The Official Young Avengers/Runaways Thread

[GNR]

I'd rather have all of the Young Avengers being brand new characters.

Anyone notice Iron Man not in the final 2 page spread?I think he immediately bailed to notify Eli's grandparents of what happened and initiate a blood transfusion ASAP.

 

[Fantastic Fan22]

I'd rather have all of the Young Avengers being brand new characters.

Anyone notice Iron Man not in the final 2 page spread?I think he immediately bailed to notify Eli's grandparents of what happened and initiate a blood transfusion ASAP.

I dont remember (dont have the issue with me) seeing Tommy in the spread either.

 

[Dread]

I like Young Avengers more than Runaways on the simple basis that there's only so much smartass teen backtalk that I can stand in a finite amount of time. The characters are all so rich and developed and it's pretty much the ongoing theme of the whole series but after the sixteenth "LOL grownups are evil and we know this for a fact 'cause our parents were evil LOL" crack in as many weeks, it tends to overdo it. And when I say "overdo it," what I actually mean is "Oh sweet baby Buffy will you please MOVE THE HELL ON already."

But there's no denying the quality of the comic. Definitely one of the top ten out there today.

I can understand where you're coming from, but I sort of understand that bit of RUNAWAYS because 1). It's their "schtick", sort of like how the X-books will always be about bigotry, 2). Many real life teenagers are "emo" and never let go of stuff, so why not have that depicted in fiction, and 3). They're from LA, a land well known for "emo" people.

YOUNG AVENGERS is a more straightfoward "teen heroes taking up the mantle of their adult counterparts through trials by fire with soap opera characterization", done right. RUNAWAYS isn't as spandex-prone (the characters have dumped codenames) and it more about your "teens against the world" sort of thing.

If the pair of teams were to fight, I think I'd give it to the YA. But the Runaways are underdogs, which is where they get a lot of appeal.

 

[GOODT!MES]

Tommy isn't depicted in any fight scenes- I think he's moving too fast and adding in blurs would clutter the panels.

I don't think Iron Man flew away yet, he might have been off-panel or behind Cap and thus out of view. I thought the same thing about the blood transfusion thing, except i thnik it'd be more personal, meaningful and showing of final acceptance(of the YA) if Cap were the one to give the blood(if he's compatible). I hate Patriot not having powers or actual training- "street skills" do not count when you're fighting aliens. Except for the part where he uses the downed Kree's gun, but I think Patriot was the one to KO that Kree, and they do have some of "the most advanced technology that makes them one of the most powerful races in the universe." Patriot has a shield, and blackness. That'll topple a kree with a gun that shoots a beam THROUGH his shield later in the book. Hey, though, they might have done something about Patriot's training in the Young Avengers special. I wasn't fortunate enough to get that one.

As a sidenote: I hope the "evil" Tommy on the cover (possibly wearing Billy's outfit) is just an allusion to his future costume (This would mean its similar to billy's, with the same headband, but altered bodywear [this would rule]) and not saying that he's going to become evil and try to usurp Billy's spot by killing him or whatever. I like all the Young Avengers, but Tommy's my current favorite. He's hilarious, and I like his troubled background.

 

[The Question]

I like Young Avengers more than Runaways on the simple basis that there's only so much smartass teen backtalk that I can stand in a finite amount of time. The characters are all so rich and developed and it's pretty much the ongoing theme of the whole series but after the sixteenth "LOL grownups are evil and we know this for a fact 'cause our parents were evil LOL" crack in as many weeks, it tends to overdo it. And when I say "overdo it," what I actually mean is "Oh sweet baby Buffy will you please MOVE THE HELL ON already."

But there's no denying the quality of the comic. Definitely one of the top ten out there today.

I know how you feel. I love the book, but when they betrayed Spider-Man for no good reason, I wanted to tear open the fabric of time and space, eneter the Marvel universe, and smack each and every one of them upside the head. I'd like to see some kid who actually likes his parents come along and smack some sense into them.

 

[GOODT!MES]

I'd like to see some kid who actually likes his parents come along and smack some sense into them.

Hey, would you look at that. Sounds like a job for the Young Avengers.

 

[Speedball]

so is Patriot dead?
i don't think he would survive that?
but my guess is Wiccan will heal him because he wants to heal him.

 

[Dread]

so is Patriot dead?
i don't think he would survive that?
but my guess is Wiccan will heal him because he wants to heal him.

