The pilot episode is a complete mess! (major spoilers)

[Lightning54SC]

it wasnt a bad show... you people need to relax, kick your feet up and enjoy seriously .....

 

[trusty]

I'll give you an opinion of a 30+ year reader of comics ... I thought the show was damn good. Period.

True fans of comics should have said "Hell yeah, that was cool!" A prime time TV show about "super heros". who would have thought ??

Go pick up ANY comic book and tell me what similarities that you DON'T see. That is a bad reason to pick this show apart .... There are a lot of good sub plots going that will fuel this show for quite some time.

100% agree with you there.
I've been a comic book fan for 30+ years and I didn't see any references to the X-Men that would make me think that it's a re-hash or rip off. Great material, great sub plots. Let the introductions get out of the way with the Pilot and you'll see some great stuff coming with future episodes.

I thought this show was fantastic. What really nails it is the fact that people with absolutely NO comic book history (my wife) walked away from this show thinking that it was great. That surprised me most!!

Looking forward to more from this series.

--SjN

 

[ReptileOrion]

I enjoyed the pilot. Pilot episodes are always a mixed bag because you have to establish the show's premise, introduce characters, and set the tone of the show. It is a different look at the superhero concept. You can't help but see the comparisons to X-Men. We'll see how this develops. I just hope they have enough time to devote to all of the characters that are introduced.

 

[Mixairian]

Oh really? It's EXACTLY like X-men, except - weirder powers, the people don't know each other, and they're all over the place. Hmmm...it sounds to me like you had certain, rigid expectations for this show, and when the pilot didn't meet them you condemned it.

You've seen THE PILOT. You're worried that the characters are all over the place and it doesn't look like they'll meet up right away? Gee, yeah, wouldn't want to do that, because why create a mystery and a sense of progress for an entire series when you can squish all that into a 58 minute period? Puh-leeze.

Second, you think the series is spending too much time on showing how the characters learned and reacted to their powers? I dunno, from the trailers and the commercials, it seemed to me like that was THE POINT OF THE SHOW. From what I gathered from interviews with the producers and such, it's not supposed to be a capes-and-tights job, it's about real people developing powers.

The reason for the powers is supposed to be a mystery spread out throughout the show, as are the connections between the characters. It sounds to me like you wanted everything explained in the 58-minute pilot. It sounds to me like you were expecting "Heroes" to be an ACTION-ORIENTED ADVENTURE SHOW, much like, say "X-MEN" (hint, hint), and when you found out it's a SCI-FI CHARACTER DRAMA/MYSTERY, you were disappointed.

But as for the poorly-written lines and bad acting, well, that's you're opinion. I haven't seen the screener myself, so I can't be a judge of that. Most of the people cast, in my opinion, have all proven themselves to be capable actors.

Basically, I'm sorry you didn't like the pilot, but from your description it just seemed like you had certain expectations for the show that weren't corroborated by the pilot and that gave you a negative experience. I'm still looking forward to it.

I think I'm in love with you.

Ahem. The screener that is more than likely illegally distrubuted from what I gather is very different from the episode we saw. Just keep that in mind when someone starts complaining about it. They're complaining, literally about a different show so to speak.

You can find the pilot episode on Torrent sites. If you like, I can upload it to www.yousendit.com for you to check out for yourself. You are right that I had alot of expection of the show. When I saw it, I decided to criticized what I have seen. I wasn't expecting it to be like X-MEN like you have written. Heroes is like Matrix trying to ripoff so many other sci-fi movies and compacting it into one elaborate trilogy. Heroes is trying to be like the 4400 and X-MEN all at once, though there maybe a mystery on how the characters on Heroes get their powers it does parallel the 4400.

The concept of a group of people banding together because the world is prejudice to them does predate the X-Men. Oh wait. The issue of the world being prejudice towards them hasn't arrived yet. Hmmm. Okay so that's one thing not X-Men like.

But they have super powers and are talking about genetics! I mean of course only the X-Men have characters with super powers and involved the concept on genetics as an explanation for them! There's never been another show/movie/book/anything that's given someone abilities that are amazing and used genetics to explain them.

As another eloquent viewer has already stated. This is a group of individuals that are just learning of their abilities and finding out who they are before they end up coming together (which is the likely outcome due to the opening prologue of the episode). The X-Men are supposed to be a group standing together versus adversity. This so far is a bunch of individuals finding themselves and how they fit into the world right now. It's not a unique concept but for the time being it's different.

Why do I think they should have the main characters meet each other and soon? Well if the show don't want to get cancelled soon that is my point. Has anyone seen Surface, Invasion and Threshold? Well, those shows delayed the mystery reveal and they are all cancelled now. Right now, tv viewers like to see progress but quicker progress. Shows like Lost and 24 remained to be critical hits because they moves the story along and resolves while opening more questions. On the show Surface, they have two out of three of the main characters never meeting each other until the last 15 minutes of the series finale before the mystery is revealed. Heroes has about 5 characters that may never meet each other if the rest of the series episodes is like the pilot. There is a theme here.

Yes a theme with the mass audience. I was watching the first episode and many peopel I spoke with felt that things moved to slowly, that there was not enough progression. I sat down and though about it. Why did I not feel this way? Simply put it has to do with geographic demographics. Most of the shows I watch are not from this country. They are long running and as many audience here would put it slow moving. They like to flesh out characters and storyline and build up to something grand. Personally I enjoy stories like this.

Rushing stories just to make them occur can cheapen the stories themelves or not bring about the desired effect. Small example: killing off a character that no one really knows much about or cares about has little impact but kill off a character who's been fleshed out and has meaning to the audience does.

