BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[Zero_Effect]

one thing i will say i find it a bit odd that marvel directors are always showing off the comic book research they are doing

james gunn

josh boone director of x men: new mutants
https://***********/JoshBooneMovies/status/600360135274340352

Scott Derrickson director of doctor strange

you get the feeling that they are big fans of the source material

dont get that with DC

David Ayer ‏@DavidAyerMovies 7 Feb 2015

Canon #skwad - The DC universe is too rich to go very far astray.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm sure Snyder does his research. He's a fanboy after all. He just doesn't understand the characters.

Upstanding the characters isn't the be all and end all, at least, not for me.
I think what is most important is creating rules for the characters and the world they live in and then making sure the characters don't break the rules. Everything should work within the internal logic of the world you have created.

Once you have that established, you can set things in motion and have the characters react in the manner you have set the characters up to react.
Have the story be character driven rather than plot driven.

When the movie is plot drive the characters are ending up in a place because the PLOT tells them to - i.e. Superman and Batman right because that is the title of the movie.

It would have been much better if the titular characters fight because their ideals and philosophies put them at odds with each other and sets them on a collision course and their path inevitably cross causing them to fight.

Batman and Superman's 'no kill' policy is their character in the comics. When I go to the cinema I want to watch a good MOVIE and I will forgive the movie taking liberties with characters if the movie delivers a great character driven movie. X-Men: First Class takes a lot of liberties with the X-Men but who cares when you have a sensational movie with drama, action and most of all themes.

Put it this way, I would rather watch a great movie that has the essence of the characters then watch a dead on adaptation of the characters in a rubbish movie.

 

[TheBat812]

I think he understands the characters just fine. He is just more interested in pushing their limits and characters and challenging them, without feeling obliged to cater to what fanboys want. He'd rather push them as well to see their characters put in tough spots and make compromising choices. If it were any other character where fans/audiences came in with such pre-conceived characterizations, I think people would be way more down with the film. Most of the complaints from the fan world have more to do with the characterization being different than their own personal version because of x, y and z. Not that the film was without flaws, but those tend to be the things I've seen most discussed - Batman wouldn't do this because blah, Superman wouldn't do this, Lex wouldn't act like this....

 

[Tony Gunk]

That quote, plus that fact that he cited The Dark Knight Returns as his all-time favorite comic before getting the MoS gig, is enough to tell me he was never much of a Superman fan honestly. And it shows, imo.

This, this and this.

His favourite comic is one which sports a truly dreadful version of Superman. Never liked Frank Miller much for that reason alone.

 

[TheBat812]

This, this and this.

His favourite comic is one which sports a truly dreadful version of Superman. Never liked Frank Miller much for that reason alone.

Did you guys ever think that maybe he gets the character, you just don't like his interpretation and vision for that character? It just seems alot of times people say he 'doesn't get the character', because he's not finding the fun or the more positive sides of Superman, but isn't that less about the character and more about the depiction OF that character? As far as I can tell Snyder completely gets Superman as a three dimensional character and person moreso than alot of fans who treat him as some utter ideal. Snyder treats him like a person and shows that in what he represents in his story. Then it's all explored in the world Snyder finds interesting to place him in and interact with.

 

[Kobra]

Did you guys ever think that maybe he gets the character, you just don't like his interpretation and vision for that character? It just seems alot of times people say he 'doesn't get the character', because he's not finding the fun or the more positive sides of Superman, but isn't that less about the character and more about the depiction OF that character? As far as I can tell Snyder completely gets Superman as a three dimensional character and person moreso than alot of fans who treat him as some utter ideal. Snyder treats him like a person and shows that in what he represents in his story. Then it's all explored in the world Snyder finds interesting to place him in and interact with.

He gets the characters just fine. But there's a problem with the way they're written. He just doesn't focus on what could help the movie to be better.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Did you guys ever think that maybe he gets the character, you just don't like his interpretation and vision for that character? It just seems alot of times people say he 'doesn't get the character', because he's not finding the fun or the more positive sides of Superman, but isn't that less about the character and more about the depiction OF that character? As far as I can tell Snyder completely gets Superman as a three dimensional character and person moreso than alot of fans who treat him as some utter ideal. Snyder treats him like a person and shows that in what he represents in his story. Then it's all explored in the world Snyder finds interesting to place him in and interact with.

