The Official Tom Welling Thread

[AgentPat]

I have no clue why I'm still up but is this (

) supposed to be an "oh, brother?"

Basically. LOL I was thinking more along the lines of, "here we go again..."

You know, not mentioning the "kiss" in my review (other than in the recap) got me the most comments in my review thread. People didn't understand how I *couldn't* have mentioned it. It was such an *ahem* important moment in the series...

It may or may not be important depending on where they go next season. There were so many parallels with Commencement, both in dialog and character interaction, the Chloe/Clark scene could swing either way. The writers were smart though and left themselves an out. I'm thinking a LOT will depend on what happens with the film. If for some reason they're prevented from moving Lois in the direction she *should* go, then I'd say expect the unexpected.

You were really close for me. This is closer though.

Looks like I'm striking out big time LOL. I liked that shot because...

1. It was fun to make - from an artistic POV (I dig the colors - very Talon-esque)
2. Any chance to live vicariously with Clark is okay by me. Lana, Chloe, Alicia, Lex.... - bring it on babe. LOL
3. It was a memorable scene, and if some happiness comes out of it for Clark next season (short though it would likely be), I'm all for it.

Don't get me wrong; Clark "discovering" Lois can't come soon enough. But he's gotta get out of his mopey funk and realize there are indeed other fish in the sea. He keeps saying he can't imagine loving anybody else. Gah! [Pat slaps Clark upside the head] Dude! Wake up man. LOL

So, if Chloe can be the catalyst to Lois and Clark's glue, lets get that show on the road, and PRONTO!

Where do you all find those interesting smileys.

I collect the ones that I like and save 'em for future use. In a world where intent isn't always clear based on words alone, smileys are invaluable.

Wishing it was me and not TW

Heh! Pat -> wishing it were me and not AM.



Kal-El 8, hmm... okay. I get the hint. Was only trying to bring some levity to the forum, but I'll abstain from directing that kind of show humor your way.

Tony, it was a completely unnecessary comparison. Please, just listen to C. Lee and let it go. I had no idea Kal was so touchy about it, so I won't joke with him any more on the subject.

Hey Avid, you wondered why I wasn't around much? Well, there ya go babe. Is it July yet? *sigh*

 

[avidreader]

It may or may not be important depending on where they go next season. There were so many parallels with Commencement, both in dialog and character interaction, the Chloe/Clark scene could swing either way. The writers were smart though and left themselves an out. I'm thinking a LOT will depend on what happens with the film. If for some reason they're prevented from moving Lois in the direction she *should* go, then I'd say expect the unexpected.

Don't get me wrong; Clark "discovering" Lois can't come soon enough.

I'm thinking that we wont see any Lois and Clark, just the not so subtle hints that we keep getting.

I was watching Fade the other day and Lois's comment to Graham about Clark not being her boyfriend in this lifetime told me exactly what they are or arent going to be doing with their relationship.

It struck back to Margot Kidder's comment in Crusade when she was speaking about Dr. Swann and her having a relationship in another lifetime.

some happiness comes out of it for Clark next season (short though it would likely be), I'm all for it.

Yeah, Clark needs some happy. He had a tough Season 5.

Heh! Pat -> wishing it were me and not AM.

Me, me, me, me!

Hey Avid, you wondered why I wasn't around much? Well, there ya go babe. Is it July yet? *sigh*

Yeah, I get your meaning.

Tony you keep saying that its inevitable that the movie is brought into discussion, but there appears to be only two or three posters who keep bringing it into a conversation in a big way.

Most of the time its just referred to as

"the film"

Kal8 you said you wanted to be my friend. You have to play nice if you want friends.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I'm thinking that we wont see any Lois and Clark, just the not so subtle hints that we keep getting.

I was watching Fade the other day and Lois's comment to Graham about Clark not being her boyfriend in this lifetime told me exactly what they are or arent going to be doing with their relationship.

It struck back to Margot Kidder's comment in Crusade when she was speaking about Dr. Swann and her having a relationship in another lifetime.



Yeah, Clark needs some happy. He had a tough Season 5.




Me, me, me, me!




Yeah, I get your meaning.

Tony you keep saying that its inevitable that the movie is brought into discussion, but there appears to be only two or three posters who keep bringing it into a conversation in a big way.

Most of the time its just referred to as

"the film"

Kal8 you said you wanted to be my friend. You have to play nice if you want friends.

but why bring it up all? Thats all I am saying if you guys bring it up your really just giving anybody an open door to talk about it . Then gyou get upset afterwards why not just leave it out of the SV thread altogether and the problem is solved.

