The Official Thread For: Harry Potter & The Order Of The Phoenix

[BloodyWolverine]

I apologize for not posting on here for i hink the last 2 potter films were phenominal. I just have been caught up in Pirates 3 my new favorite movies. But make no mistake have been a fan of the movies since Sorcerors Stone.

So can anyone catch me up to how long it will be and what seens are cut form the movie that people liked in the book and also what wa skept in the book to film. Catch me up please Gonking.

 

[Marvolo]

This is how I think it is going to play out. Cho will tell Umbridge that the DA is having meetings. Umbridge will take Harry, Cho, and maybe others to Dumbledore's office. Umbridge will ask Cho to tell the Minister Fudge what she told her. Cho in the presence of the other DA members will chicken out and say she lied. Umbridge will forec her to take veritaserum, and tell what happened. This would be a way that Harry could be mad at Cho.

 

[Marvolo]

This is how I think it is going to play out. Cho will tell Umbridge that the DA is having meetings. Umbridge will take Harry, Cho, and maybe others to Dumbledore's office. Umbridge will ask Cho to tell the Minister Fudge what she told her. Cho in the presence of the other DA members will chicken out and say she lied. Umbridge will force her to take veritaserum, and tell what happened. This would be a way that Harry could be mad at Cho.

 

[Matt]

but you are assuming things that you and matt doesn't know yet, and I pointed out them, and you didn't answer me. How do you know that in the movie Umbridge won't have the slightest idea of the DA existence? or How do you know when Umbridge will give Cho the veritaserum?

If that is the case, why did she give Cho veritaserum? Also, someone suggested she did it in Dumbledore's presence. I don't think Dumbledore would allow that. He proves in that scene that he can whip everyone in the room and the only time he ever gets mad in that scene is when Umbridge lays her fingers on Marietta. If he won't let a student get shaken a little bit, I hardly think he will allow one to get drugged.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to be apologetic for the movie Gonking.

 

[Gonking]

No need to put it in capital letters, my eyesight is just fine.

There is a plot hole in the movie. Why would Harry be pissed at Cho for telling the truth after she was slipped a truth serum?

why not? Harry is a human being and, as we know, in the fifth book he is "a little sensitive", and is all the time pissed with everybody.



and you keep not answering my questions...

 

[Mr. Socko]

I always thought that Umbridge would be really really fat.

She's just pudgy in the movie.

 

[Gonking]

If that is the case, why did she give Cho veritaserum? Also, someone suggested she did it in Dumbledore's presence. I don't think Dumbledore would allow that. He proves in that scene that he can whip everyone in the room and the only time he ever gets mad in that scene is when Umbridge lays her fingers on Marietta. If he won't let a student get shaken a little bit, I hardly think he will allow one to get drugged.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to be apologetic for the movie Gonking.

as I said before, maybe Umbridge suspected that Harry and his friends were doing something, so she gave the veritaserum to one of his closest: Cho. Who knows?

And I don't remember the part that says that all happened in Dumbledore's presence, but it won't be the first mistake in a Harry Potter movie. The point is that there are not holes in the plot. At least for now.

and I don't understand why you keep bashing Harry Potter movies when we all know that adaptations from books to movies are exceptionally accurate.

 

[Gonking]

I apologize for not posting on here for i hink the last 2 potter films were phenominal. I just have been caught up in Pirates 3 my new favorite movies. But make no mistake have been a fan of the movies since Sorcerors Stone.

So can anyone catch me up to how long it will be and what seens are cut form the movie that people liked in the book and also what wa skept in the book to film. Catch me up please Gonking.