The current theory on Patriot from #11 is that

Spoiler

he may REALLY get a blood transfusion from a super-soldier this time

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I know how you feel. I love the book, but when they betrayed Spider-Man for no good reason, I wanted to tear open the fabric of time and space, eneter the Marvel universe, and smack each and every one of them upside the head. I'd like to see some kid who actually likes his parents come along and smack some sense into them.

I know what you're saying; I felt sorry for Spider-Man as he seemed to genuinely want to help them out with Cloak, but it was understandable. They don't trust adults, as most teenagers do, especially in a world where many of them have superpowers. And it beat the usual "teen hero meets Spider-Man and is in awe of him" sort of team up.

 

[GOODT!MES]

Do the Runaways really get down to some adult-ripping in the "Escape to New York" story? You keep talking about how they always talk about not trusting adults, and I can't remember them saying this more than 3 times in all the issues up to Vol. 2 #7. I never got those issues, I decided to get it as a trade.

 

[Zoken]

In New York Nico actually knocks spidey out with a sleeping spell, and she and Chase coldly dismiss it as "We don't trust people like him" "You mean heroes?" "Adults."

 

[BrianWilly]

And later when the villain is like "I'm a grown man!", Gert says "Yeah...the evil ones usually are."

I mean, they have a good point, but come on now; the whole shtick is about this close to turning into a satire of itself. "Every time someone hints that adults are evil, take a shot!"

And it beat the usual "teen hero meets Spider-Man and is in awe of him" sort of team up.

I dunno...after all these Spidey crossovers where everyone treats him like the kid rookie when obviously no one should have any business treating him like a kid rookie, any crossover with some manner of awe involved might be a nice change of pace.

 

[Zoken]

actually this did all three if you recall.

Victor was practically wetting himself in awe. and to a certain extent both Gert and Chase expressed some reverence

Nico and Chase gave him the "We hate Adults" act.

and Iron Man and Wolverine were calling him "the Kid."

 

[Dread]

And later when the villain is like "I'm a grown man!", Gert says "Yeah...the evil ones usually are."

I mean, they have a good point, but come on now; the whole shtick is about this close to turning into a satire of itself. "Every time someone hints that adults are evil, take a shot!"

Oh, c'mon, everyone knows the best drinking game in Marvel comics is, "Ultimate Spider-Man loses his mask, take a shot!"

I see your point, but mine is that plenty of other comics are almost equally close to "satire" to the extent that they rely on their schtick. When have we ever seen the X-Men's status quo evolve beyond, "humans hate us to the point of murdering us in broad daylight"? Not often. Oh, I know, how about "Batman being a *****ebag" (which is equally mixed with, "Batman is always right").

I tolerate it a bit from RUNAWAYS because, not only is the book good, but I've known plenty of real life teenagers who stuck to the same emo routine for a while, regardless of what that pesky thing like "real life" showed them. They ALL think they know better.

I dunno...after all these Spidey crossovers where everyone treats him like the kid rookie when obviously no one should have any business treating him like a kid rookie, any crossover with some manner of awe involved might be a nice change of pace.

The problem is that the "Spidey is an 'everyman' loser" is HIS schtick, at least since USM became a breakout hit that consistantly outsold the core titles (until recently). It would be nice for someone, somewhere to treat Spider-Man as the experienced hero he is, but so long as writers consistantly write him as a feeb, that won't happen.

Would Spidey REALLY feel "out of his element" as an Avenger? He's teamed with the Avengers before. He's battled alongside EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE TEAM, aside for Sentry and Ronin, at least a half a dozen times. You'd think he'd be, I dunno, a little over it by now. But, well, that's Bendis for you. And that's why I get concerned for Spidey the further they pull him from his roots; Marvel's been TERRIBLE at making a "new direction" for him or a lot of their other characters actually WORK. Ever watched a show that had some good ideas, but failed to execute it/them well? Marvel does that a lot.

 

[ihateusernames]

And later when the villain is like "I'm a grown man!", Gert says "Yeah...the evil ones usually are."

I mean, they have a good point, but come on now; the whole shtick is about this close to turning into a satire of itself. "Every time someone hints that adults are evil, take a shot!"

