan of Dobby.

 

[Matt]

To be honest, I was never a big fan of Dobby.

I'm not a huge Dobby fan either, but there really is no questioning his relevance to the plot.

Why do I get the feeling that Hermione is just going to happen to pull the room of requirement out of "Hogwarts: A History"?

 

[Matt]

I agree that it is the best film and the worst adaptation. But, I do not think there was anything wrong with the storytelling. Sure certain things could have been explained a bit more, but, atleast the was not cramming it down your throat like Columbus did.

I suppose, but to be fair, the first two books are very much like Columbus' adaptation. They are very child oriented. They do cram a lot down your throat, but only because there is a lot to be crammed. They are introductions to the universe. It isn't until book 3 when Rowling really perfected her writing style and the books became more adult friendly.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I like the whole mythology behind the plots of all the books...and all the underlying tones.

It's not just spells and baddies. It's friends, family, and fighting for what's right.

 

[SapphirePrima]

Am I the only one disappointed in no Dobby again? His and Winky's kitchen scenes in the book are hilarious.

 

[Socrates]

I'm pretty disappointed in the absence of Dobby again, too, but hey, there's always a cameo in HPB.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I'm not a huge Dobby fan either, but there really is no questioning his relevance to the plot.

Why do I get the feeling that Hermione is just going to happen to pull the room of requirement out of "Hogwarts: A History"?

Because the films have glorified Hermione to the point of being a teen goddess, thus blowing her importance way out of proportion, and it's all the fault of hackeneyed screenwriter Steve Kloves - the damage he has done continues even without his presence - and the Hollywood suits who figure that the movie will sell more money is they place more emphasis on the series main female character.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Whoa, Dr. Fate calm down...you have to realize a book is a book and a movie is a movie.

To be honest I don't care what's changed. They are movies, not the original material.

 

[StorminNorman]

Because the films have glorified Hermione to the point of being a teen goddess, thus blowing her importance way out of proportion, and it's all the fault of hackeneyed screenwriter Steve Kloves - the damage he has done continues even without his presence - and the Hollywood suits who figure that the movie will sell more money is they place more emphasis on the series main female character.

I don't see how Hermione is "glorified" in the films - she is arguably the most important ally Harry has in the books, that translates in the film.

 

[Matt]

I'm pretty disappointed in the absence of Dobby again, too, but hey, there's always a cameo in HPB.

I'll bet a steak dinner that Dobby does not appear in HPB, bet Kreacher doesn't either. I bet the Marauder's Map will just show Malfoy in the Room of Requirement.

 

[Matt]

I don't see how Hermione is "glorified" in the films -

She's been glorified in the sense that they are giving other character's traits and roles to her in the films.

she is arguably the most important ally Harry has in the books, that translates in the film.

I'd argue that point. Hermione proved in the Department of Mysteries, while she may be a quick learner and book smart she cracks under pressure and is not capable of practically applying what she learns.

 

[Socrates]

I'll bet a steak dinner that Dobby does not appear in HPB, bet Kreature doesn't either. I bet the Marauder's Map will just show Malfoy in the Room of Requirement.

I'll bet a box of Oreo's they cut Malfoy out completely in HPB.

 

[OtepApe]

So Dobby's not in OOTP. I have to say, I was never a big Dobby fan. I found him more annoying then anything. But he was important to the plot of OOTP.

What do they do now? As Matt says, give the discovery of the ROR to Hermione??? I could actually see them doing that. But to me, this is a poitless change. Why not have Dooby appear? It's not exactly like it's going to lenghthen the movie drastically.

Sometimes, I can see change being nessercery. This, I cannot.

 

[LEX]

So Dobby's not in OOTP. I have to say, I was never a big Dobby fan. I found him more annoying then anything. But he was important to the plot of OOTP.

What do they do now? As Matt says, give the discovery of the ROR to Hermione??? I could actually see them doing that. But to me, this is a poitless change. Why not have Dooby appear? It's not exactly like it's going to lenghthen the movie drastically.

Sometimes, I can see change being nessercery. This, I cannot.

Budgetary complications?

 

[OtepApe]

Budgetary complications?

Well I suppose that could be a reasoon. But with something like a Harry Potter movie, I doubt it. It gets a helluva lot of cash to make these movies. They probably have some kind of effect in every other scene, even more. If they wanted Dobby in, he would be in.