Well, I don't know because I haven't seen the movie, but according to one of the reviews:

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No Mundungus, the Black family tapestry is enormous, Remus still has his moustache.
No scenes where Harry thinks he might be possessed, so there is also no "lucky you" scene(ditto to no chocolate in the library scene)
Luna is very good and gets good screentime
The Weasley exit scene was shorter than the book. No "line," no swamp, but they DO fly off.
Dumbledore doesn't stun the ministry officials when they're in his office, he simply smiles, says "I wonder how you'll catch me", grabs Fawkes and disappears.
The ending, for once, is not cheery
You get to see the patronuses of all the DA members; Luna's is a rabbit
Harry's hand has "I must not tell lies" on it
Kreacher is in the film, but his SFX are very incomplete and they said he looked cartoonish at this stage, so no real verdict on him yet. He is in two scenes
When Arthur is injured and Dumbledore is ignoring Harry, Harry gets angry at Dumbledore for not even looking at him and yells at Dumbledore, which apparently elicits a surprised response from him (Dumbledore) - Dumbledore insists on having on Harry having an Occulumency lesson with Snape right away.
Lupin gets very little screentime whilst Sirius is in few scenes (he should be!)
While the special effects weren't complete, the Sirius death scene is very, very good. As he is falling, it goes into slow motion and the sound is muted. Afterwards Lupin holds Harry back before Harry rushes after Bellatrix
Ginny gets just as much priority as she did in GoF, being without exception the most minor character of the sextet, but she does come along for the ride during the final battle
Molly is in and she is very cheery
Percy is indeed in the film (unsure about fights with his family)
Cho is the Snitch - The scene involves the Umbridge blowing a hole in the RoR, with Cho standing next to her. Harry and co. all get detention (the pic of Harry and the Weasley/Patil twins at the top of the page), Harry ignores Cho for the rest of the film.
The young marauders scene is a minute or two long, about James bullying Snape. All marauders are there, but focus is on those 2. Lily's there, but there's no 'helping Snape', 'mudblood' comment. The BIG difference is that this is NOT a pensieve scene - Harry's practicising Occulemency and delves into Snape's mind and sees this - Snape gets mad, and stop the lessons (because of this).
There's no St. Mungo's scenes - No Lockhart, no Neville's parents. Neville just tells Harry about his parents.
The Voldemort / Dumbledore fight is intense (and YES, DD does call him Tom which pisses him off). No statues protect Harry, he's just pinned to the wall. Voldemort smashes glass to throw at DD and Harry, which DD blocks. Voldemort DOES possess Harry, and DD helps by reminding Harry the difference between Harry and Voldemort (love and friendship). Scene ends as in book.
No Ron Brain's scene OR Locked room, BUT there IS both the Prophecy Room and Veil room moment when Harry, Luna, Neville (and Ginny?) are drawn to it, whilst Ron and Hermione aren't.
Not much H/G or R/H shipping scenes, just moments.
During the Harry/Bellatrix chase, Harry DOES attempt the Cruciatus (and fails). This time, it's Voldemort who comes and tells Harry he has to have hate to perform the curse (i.e. more between these 2).
Professor Grubby Planks has a cameo in the film, at the beginning feast.
The Christmas scene at Grimmauld IS there, but brief, and Mr Weasley's attack IS there, but only the attack (and recovery).
There IS the final DD/Harry scene where he explains WHY he didn't look at him all year, and the prophecy.
There is a mention of Harry's name in the papers. Seamus admits his mum didn't want him to come back to Hogwarts (because of Harry) at the beginning, but no big fight.

The last line is about "something worth fighting for", with the sextet going home for the summer. Right now the running time stands at two hours, thirty minutes.

 

[Matt]

as I said before, maybe Umbridge suspected that Harry and his friends were doing something, so she gave the veritaserum to one of his closest: Cho. Who knows?

And I don't remember the part that says that all happened in Dumbledore's presence, but it won't be the first mistake in a Harry Potter movie. The point is that there are not holes in the plot. At least for now.

and I don't understand why you keep bashing Harry Potter movies when we all know that adaptations from books to movies are exceptionally accurate.

Of course it has holes. We have already pointed them out to you countless times. Here is an example. Why give Cho the veritaserum? If you are right and she wanted to give it to Harry's closest friend...why not Ron or Hermione? Why Cho? Cho and Harry have at this point have hung out together once. Why would Umbridge pick her?