 

[KalKai]

lol we don't bring it up, it always starts from the other side, i've seen it happening lots of times now.

 

[avidreader]

but why bring it up all? Thats all I am saying if you guys bring it up your really just giving anybody an open door to talk about it . Then gyou get upset afterwards why not just leave it out of the SV thread altogether and the problem is solved.

Well to answer your question. I think there was a discussion between Pat and Triplet regarding the Lois, Chloe & Clark relationship. Pat answered that depending on what happens with the film will show just how far they can go with Lois and Clark on Smallville.

Often then, someone who is very emotionally attached to the film will come along and elaborate turning it into a big discussion about the film.

Get my point.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well to answer your question. I think there was a discussion between Pat and Triplet regarding the Lois, Chloe & Clark relationship. Pat answered that depending on what happens with the film will show just how far they can go with Lois and Clark on Smallville.

Often then, someone who is very emotionally attached to the film will come along and elaborate turning it into a big discussion about the film.

Get my point.

I get what your saying now. When the movie is talked about it is mostly in saying depending on what happens in the movie is how far SV can go with things then people blow it up to something bigger then what it is meant to be got you.

 

[avidreader]

 

[Pixiedust]

Things like that should come with a warning tag.

*Tells lunch to stay where I put it*

Sorry, Pat, your pics usually make me want to drool in a good way, but that makes me have a bad reaction. And I've been so good to stay away from the bad places *Chloe=Lois discussions* *cough*

I know there is a possibility that they will go with a Chloe/Clark relationship next year and I just don't know how I'm going to feel about it. To me, Clark has never felt that way about Chloe. She's been a great friend to him all year and I know relationships can grow out of friendships like that but there are usually hints of interest along the way and I just have never seen that from Clark's side of the fence so if he all of the sudden decided Chloe was the girl for him that would just come too out of the blue for me.

Way back in Devoted he said he didn't feel that way about her, at least not at that point but I haven't seen that change. In fact, I think it was pretty obvious leading up to the finale that he still loved Lana, even though he accepted that being with her would never work out. So a sudden interest in Chloe (just because she grabbed him and kissed him again---seems to be her pattern) would be out of character for Clark.

I guess I don't trust Al and Miles to build up a relationship slowly between the two, showing that Clark and even Chloe want to take it slow. I imagine them throwing the two into an all out romance which I just don't think I could buy.

I'm all for Clark moving on from Lana and getting ready for the relationship he will one day have with Lois, but I just don't want Chloe to be the stepping stone he uses to do it.

But I do have to admit Tom looks really hot in that pic. Of course he always looks hot so that's nothing new. But there is just something about him with his eyes closed. Or open. Oh heck, I'm easy.

 

[triplet]

Basically. LOL I was thinking more along the lines of, "here we go again..."

Well, that too but Serene's smiley (

) might be closer to the mark...

It may or may not be important depending on where they go next season. There were so many parallels with Commencement, both in dialog and character interaction, the Chloe/Clark scene could swing either way. The writers were smart though and left themselves an out. I'm thinking a LOT will depend on what happens with the film. If for some reason they're prevented from moving Lois in the direction she *should* go, then I'd say expect the unexpected.

Well, I didn't see it as being as important as some people apparently did.

I agree with Pixie on one thing: I just don't see Clark going there right now. They haven't foreshadowed a major change in his attitude toward her. Not. At. All.

If they do go with Clark and Chloe getting it on and, as nauseating as him hooking up with Chloe is, if it will get him over his intimacy issues then it might work in a larger sense as far as his character arc is concerned. That said, I think they will have to tread lightly and build up to it if they do go that route....

A light can't just go off and he wake up one morning head over heels in love with her. That'd be stretching it, really...

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well I for one thinks he should not hook up with Chloe. I mean come on this swapping thing has got to stop. I mean its like the Young and the Restless everybody slept with or made out with one another some where down the line. Clark needs to go solo and the only person who he needs to hook up with is Lois.

 

[thebigtree95]

So the consensus here is that Chloe is not liked by most posters?
I'm still getting the hang of it here.

 

[triplet]

It's not that I don't like Chloe, I love her... she's great.

I just don't think she's good romantic interest material for Clark.

I mean, they have a very brother/sister type relationship to me. I'd be grossed out by it like seeing Shannon and Boone doing it on Lost.

That was major ewww even though they were step siblings...

I think Clark and Chloe doing would have a similar eww factor for me because of that.

 

[thebigtree95]

Ah.