My theory on why I don't find the slow and dragged out may be wrong but I'd rather the show fail then become a cheap action packed slug fest like a certain group of heroes you've been claiming are being copied.

I will send you a PM once the show is cancelled during the fall to see if you still thinks what I thought is wrong. Is that okay? If the show is renewed for a second season you can rub it in my face.

That's between you two. I wonder if he/she will be that petty to go along.

Well, if the mystery about how certain people gets their powers because they certainly evolved. Then it is a rip-off of X-MEN. If the powers are gifts from the future trying to prevent some kind of a catatrophy then it is a rip-off of the 4400. There is a scene of one of the painting where it depicted a nuclear explosion in New York from the guy that got his hand chopped off said that they need to prevent. That is so original.

You say that there is no point of having everyone together on screen because they are not suppose to form any kind of a team. Well, we will see how interesting each individual lives from episode to episode. Or rather episode 2 to 3 before it is cancelled. I don't see a single thing that is original about this show. Unless I failed to see something that other people saw.

Genetic evolution was not first originated from X-Men. It was one of the more popular incarnations of the 50's. The concept/theory of Evolution is a bit older than that and people believing that we could evolve into something greater has been around for a while. X-Men is not the beginning and the end.




Okay I give up. I contemplated responding to every post in this topic but if I read anymore stupid crap my brain might implode.

 

[porchmonkey408]

Studio 60 is a far better show than X-Men, Heroes, and anything else on TV plus Prison Break, Lost and 24 combined.

Eat that Heroes.

 

[celldog]

It was decent.

 

[porchmonkey408]

Yeah, Heroes was decent. Just...feels like its going everywhere we know it will.

Studio 60 owns you all.

 

[The Squirrel]

Yeah, Heroes was decent. Just...feels like its going everywhere we know it will.

Studio 60 owns you all.

Why are you comparing shows that aren't even similar?

Ok, you like Studio 60.

Congrats.

Job well done.
way up.



This is the HEROES thread. If you don't want to talk about HEROES then please leave.

 

[AnimeJune]

Yeah, Heroes was decent. Just...feels like its going everywhere we know it will.

Studio 60 owns you all.

I agree with both - plus, how sad is it that the first fifteen minutes of Sunday's Studio 60 episode was funnier than the entire Dane Cook-hosted premiere of Saturday Night Live?

You'd think that the point of getting rid of six cast members, and commissioning two shows (dramedy and comedy) based on the behind-the-scenes stories of YOUR show would be a sign that they're planning on overhauling the series to make it more entertaining again.

Meh, I'll still watch it though. I'm loyal.

 

[GhostPoet]

*shudders at mention of Studio 60* Horrible show...

 

[AnimeJune]

*shudders at mention of Studio 60* Horrible show...

How can you not like it? YOU HAVE NO SOUL!

 

[Sugarculted]

Watched it finally, and what can I say..I'm eagerly anticipating the 2nd episode.

I especially like Hiro.

Showed it to my mum, actually. She would never sit down and watch anything superhero related, yet she really enjoyed this show. Which I'm rather impressed about. Perhaps it can haul in new fans?

 

[Eddie Brock]

Watched it finally, and what can I say..I'm eagerly anticipating the 2nd episode.

I especially like Hiro.

Showed it to my mum, actually. She would never sit down and watch anything superhero related, yet she really enjoyed this show. Which I'm rather impressed about. Perhaps it can haul in new fans?

you don't have to wait
the entire episode is on NBC.com i think

 

[Silverstein]

All I can say is either give it a chance or don't watch it. But don't down the show. I mean I think they could do some things better, but it's still a great show. And I understand we're on the second episode. But people were bad mouthing it from the pilot episode. How ridiculous.

 

[AnimeJune]

All I can say is either give it a chance or don't watch it. But don't down the show. I mean I think they could do some things better, but it's still a great show. And I understand we're on the second episode. But people were bad mouthing it from the pilot episode. How ridiculous.

Dude, people are entitled to an opinion.

Besides, the pilot is probably the most carefully-constructed episode of an ENTIRE series, because not only is it what makes networks buy the rest of the series (know how many pilots there are out there that never got made into series?), but because, yeah, many people DO judge a series by their first episode.

It's a known fact. The "oh, it's only the first episode" excuse can't cut it - because the entire focus on the first episode is supposed to draw viewers in so that they can see the second episode.

 

[Silverstein]

AnimeJune, you're very right about that. I'm not even arguing that. I'm just addressing complaints like "waaa, it's just x-men watered down" or "the characters are all over the place" or "the story is incoherent". Things like that. Which are not even valid points. If you don't look at the individuality and creativity of the show, or any thing then it's all the same. You could say Justice league is the same as x-men, is the same as Fantastic four, Avengers, is the same as teen titans....etc...etc...

It takes time for characters to get together. And by the first episode, you should not be where you'd be in maybe the 5th...


And anyway just because that's what people do or companies look for, doesn't mean that it's the correct thing to do. How many books have you read where the first chapter was the BEST chapter in the book? Okay and I bet you almost all of the books you could list suck. In fact, if the first chapter is the best then any one you could mention sucks,

Story telling doesn't need to be rushed or whatever just because people are too quick to judge. That's why I'm saying either watch it or don't but not to sit around complaining about the first episode of it.


Now I can understand if you just completly hate it. Because then you've given it a chance by watching it. Like the new FF cartoon, it's trash. I learned that from one episode. So I understand. But people who are inbetween need only give it a chance.