 

[Gonking]

why not?


You pointed them out and I've answered every one of them with clear arguments.

 

[Mr. Socko]

It's mad how these books/films transitioned. The first was a complete kids book, even went so far as having a very kiddy cover. But later down the line they got pretty dark. The first few seemed more kiddy oriented, the last few seemed more adult oriented.


On another note, how long do you guys think Pottermania will last? The last book comes out this year and the last movie will probably be about 2010. What else is there left? I believe it'll start to fade if more isn't written or more movies or anything aren't made.

I'd personally like to see a tv show about James Potter at Hogwarts. We'd get to see all of the older characters in a younger pose.

 

[mclay18]

To me, it's not about how she knows or when she gives it to her. I just think the entire proposal is a bad idea. They could have easily have gone the the books version, being that it's logical an all. Well as logical as something magical can be anyway. Rather than this, which is just daft and has just been used to make the story what? More compelling, exciting, characterised? It serves no purpose really and is just silly.

Well, think of it this way. Maybe they altered a small thing in the book and used for a different character to better cinematic effect. I think the Inquisitarorial Squad

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will tip off Umbridge about who's closer to Harry and say it's Cho. Umbridge invites Cho up to her office, slips her Veritaserum in the drink and then asks Cho if Harry is doing anything "illegal" under her nose. With her under the influence of Veritaserum, Cho unwillingly tells Umbridge all she knows.

If they go that route, it's just logical as going back to Marietta as the sneak. And while I would've liked to see Marietta in the movie, I think there wouldn't be any contract signing and having SNEAK written on her face -- her role would probably be reduced to that of Rita Skeeter in the GOF movie.

And besides, Jo approved the final shooting script. So she approved of the filmmakers making Cho the sneak instead and it doesn't contradict anything in the last two books and movies. Don't see why many of you are complaining about it when it makes perfect sense movie-wise. If you want fidelity to the book, then ignore the movie altogether.

 

[OtepApe]

why not? Harry is a human being and, as we know, in the fifth book he is "a little sensitive", and is all the time pissed with everybody.



and you keep not answering my questions...

Why would they keep Harry being 'sensitive' in the movie? They obviously aren't too bothered with what came in the books, why bother keeping characteristics in the book?

Harry may be a grade A tit, but he's not an idiot. And only an idiot could see that Cho is to blame.


I am not answering your questions because you are not posing any questions in the things I am actually talking about. Your questions are placed as to what Matt is talking about, and I am sure he can handle those himself.

Well, think of it this way. Maybe they altered a small thing in the book and used for a different character to better cinematic effect. I think the Inquisitarorial Squad
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will tip off Umbridge about who's closer to Harry and say it's Cho. Umbridge invites Cho up to her office, slips her Veritaserum in the drink and then asks Cho if Harry is doing anything "illegal" under her nose. With her under the influence of Veritaserum, Cho unwillingly tells Umbridge all she knows.


If they go that route, it's just logical as going back to Marietta as the sneak. And while I would've liked to see Marietta in the movie, I think there wouldn't be any contract signing and having SNEAK written on her face -- her role would probably be reduced to that of Rita Skeeter in the GOF movie.

And besides, Jo approved the final shooting script. So she approved of the filmmakers making Cho the sneak instead and it doesn't contradict anything in the last two books and movies. Don't see why many of you are complaining about it when it makes perfect sense movie-wise. If you want fidelity to the book, then ignore the movie altogether.

Well it can't make too much sense. I have just asked why would Harry be pissed at Cho for spilling the secrets of the DA under the affects of a truth serum, and the answer that was given to me was 'he's a little sensitive'. Does that not seem a bit of a pissy reply?

Oh and don't get me started on Rita Skeeter in the GOF movie. That's another conversation. It doesn't really makes sense movie wise, unless you mean that the movies are trying to give themselves their own identity by cocking things up, then yes, it makes sense.