 

[triplet]

Welcome, btw....

 

[Pixiedust]

I'm with Trip. It's not that I dislike Chloe. I actually like her a lot as Clark's best friend and she and Lois have a great relationship as cousins that is so fun to see.

My two biggest problems with Chloe are 1) her supposed fans (chloe=lois)=ugh and the fact that she has been used more as a plot device this season than a flesh and blood character with flaws that she has been before.

But I actually like Chloe. Just don't want her with Clark.

 

[Serene]

I'm with Trip. It's not that I dislike Chloe. I actually like her a lot as Clark's best friend and she and Lois have a great relationship as cousins that is so fun to see.

My two biggest problems with Chloe are 1) her supposed fans (chloe=lois)=ugh and the fact that she has been used more as a plot device this season than a flesh and blood character with flaws that she has been before.

But I actually like Chloe. Just don't want her with Clark.

Ditto.

 

[Brainiac 8]

So the consensus here is that Chloe is not liked by most posters?
I'm still getting the hang of it here.

Most are indifferent and just don't like how much attention they spend on her.

Me Personally Thebigtree, I love her character. She is one of the three characters I find most interesting.

 

[triplet]

I'm with Trip. It's not that I dislike Chloe. I actually like her a lot as Clark's best friend and she and Lois have a great relationship as cousins that is so fun to see.

My two biggest problems with Chloe are 1) her supposed fans (chloe=lois)=ugh and the fact that she has been used more as a plot device this season than a flesh and blood character with flaws that she has been before.

But I actually like Chloe. Just don't want her with Clark.

Exactly!

 

[avidreader]

It's not that I don't like Chloe, I love her... she's great.

I just don't think she's good romantic interest material for Clark.

I mean, they have a very brother/sister type relationship to me. I'd be grossed out by it like seeing Shannon and Boone doing it on Lost.

That was major ewww even though they were step siblings...

I think Clark and Chloe doing would have a similar eww factor for me because of that.

I agree with you here, although I dont think it would drive me to spew if they did hook up.

They have such a great platonic relationship why spoil it with a romance.

Even though Clark has never shown any romantic feelings to Chloe and has stated the opposite, they could have it that once he finally gets over Lana he does actually wake up and see that the "right girl" has been in front of him all long.

I dont see that happening though and just rewatching some of the episodes since Clark and Lana broke up, I cant say I'm too thrilled with the way that Chloe has been telling Clark to get over Lana.

For instance, telling Clark that the choices Lana makes are her business despite the fact that Chloe knows very well what Lex is capable of.

Chloe knows Clark still cares about Lana as he does about alot of people, so why shouldnt he show concern for Lana's well being, when the reason he broke up with her was because he wanted her to be happy.

Chloe's attitude and approach is showing signs of her swooping in and trying to win Clark over. I'm not sure I like that.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

The back cover to Look up in the sky is out and no Welling either now this may be old news but I am kind of upset about this one.

 

[Serene]

I should clarify since I was running out before.. (besides, one-word "ditto" posts usually annoy me. ).

My puking smiley had nothing to do with Pat's artwork. As usual, I loooove Pat's pictures - but the subject matter in this case, is just really distasteful to me. To be blunt - I hate the whole idea of "Chlark." What's bad, is that I hate it so much that if the show actually does go there, I'm going to have to fast-forward through it and miss bits of Clark. Now that's really bad (and upsetting ) but yeah.. that's how strongly I feel about it.

Granted, Lana's my girl, and the only one I want to see him with.. but I loved his scenes with Alicia. The big difference there is that I thought he had some really good (and hot) chemistry with Alicia, but with Chloe, it's like oil and water and nails scraping a chalkboard.. both at once. *shivers*

I'm still not all there for the Clois that I do think is going to happen. I am curious to see how it plays though. I can see them throwing in some Clois kisses similar to the way they threw in a few of the Chloe ones.. with Clark and Lois having to "pretend" and kiss each other while trying to solve something. Meh.. the Lois-foreshadowing works fine IMO, but they need to refrain from the sledgehammer to the face WINK-WINK moments. I think the Clois should be a more natural progression for all of them..

Honestly, and I don't mean this to sound like Chloe-hatred, because I don't hate her character at all.. but now that they have Lois, and if they really are going to utilize her more and more - I find Chloe more expendable and obtrusive than ever. Lana should be his go-to hometown close friend, and Lois is the investigative partner/future girlfriend.