I dunno...after all these Spidey crossovers where everyone treats him like the kid rookie when obviously no one should have any business treating him like a kid rookie, any crossover with some manner of awe involved might be a nice change of pace.

well, the fact is, the adults who double crossed them where in fact the adults everyone trusts more than anymore, their 'rents.
i know if i where them, one of the main things going through my mind would be "if my 'rents are evil... then anyone could be..."

plus, the first arc of the new series had a group of pre-adults being led by an adult to get them back into foster care. and when they re-surfaced at the end of the last series, captian america took them into foster care. if i where any of them, i would think they were evil, no, not pure and utterly dark evil, but there has been times when i have said words that are blatently not true... my mum taking my TV out of my room when it got to unclean, i called her evil then... if someone took my telepathic dinosaur away, i'd call them evil.

end of the day, they probably knew spider-man would help them, but then try and get them back into foster care. thats why they wouldn't trust him.

 

[Dread]

well, the fact is, the adults who double crossed them where in fact the adults everyone trusts more than anymore, their 'rents.
i know if i where them, one of the main things going through my mind would be "if my 'rents are evil... then anyone could be..."

plus, the first arc of the new series had a group of pre-adults being led by an adult to get them back into foster care. and when they re-surfaced at the end of the last series, captian america took them into foster care. if i where any of them, i would think they were evil, no, not pure and utterly dark evil, but there has been times when i have said words that are blatently not true... my mum taking my TV out of my room when it got to unclean, i called her evil then... if someone took my telepathic dinosaur away, i'd call them evil.

end of the day, they probably knew spider-man would help them, but then try and get them back into foster care. thats why they wouldn't trust him.

A great point; the Runaways are aware that "adults" typically do what they want regardless of what "kids" want, and often manipulate kids or outright lie or cheat them into "cooperating". Plus, well, as mentioned, they've had rotten supervillian parents who only LIED TO THEM THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, plus throw into the mix the meddling/judging of Excelsior, and even Capt. America at times standing against them...I wouldn't trust adults either. Especially if I was backed up by a mage, a hulking robot frog and a friggin' dinosaur.

Besides, how many of us really trusted adults as teenagers? I mean REALLY. Like, we always obeyed them, never broke a rule...c'mon. And we were all emo about it, too. Just we didn't realize it because "emo" can only be realized from the outside; with ourselves, we're always "justified". Sort of like Katie Ka-Boom's perennial response: "I'm NOT overreacting! I'M A TEEN-AGER!!"

 

[Anubis]

heh, Katie Ka-Boom. That takes me back.

 

[deemar325]

I think Patriot will get a power boost by Wiccan when he's healed.

 

[Dread]

heh, Katie Ka-Boom. That takes me back.

Yeah, ANIMANIACS rocked once upon a time.

Oh, as for "wanting to see a team-up where Spidey isn't treated like a tool", MTU #14, the issue that had Invincible meeting Spider-Man, was such a story. Kirkman made it very obvious that Invincible was the KID hero, and Spider-Man was the ADULT hero...who still has some "kid" in him. It was also the last issue of MTU to sell in the Top 100.

 

[Anubis]

It also happened in Gravity.

 

[Dread]

It also happened in Gravity.

True, although that only lasted a few pages (GRAVITY #4) so I sort of overlooked it.

Not sure if Patriot will get a power-boost from Wiccan or some super-soldier blood, but it would sort of be an ironic plotline. As it is, #12 surely has a lot to accomplish in only 22 pages.

 

[GNR]

Reading #11 again,Allan gets alot done on single pages.In 3 pages alone we get the revelation of Wiccan and Tommy's origin and Skrull's history with Mar-Vell.

 

[Dread]

Reading #11 again,Allan gets alot done on single pages.In 3 pages alone we get the revelation of Wiccan and Tommy's origin and Skrull's history with Mar-Vell.

Most definately; Heinberg's a godsend in the age of decompression. Which simply doubles the shame (or irony) of the book being constantly late.

 

[GNR]

Do you guys think he would ever go DC-exclusive?I hope not,he's a fine addition to Marvel's already poppin' bullpen.

 

[Dread]

Do you guys think he would ever go DC-exclusive?I hope not,he's a fine addition to Marvel's already poppin' bullpen.

Hell, man, I hope he sticks with Marvel whatever it takes. THE O.C. will end eventually, but he can write for Marvel for decades.

 

[deemar325]

Reading #11 again,Allan gets alot done on single pages.In 3 pages alone we get the revelation of Wiccan and Tommy's origin and Skrull's history with Mar-Vell.

Bendis could take some lessons from Heinberg.