 

[Gonking]

Well it can't make too much sense. I have just asked why would Harry be pissed at Cho for spilling the secrets of the DA under the affects of a truth serum, and the answer that was given to me was 'he's a little sensitive'. Does that not seem a bit of a pissy reply?

Well, he was pissed with Ron, Hermione and Ginny for absolutly nothing...they told Harry that Dumbledore and the rest of the Order didn't allow them to send information to him and Harry was pissed anyway so...

 

[Mr. Socko]

Oova Bowl should direct Harry Potter 6 and 7.

 

[mclay18]

Oh and don't get me started on Rita Skeeter in the GOF movie. That's another conversation. It doesn't really makes sense movie wise, unless you mean that the movies are trying to give themselves their own identity by cocking things up, then yes, it makes sense.

I think they do have their own identity -- you're just being too nit-picky about it. Who knows, maybe when you see the damn movie it'll make sense. Is there anything else about the plot you want to complain about? Because I'd be more than happy to talk about that instead of listening to your constant *****ing about the Cho being the sneak bit. I'm satisfied with it and you're not, but you can't you just move on with it? I highly doubt that change will dramatically alter the structure of the film.

Really, you guys do make valid arguments about the cuts made to the books in order to trim it down to it, but it's an adaptation. Even if the book was short enough for everything to fit in the movie, there will inevitably be changes, whether it be switching things around or clarifying things to make it clearer to the audience members who haven't read the books. The only extremely faithful written media-to-film movie I can remember is 1996's The Crucible (it was a play, though), and even then there were scenes added to the film to give it more emotional weight cinematically.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Well, I don't know because I haven't seen the movie, but according to one of the reviews:

Spoiler

No Mundungus, the Black family tapestry is enormous, Remus still has his moustache.
No scenes where Harry thinks he might be possessed, so there is also no "lucky you" scene(ditto to no chocolate in the library scene)
Luna is very good and gets good screentime
The Weasley exit scene was shorter than the book. No "line," no swamp, but they DO fly off.
Dumbledore doesn't stun the ministry officials when they're in his office, he simply smiles, says "I wonder how you'll catch me", grabs Fawkes and disappears.
The ending, for once, is not cheery
You get to see the patronuses of all the DA members; Luna's is a rabbit
Harry's hand has "I must not tell lies" on it
Kreacher is in the film, but his SFX are very incomplete and they said he looked cartoonish at this stage, so no real verdict on him yet. He is in two scenes
When Arthur is injured and Dumbledore is ignoring Harry, Harry gets angry at Dumbledore for not even looking at him and yells at Dumbledore, which apparently elicits a surprised response from him (Dumbledore) - Dumbledore insists on having on Harry having an Occulumency lesson with Snape right away.
Lupin gets very little screentime whilst Sirius is in few scenes (he should be!)
While the special effects weren't complete, the Sirius death scene is very, very good. As he is falling, it goes into slow motion and the sound is muted. Afterwards Lupin holds Harry back before Harry rushes after Bellatrix
Ginny gets just as much priority as she did in GoF, being without exception the most minor character of the sextet, but she does come along for the ride during the final battle
Molly is in and she is very cheery
Percy is indeed in the film (unsure about fights with his family)
Cho is the Snitch - The scene involves the Umbridge blowing a hole in the RoR, with Cho standing next to her. Harry and co. all get detention (the pic of Harry and the Weasley/Patil twins at the top of the page), Harry ignores Cho for the rest of the film.
The young marauders scene is a minute or two long, about James bullying Snape. All marauders are there, but focus is on those 2. Lily's there, but there's no 'helping Snape', 'mudblood' comment. The BIG difference is that this is NOT a pensieve scene - Harry's practicising Occulemency and delves into Snape's mind and sees this - Snape gets mad, and stop the lessons (because of this).
There's no St. Mungo's scenes - No Lockhart, no Neville's parents. Neville just tells Harry about his parents.
The Voldemort / Dumbledore fight is intense (and YES, DD does call him Tom which pisses him off). No statues protect Harry, he's just pinned to the wall. Voldemort smashes glass to throw at DD and Harry, which DD blocks. Voldemort DOES possess Harry, and DD helps by reminding Harry the difference between Harry and Voldemort (love and friendship). Scene ends as in book.
No Ron Brain's scene OR Locked room, BUT there IS both the Prophecy Room and Veil room moment when Harry, Luna, Neville (and Ginny?) are drawn to it, whilst Ron and Hermione aren't.
Not much H/G or R/H shipping scenes, just moments.
During the Harry/Bellatrix chase, Harry DOES attempt the Cruciatus (and fails). This time, it's Voldemort who comes and tells Harry he has to have hate to perform the curse (i.e. more between these 2).
Professor Grubby Planks has a cameo in the film, at the beginning feast.
The Christmas scene at Grimmauld IS there, but brief, and Mr Weasley's attack IS there, but only the attack (and recovery).
There IS the final DD/Harry scene where he explains WHY he didn't look at him all year, and the prophecy.
There is a mention of Harry's name in the papers. Seamus admits his mum didn't want him to come back to Hogwarts (because of Harry) at the beginning, but no big fight.

