Comics tHE pHOENIX ENDSONG WAS AMAZING

Yeah Claremont was the best back then. Recently not so good.

Here are a couple of my favorite shots from Endsong.
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Miss Grey is gorgeous. :up:
 
The only thing land does bad is the faces for the girls.

They are all the same...

See his uff version of sue...the exact same face as jean.
 
Optic Rage said:
The only thing land does bad is the faces for the girls.

They are all the same...

See his uff version of sue...the exact same face as jean.

I think his girls are pretty good. Though he has a habit of recycling poses. I saw some recent promo shots for a cover or book he has coming out, and he ripped off a shot from Endsong. It looked like Jean, but was "another character". lol.
 
Intheknow101 said:
Yeah Claremont was the best back then. Recently not so good.

Here are a couple of my favorite shots from Endsong.

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Miss Grey is gorgeous. :up:

Really like that picture of her in her white outfit so nicely drawn.
 
It's a great miniseries... but, for something dealing with Phoenix, there wasn't as much destruction as I had hoped for... no real warpath. The ending was predictable - and I would have taken that over X3's ending. It was still a great buy. The art is amazing!
 
Mar420x said:
I cant believe i slept on it. after seeing x3 3 times i decided 2 pick it up @ the local shop and just got done reading it. i can see some parts in the book that movie was insprired by. the book kind of reminded me of astonishing x-men until i saw whedon wasnt the writer. i highly recommend this mini series who havent read it. i enjoyed it very much. cyclops was actually the star and not wolverine. lol. great book. peace

What does endsong have in common with the movie?? I've read endsong and watched the movie and I see no correlation. Endsong was brilliant the movie was crap.
 
BrianWilly said:
Well, my understanding is that the true form of the Phoenix just wouldn't have been "complete" in 1974.

The duty of the Phoenix is to judge the state of the universe, "burning away what doesn't work," and thus ensure that the universe goes on functioning safely. But the Phoenix Force is just that, a force; it has no personality of its own and no desire beyond the desire to feel desire (say that five times fast!). In fact, it usually can't even manifest itself without the aid of a mortal host. Even if the Phoenix Force is the original spark at the dawn of creation and the ultimate fire that will eventually consume existence, it's just not a person any more than magnetism is a person or the Big Bang was a person.

So how can a cosmic force act as the judge, jury, and executioner of the entire universe? This is where Jean Grey comes in, as the "person" aspect of this equation. Call it destiny or blind fortune or what have you, it just so happens that the omega mutant telepath/telekine Jean Grey of Earth is the ultimate, perfect avatar for the Phoenix Force to embody in order to carry out its work (in this 616 reality, at least). Sublime calls her the ultimate mutation...that is, evolution has placed her at the pinnacle of sentient life, capable of perfectly accessing the most primal and most infinite power in the universe.

Did the Phoenix Force merely wait until its avatar, this perfect "other half" of itself, was born through the random processes of evolution...or was she specifically created by the Force itself to act as its physical self? It's hard to say -- my own opinion is that the course of evolution in all universes would always eventually create this perfect Phoenix avatar and that in our universe it turned out to be Jean -- but the end result is the same: Jean Grey is the Phoenix, the one who embodies the Phoenix Force.

So actually, the question of what exactly Phoenix did before Jean was born is a bit misleading; technically, even though the Phoenix Force has been around forever, the Phoenix was only ever truly born when Jean was.

When Jean's human personality is dominant, she wears the familiar green costume. When the passion and power of the Phoenix Force takes over and overwhelms Jean's humane aspect, she wears the red costume of the Dark Phoenix. Neither one of these forms is truly capable of performing the duty of the Phoenix; the human Jean Phoenix doesn't understand this duty enough, and the Dark Phoenix doesn't have human understanding to control what she burns and doesn't burn. Thus, we end up with tragedies like the time Dark Phoenix ate that sun and killed an entire alien planet.

When both Jean and the Phoenix Force are in complete utter harmony with each other, however, they become the White Phoenix of the Crown, wearing the rarely-seen white costume. This is the true form of the Phoenix in this universe, the one true vessel to carry out its work of fixing the universe when it doesn't work anymore.

Wow, that was a much longer ramble than I had originally intended:O. Hope that cleared things up.