And can I just say here that I KNEW Chloe still had feelings for Clark that she's never gotten over - but I guess it's hard to blame the girl for that.
In Reckoning, when Clark told Chloe that he proposed to Lana.. first she just about **** herself - then she wants to know how SHE reacted . That scene with her was much more revealing than I think most people picked up on.

"Losing track" of Lana at the political rally (you know, after promising to not take her eyes off of her) was probably intentional... With roomies like Chloe, Lana better learn to sleep with one eye open.

 

[avidreader]

And can I just say here that I KNEW Chloe still had feelings for Clark that she's never gotten over - but I guess it's hard to blame the girl for that.
In Reckoning, when Clark told Chloe that he proposed to Lana.. first she just about **** herself - then she wants to know how SHE reacted . That scene with her was much more revealing than I think most people picked up on.

"Losing track" of Lana at the political rally (you know, after promising to not take her eyes off of her) was probably intentional... With roomies like Chloe, Lana better learn to sleep with one eye open.

Edit.

Moved comment to Relationships Thread.

 

[Serene]

Although I dont think Chloe deliberately lost Lana at the Victory Party, she just wasnt that interested in keeping as close an eye on her as Clark had asked her to do.

I was just kidding (and snarking) about that.. (see my little winky?)

 

[AgentPat]

My puking smiley had nothing to do with Pat's artwork...

Thanks, Rene. It seemed as if everybody got so hung up on what was IN the picture, nobody gave a second thought to how much time and effort that went into MAKING it, which kinda bummed me out.

I have no overriding 'ship preference for Clark. I know he ends up with Lois eventually, but until the writers are allowed to venture down that path, I'm TOTALLY open to whomever they want him to take a detour with. If Chloe is that person, so be it.

There have been instances throughout the show where Clark expressed more than just a friendship for Chloe. In Crush, he told Lana that he felt him and Chloe could be more than friends and admitted to being a little jealous when he saw Chloe with Justin. At the end of the ep, Clark offered to spend time with her at the journalism convention in Metropolis. She accepted, and they held hands, smiling at each other. In Obscura, Clark told Martha he had feelings for Chloe and asked Chloe to go to the Spring Formal with him as his date. She accepted, and he apologized for not asking sooner. In Tempest, Chloe had a panic attack that Clark would just leave her alone at the Spring Formal. He kissed her and assured her that he wasn't going to the dance with her by default, but because he wanted to. When Chloe picked him up to go to the Formal, they exchanged corsage and boutonnière as well as affectionate stares at each other. They slow danced at the Formal and embraced, looking into each other's eyes. If it wasn't for the tornado warning announcement, they would have kissed.

That's just the first season. To say he never was attracted to Chloe or had feelings for her is inaccurate. Obviously, he has. Now he may have changed his tune in episodes like Devoted, but Lana has flip flopped on the Clark topic MANY times as well, so they're all guilty of changing their romantic preferences - or at least the writers are.

Honestly, I don't understand the disgust some folks have with Clark dating Chloe. Right now, of all the characters on the show, Clark has the most in common with Chloe. Other than friendship with others and reporter confidentiality, they keep no secrets between each other. They are an open book and trust each other implicitly. Chloe loves Clark, knows he's an alien and would die for him. That's not disgusting, that's beautiful. Who else besides Martha would do that at this point in the show? Lex's vision in Lexmas was so on point, it was scary.

Anyway, if the writers are going to do the relationship shuffle, I think it would be more touching and meaningful to keep the relationships centric to the main cast. Bringing in new characters for that purpose only serves to water down the show as a whole. They shook things up by moving Lana over to Lex. There's only two other women left for Clark. Pick one. I really don't want to see him pine for Lana anymore. Being concerned for her safety and welfare is one thing - Clark cares about EVERYBODY - but it's time to replace the teen angst with some adult drama. Just the way I see it.

 

[Serene]

I really don't want to see him pine for Lana anymore. Being concerned for her safety and welfare is one thing - Clark cares about EVERYBODY - but it's time to replace the teen angst with some adult drama. Just the way I see it.

I agree completely about replacing the teen angst, but I can't agree about Chloe. I think the adult drama should be with Clark and Lana.. but I'm just an old school SV fan and they are *the* SV couple to me.

There's no point in arguing it though.. Unfortunately, the writers don't seem to be calling either one of us for advice. (Idiots!)

But hey.. you've got a better chance of Chlark happening next season than I do of having them "fix" Clark and Lana. Ah, well... I'll deal.

Back to the pretty.. something we can ALL agree on.
I know some of these have already been posted, but since I threw these together I thought I'd post them anyway.