The last line is about "something worth fighting for", with the sextet going home for the summer. Right now the running time stands at two hours, thirty minutes.

Thanks for the catch up on whats out. I'm sorry but is Helena Bottum Carter Bellatrix or was there another women cast. Sorry have paid much Potter attention been too obsessed with Pirates 3.

 

[Gonking]

Thanks for the catch up on whats out. I'm sorry but is Helena Bottum Carter Bellatrix or was there another women cast. Sorry have paid much Potter attention been too obsessed with Pirates 3.

Indeed, she is Bellatrix and she is going to be amazing!

 

[Mr. Socko]

Very eccentric just like her husband.

 

[Mr. Socko]

What do you guys think about Michael Gambon as Dumbledore?

I personally think he's an old hack. He's only there for the money. He knows nothing about Harry Potter. And I dont like his portrayal. He was interviewed not to long ago and the interview asked him how he likes working on the HP movies to smaller budget movies and he said something along the lines of "I get a bigger trailer and more money doing these type of movies, so at the end of the day, these are much funner.

He was asked does he think Harry Potter has a deeper meaning than just wizards and broomsticks and he replied "I don't know, I've never read the books. They're for kids, I only read my script and say my lines. If there's a real meaning to these movies and books I'll guess we'll find out in the last film"

What a hack.

 

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Shot of the houses of parliament
Shot of a train in Kings cross
Shot of the Ministry of Magic atrium filled with wizards
Shot of a closed door at the end of a dark coridoor
Panning shot of the veil, the ripped curtain blowing slowly in the wind
Shot of Harry walking through the station, the crowd parts and a man stands in pin stripe suite.
Fear shoots across Harrys face, the figure turns around, Voldemort stares back at harry,

shoot to black screen

Voiceover: Voldemort has gone into hiding, he's biding his time, gathering his followers.

Fast cut aways of A groups of masked figures surrounded by candles,
Shot of bella opening her eyes looking crazed.
Harry sat at the table in Grimauld place.

Harry: Why will nobody believe me?

Shot of a newspaper article landing on a table.

Sirius: Fear is a dangerous thing Harry

Harry standing facing court officials

Hermione: the Minister is trying to discredit you

Shot Umbridge at the podium in front of the school.

Umbridge: Let us usher in a new era of innovation

Ron: Whose the old broard

Hermione: (voiceover) Dolores Umbridge, Shes the Ministers secretary.

Shot of a classroom door swinging open

Umbridge: good morning children

Shot of Ron looking to Harry in confusuion
Umbridge stands Smugly at the front of the classroom

Umbridge: i will be taking over as Defence against the dark arts teacher, Wands down, textbooks out.

Hermione looking frustrated
Shot of kids writing.