It seems Jean is Phoenix in many other realities as well. Not sure if what ifs are alternate realities, but she's phoenix in various "What if's", including the What if Phoenix had lived, What if Leigion had killed Magneto, What if Professor Xavier and Magneto formed the X-Men together. She's also Phoenix in Age of Apocalyspe, several realities where the Exiles have visited, ultimate universe, ronin universe, and even showed signs of being Phoenix in 1602.
 
sebita said:
Yet, on so many others, she isn't :p

Yet, being the operative word.
We haven't seen her as Phoenix yet. The world may never know since we spend so little time in alternate realities. Even in AOA, she didn't become Phoenix till much later. Same with the Manga universe. So you can't assume she won't become Phoenix just because it isn't shown considering the high number of realities where she is.:up:
 
The PhantaZm said:
What does endsong have in common with the movie?? I've read endsong and watched the movie and I see no correlation. Endsong was brilliant the movie was crap.

maybe the cyclops and phoenix struggle with wolverine in the mix buddy. peace
 
Intheknow101 said:
Yet, being the operative word.
We haven't seen her as Phoenix yet. The world may never know since we spend so little time in alternate realities. Even in AOA, she didn't become Phoenix till much later. Same with the Manga universe. So you can't assume she won't become Phoenix just because it isn't shown considering the high number of realities where she is.:up:

That is like saying that Storm in many realities becomes Eternity, just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen :p
 
sebita said:
That is like saying that Storm in many realities becomes Eternity, just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen :p

Point of difference being we've never actually seen Storm become eternity, have we?:) We've seen Jean turn into Phoenix in not just the regular universe (and not just once), but in many many realities. There's a basis for it that has already been shown.
 
Still we've seen plenty of Phoenixes not Jean (or must I remind you of X-Men 154 :p) so, she isn't always Phoenix throughout the Multiverse
 
sebita said:
Still we've seen plenty of Phoenixes not Jean (or must I remind you of X-Men 154 :p) so, she isn't always Phoenix throughout the Multiverse

Like I said, we've seen more universes with Jean as Phoenix than not. And those that we haven't seen we never got a chance to, but given the logic of patterns, it's more likely she would become Phoenix sooner or later.

And we don't know what those people in the white hot room mean. It could be just people that Jean's billions of pieces have possessed or come in contact with. Emma possessed a phoenix costume when Jean's fragment possessed her, but we know she's not Phoenix.
Or those are the people that have been absorbed into the heart of the phoenix---the white hot room, just like how Wolverine and Martha were being prepared for total absorption into the white hot room. :D
 
All that crap is just begging to be retconned... a couple of years from now, someone who didn't even read Morrison's run will write a PHoenix story and completely forget about all this and it will end up as nothing... mark my words.
 
sebita said:
All that crap is just begging to be retconned... a couple of years from now, someone who didn't even read Morrison's run will write a PHoenix story and completely forget about all this and it will end up as nothing... mark my words.

Except it's not just Morrison's run. It's Endsong. It's various issues over the years. It's the classic back up issues. It's the isues since then. And more importantly those issues follow directly off of Claremont's classic Dark Phoenix saga and Phoenix saga which the integrity has been restored. And every writer worth their weight should have read those sagas.

Anyways, since this is an Endsong thread, here is another lovely pic of Miss Grey:

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I love what Logan said about 'only naked in my dreams'', that made me laugh.
 
There is one issue of Wolverine where it happens... I think it was 12 (the latest run)
 
Bastila said:
I love what Logan said about 'only naked in my dreams'', that made me laugh.

That was cute. I found when Jean said this to Scott, it made me feel really bad for what became of their relationship in reference to the classic X-Men issue. It's eerie and sad at the same time knowing that he's now bumping uglies with Emma Frost:

"You dreamed of me when you were an orphaned child. Your heart jumped the day we met, and you'll reach for my hand the day you die." -Jeanhttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f72/NosDos/es1-p03.jpg
 
I actually think that's still very probably to happen (and it's a very good quote), since in the end, I don't think Scott will ever stop loving Jean. Just not in the same way he used to.
 
Intheknow101 said:
"You dreamed of me when you were an orphaned child. Your heart jumped the day we met, and you'll reach for my hand the day you die." -Jean

I too think that when Jean said this in End Song, it was largely true. It's just that before this entire Emma fiasco (Emma Frost? Talk about left field), Scott just sorta expressed it differently.

That being said, I definitely liked it better when Scott was with Jean.
 
Intheknow101 said:
"You dreamed of me when you were an orphaned child. Your heart jumped the day we met, and you'll reach for my hand the day you die." -Jean

Oh that made me think i wish they where still together. One day they will be lol, just got to get rid of Emma.
 
Ok one thing i still am reading essital X-men, and i just want to know how does Jean get shatted, Before Endsong?
 
Bastila said:
Ok one thing i still am reading essital X-men, and i just want to know how does Jean get shatted, Before Endsong?

How she gets's what? :eek:
 
Yeah shattered across the galaxy everywhere.

And hears some drawings i drew from Endsong i put together.

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