I just want to see continuity between films. Like it's all connected in one long, winding tapestry of some kind. These little things, Gilderoy Lockhart in OOTP for example, just makes it a better experience imo. Same with Dobby, plus who's very important to the plot.

 

[Dr. Fate]

So Dobby's not in OOTP. I have to say, I was never a big Dobby fan. I found him more annoying then anything. But he was important to the plot of OOTP.

What do they do now? As Matt says, give the discovery of the ROR to Hermione??? I could actually see them doing that. But to me, this is a poitless change. Why not have Dooby appear? It's not exactly like it's going to lenghthen the movie drastically.

Sometimes, I can see change being nessercery. This, I cannot.

Was it really necessary for Hermione to say "Hearing voices no one else can hear is not a good thing, not even in the wizarding world" instead of Ron really necessary? Was Hermione saying Ron's line "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too!" really necessary?

 

[OtepApe]

Was it really necessary for Hermione to say "Hearing voices no one else can hear is not a good thing, not even in the wizarding world" instead of Ron really necessary? Was Hermione saying Ron's line "If you want to kill Harry you'll have to kill us too!" really necessary?

Nope it wasn't. Hey, I am one of Ron's big supporters as far as him getting the shaft in the movies. Also, the explanation of what a Mudblood is. Hermione was clueless in the book, it was Ron who explained it.

I admit a LOT of tha changes they have done are pointless, including the Dobby change. Judging from our previous conversations, I thought you would know my view on this.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Nope it wasn't. Hey, I am one of Ron's big supporters as far as him getting the shaft in the movies. Also, the explanation of what a Mudblood is. Hermione was clueless in the book, it was Ron who explained it.

I admit a LOT of tha changes they have done are pointless, including the Dobby change. Judging from our previous conversations, I thought you would know my view on this.

The more pointless the change, the more it sucks.

Another pointless change from GOF - Hermione showing up at the Yule Ball in a putrid pink Pepto Bismol dress instead the blue dress she was said to have worn in the book.

 

[OtepApe]

The more pointless the change, the more it sucks.

Another pointless change from GOF - Hermione showing up at the Yule Ball in a putrid pink Pepto Bismol dress instead the blue dress she was said to have worn in the book.

Ah yes, the Pepto Bismol dress, yes that was rather A-Bismol. Haha, you see what I did here. Haha.

*wipes tear from eye*

But no, I do agree with you. That dress was rather horrid.

So, what do you think about the scene with McGonagall teaching the students how to dance scene??? That was an original done for the movie. Did you agree with the movie implementing their own scenes??? I am guessing we will see more as the series runs along.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Ah yes, the Pepto Bismol dress, yes that was rather A-Bismol. Haha, you see what I did here. Haha.

*wipes tear from eye*

But no, I do agree with you. That dress was rather horrid.

So, what do you think about the scene with McGonagall teaching the students how to dance scene??? That was an original done for the movie. Did you agree with the movie implementing their own scenes??? I am guessing we will see more as the series runs along.

I like Maggie Smith well enough as McGonagall, but I do not support the filmmakers creating their own crap in place of the original material from the book. All it does is distort the original version and, 9 times out of 10, makes the characters look bad.

 

[Matt]

Ah yes, the Pepto Bismol dress, yes that was rather A-Bismol. Haha, you see what I did here. Haha.

*wipes tear from eye*

But no, I do agree with you. That dress was rather horrid.

So, what do you think about the scene with McGonagall teaching the students how to dance scene??? That was an original done for the movie. Did you agree with the movie implementing their own scenes??? I am guessing we will see more as the series runs along.

McGonagal was so out of character in GOF it wasn't even funny. She would not be caught dead teaching students how to dance. She would see it as trivial and unneccessary. Furthermore, her forgetting to tell Harry about the champion dance was so out of character. Since when is McGonagal an absent minded old woman?

 

[Matt]

So Dobby's not in OOTP. I have to say, I was never a big Dobby fan. I found him more annoying then anything. But he was important to the plot of OOTP.

What do they do now? As Matt says, give the discovery of the ROR to Hermione??? I could actually see them doing that. But to me, this is a poitless change. Why not have Dooby appear? It's not exactly like it's going to lenghthen the movie drastically.

Sometimes, I can see change being nessercery. This, I cannot.

Exactly, it would take just as much time for Dobby to tell them, then it would for Hermione to lecture them about reading Hogwarts: A History and then tell what she knows. It is just a stupid change to over glorify Hermione.