Hermione: How can copying from a book teach you to defend yourself

Voiceover: she's taking over hogwarts

Shot of Filch Hammering new decree into the wall

Umbridge: this is my school now Mr Potter, i make the rules here.

Shot of kids looking miserable in the courtyard
Shot of Hermione bowing her head

Sirius: these are dangerous times, you must be prepared

Shot of hooded figures sweeping past a blown out wall
Shot of Bella laughing manically in the MoM
Shot of a tree being uprooted in the woods, Ron falls back to the floor

Hermione: You can teach us

Harry turns to Hermione dumbstruck
Shot of the DA practiscing, Ginny fires her Patronus, Luna pointing her wand
Shot of Ron approaching Hermione

Ron: dont worry i'll go easy on you

Ron is blasted into a wall, Hermione smiles at him.

Harry waking from a sleep

Ron: is it that dream again?

Shot of Harry in Dumbledores office

Harry: somethings not right

Quick Shots of Harry sweaty looking scared, Mcgonegall looking upset, Luna looking solemn

(The music swells to a halt)

Three large bangs (knocks on a door) against a black screen

Shot of Umbridge looking up, she walks to the Doors of the great Hall. they Swing open.

Shot of the educational decrees exploding off the walls
Shot of Bella throwing a spell
Shot of Umbridge pointing her wand at Harrys neck

Harry: get Back

Shot of The RoR walls exploding
Shot of Umbridges head explodes into flames, Fireworks shooting everywere
Shot of kids running riot through hogwarts

Umbridgevoiceover) Order, i will have Order

Shot of Lucius grabs the scruff of Harrys collar
Shot of Harry and the others stand in a blue room thats rotating
Shot of Azkaban walls exploding
Shot of Grawp scooping down to pick something up
Shot of Glass headin towards Harry

Voiceover: he's seeking the knowedge to destroy you

Shot of Voldemort Pointing his wand in the minestry of Magic
Shot of Dumbledore bursting into flames
Shot of Sirius standing next to Harry firing a spell, he turns to harry with a solemn look

Harry: SIRIUS!!!

the screen goes black

HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX

JULY 13TH

The new trailer will be released in the next fortnight

 

[I_Hate_U_All]

What do you guys think about Michael Gambon as Dumbledore?

I personally think he's an old hack. He's only there for the money. He knows nothing about Harry Potter. And I dont like his portrayal. He was interviewed not to long ago and the interview asked him how he likes working on the HP movies to smaller budget movies and he said something along the lines of "I get a bigger trailer and more money doing these type of movies, so at the end of the day, these are much funner.

He was asked does he think Harry Potter has a deeper meaning than just wizards and broomsticks and he replied "I don't know, I've never read the books. They're for kids, I only read my script and say my lines. If there's a real meaning to these movies and books I'll guess we'll find out in the last film"

What a hack.

I think he's doing a good job.

His energy, powerful screen pressence, the way he talks, and adds little special quirks to his performance kinda like a Yoda-version of dumble all work well for me.

I'm not sure of the validity of those quotes. Who says "funner"?

 

[Gonking]

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The new trailer will be released in the next fortnight

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The new trailer will be released in the next fortnight

Um what does that mean. Sorry if this is a stupid question.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

What do you guys think about Michael Gambon as Dumbledore?

I personally think he's an old hack. He's only there for the money. He knows nothing about Harry Potter. And I dont like his portrayal. He was interviewed not to long ago and the interview asked him how he likes working on the HP movies to smaller budget movies and he said something along the lines of "I get a bigger trailer and more money doing these type of movies, so at the end of the day, these are much funner.

He was asked does he think Harry Potter has a deeper meaning than just wizards and broomsticks and he replied "I don't know, I've never read the books. They're for kids, I only read my script and say my lines. If there's a real meaning to these movies and books I'll guess we'll find out in the last film"

What a hack.

Call cliche or what not even if he has did a previous Wizard role. I still think Ian McKellen would have beena great Dumbledore, Better then Gambon but i've gooten use to Gambon but the best Dumbledore was Harris and will always be so.