To be honest mate I don't even care if he gets it or not, the bottom line is the version he has presented to us is rotten

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

To be honest mate I don't even care if he gets it or not, the bottom line is the version he has presented to us is rotten

This!

 

[TheBat812]

To be honest mate I don't even care if he gets it or not, the bottom line is the version he has presented to us is rotten

But that's subjective. I love his Superman. He actually feels like a person who has to learn by making mistakes. Unfortunately his decisions have way bigger consequences.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I'm okay with Snyder's Superman.

His Batman looks like he kills more than Rorschach

 

[Jaxon]

Snyder loves Superman and these 2 movies prove it. What Snyder loves about The Dark Knight Returns comic is the relationship between the both of them, and that's what he explores. And he also asks the question, well if this guy Superman actually existed how would the world react? And I can't believe people have a problem with that, because the way the internet is reacting proves that Snyder understands completely how the world reacts. He gets it, most people don't.
The internet is like a bunch of alcoholics that don't think they drink too much.

 

[king666]

Snyder loves Superman and these 2 movies prove it. What Snyder loves about The Dark Knight Returns comic is the relationship between the both of them, and that's what he explores. And he also asks the question, well if this guy Superman actually existed how would the world react? And I can't believe people have a problem with that, because the way the internet is reacting proves that Snyder understands completely how the world reacts. He gets it, most people don't.
The internet is like a bunch of alcoholics that don't think they drink too much.

I'd argue that his "how the world would react to Superman?" question isn't even about Superman anymore. Snyder/Goyer changed a lot of stuff about the character's personality before executing that concept.

 

[Legendver2]

But that's subjective. I love his Superman. He actually feels like a person who has to learn by making mistakes. Unfortunately his decisions have way bigger consequences.

This. Snyder's MoS actually got me to start reading Superman comics.

 

[Legendver2]

I'd argue that his "how the world would react to Superman?" question isn't even about Superman anymore. Snyder/Goyer changed a lot of stuff about the character's personality before executing that concept.

How so?

 

[Tony Gunk]

But that's subjective. I love his Superman. He actually feels like a person who has to learn by making mistakes. Unfortunately his decisions have way bigger consequences.

It is subjective, and sadly for Snyder the general audience has decided his version is crap. Time for someone else to get a shot, like Krypton, Snyder has had his chance

 

[Tony Gunk]

Superman isn't even supposed to be relatable, after all he's supposed to be what we strive towards, not what we already are. I just think it was a poor route to go, and the box office says this is indeed the case

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Did you guys ever think that maybe he gets the character, you just don't like his interpretation and vision for that character?

No.

as a three dimensional character and person moreso than alot of fans who treat him as some utter ideal. Snyder treats him like a person and shows that in what he represents in his story. Then it's all explored in the world Snyder finds interesting to place him in and interact with.

Personally the point of Superman is that he is an ideal. But lets set that to the side for a minute. Assuming this was a more realistic take, the character is more fully fleshed out because of his doubts. Ok, but that was all played out in the first movie, it should not be taking Superman coming on three films now to reach his potential, that is just ridiculous. He comes off as emotionally stunted.

 

[antoineflemming]

^ I'm okay with Snyder's Superman.

His Batman looks like he kills more than Rorschach

He kills as much as Burton's Batman, but without a smile on his face.

 

[antoineflemming]

one thing i will say i find it a bit odd that marvel directors are always showing off the comic book research they are doing

james gunn

josh boone director of x men: new mutants
https://***********/JoshBooneMovies/status/600360135274340352

Scott Derrickson director of doctor strange

you get the feeling that they are big fans of the source material

dont get that with DC

That's quite the biased statement, considering there have been several pictures of DCEU directors and actors going to comic book shops.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Delete

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Snyder loves Superman and these 2 movies prove it. He gets it, most people don't.

The birth of snyder-ites

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
"... more than four or five lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
"... more than four or five lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

Jeez, it's almost like these character's shouldn't be "super-serious." I can't believe, like, just, how does that thought not occur to him when he says that?

 

[FunkMiller]

Jeez, it's almost like these character's shouldn't be "super-serious." I can't believe, like, just, how does that thought not occur to him when he says that?

It's almost like he isn't very smart, and has only had the chances he's had because he's in somebody's pocket at WB....

 

[king666]

"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
"... more than four or five lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

So Justice League is gonna be a silent film?