The Punisher ongoing discussion!

Other than guest stars, the only Punisher I've read is the Double Edge crossover featuring him and Remender's run up through Dark Reign: The List (aka... up until FrankenCastle). I enjoyed those runs.

I have no interest in MAX books (I'm a PG kinda guy) but have recently been gaining some interest into the 90s series. I might give them a shot sometime down the road.
 
His last few series have been good though....
I skipped Remender's. But Rucka's was excellent and I hear Thunderbolts is decent. Edmondson will probably make the new series worthwhile too. And now he's gonna have an animated movie. Not a bad time to be a Punisher fan.
 
Thunderbolts to me has been a little let down in terms of "Punisher". As a team book is pretty decent.

If Edmondson writes as good as he did with Black Widow, we are in the right track...
 
Thanks for the previews! Feels right on the mark so far!
 
Amazing issue! This is by far the best Punisher i've read in years... Finally someone understood how to make it right... It's like a compilation of Frank from the 90's (chatty and interact with people) and he's brutal and precise like Ennis and Rucka.
 
I liked it. Punisher is a lot more talkative and less lone wolf like but just as deadly.

Be interesting to see if Edmondson can come up with some original plots for The Punisher.
 
I dug it. A return to the same old same old, which coming after Rucka's run feels a little bit like a let-down, but I liked it all the same.

Anyone have any info about those Howling Commando guys at the end, though? Are those Fury's people or are they a different group altogether?
 
I grew up reading volume 2 of Punisher (back in the mid 80's) and this issue reminded me alot of those old school issues as well. I'm curious of the identity of this so-called super villain and how Punisher will deal with him. Even though I don't like the way Punisher is drawn by this artist (looks like Castle has dropped alot of weight) but overall, I give it a 10/10.
 
The Howling Commandos seem to be a new group. I'm guessing Fury and Dum Dum's Howling Commandos PMC got absorbed into the new SHIELD and the US military decided to resurrect the name for some elite team. Nobody they showed stood out to me as a recognizable Howling Commando, like Dum Dum or Gabriel Jones.

As for the Punisher's attitude, I like the shift. It feels logical, given that he built a real bond with Rachel and he's been working alongside a team with the Thunderbolts lately. That tends to socialize a person whether they're conscious of it or not. I'm curious to see how this round of Punisher supporters works out in the end. The last major one, Detective Bolt, got shot to death by accident, and a lot of Rucka's Punisher seemed geared toward illustrating why supporting the Punisher and his methods is a bad idea. I wonder if Edmondson is gonna give us a counterpoint to that or ultimately ruin the lives of all the Punisher's LA supporters too.
 
The Howling Commandos seem to be a new group. I'm guessing Fury and Dum Dum's Howling Commandos PMC got absorbed into the new SHIELD and the US military decided to resurrect the name for some elite team. Nobody they showed stood out to me as a recognizable Howling Commando, like Dum Dum or Gabriel Jones.

That's what I figured. Given the only Marvel books I read are Daredevil and The Punisher, I thought I may have missed something. Thanks for clarifying.

That said, it would be awesome if Fury made an appearance in this book every now and then. Considering Brubaker was the only one really doing anything with him. Though, that Jason Aaron penned event book later this year sounds interesting.
 
Finally got my hands on this, it turned out really good! As others have been saying, I do like his new attitude. He's sarcastic and a bit more alive, but it's not a sudden shift that hurts the feel of this. I too thought this felt like the Dixon era of books. I really am hoping this book and team are on for the long haul!
 
#2 is out and I'm blown away how this story is unfolding. Classic Punisher all the way! And a nice visit from....

Electro

Lets hope Frank beats that :bdh:
 
Finally got my hands on this, it turned out really good! As others have been saying, I do like his new attitude. He's sarcastic and a bit more alive, but it's not a sudden shift that hurts the feel of this. I too thought this felt like the Dixon era of books. I really am hoping this book and team are on for the long haul!


That makes this a must buy for me.
 
issue 3 is out and no comments yet!!?
 
issue 3 is out and no comments yet!!?

My shop got short changed on their orders so no #3 for me until next week.

But I may drop the title anyway. I can't keep up with the 4 dollar price point and I feel terrible about it because I'm also probably dropping Daredevil(well, Marvel entirely) because of it.

However, did anyone else see that the Fury MAX: My War Gone By series is getting deluxe hardcover later this year? Gonna pick that up.
 
I believe he just now has.........

I'm not too sure what that was all about. I remember the other PhotoJones that used to be here. He was actually a pretty good contributor to the boards. I'm guessing it was him again...? I don't know why he felt this was necessary. It wasn't funny at all. It's annoying to have to scroll through all that nonsense to read other people's posts.
 
Well I read the issue and I enjoyed it somewhat however I was a little disappointed that
Electro got the drop on Frank, and the fight started at the end of the issue.
It's nice to see Frank in a decent book for a change.
 
This book is getting better and better. Action pack issue like a Punisher book must be.

For everyone who doesn't know Issue #1 and #2 will get a 2nd print. The sales must be doing nicely, i guess...
 
There's something weird behind 2nd and 3rd printings because more and more comics are getting them. Either Marvel is getting less and less confident about their books or they are seeing some kind of profitable upside from it.
 
I really hope Frank keeps Loot the coyote, critter's awesome.
 
Frank vs the Thunderbolts. I wonder how this will go down? I knew it was bound to happen, and Im excited to see Frank being true to character and not needing any team. Teams need Frank.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51534

If you're looking to form a super-powered strike team to eliminate some of the Marvel Universe's most dangerous threats recruiting a group of powerful and highly efficient killers might seem like a good idea -- but you have to be cautious of the group's internal chemistry. After all, how long can a dangerous mix of lethal and highly volatile personalities exist in harmony before they explode and destroy each other in the process?
Acker & Blacker Take Over "Thunderbolts" in June
That's the question looming over the current incarnation of the "Thunderbolts", and new writers Ben Acker & Ben Blacker, the creators of the "Thrilling Adventure Hour" stage production (and spinoff graphic novel), will answer it directly when they take over the series from current writer Charles Soule starting with with June's issue #27. CBR News spoke with the co-writers about their take on the "Thunderbolts" and their opening arc on the series, "Punisher Vs. Thunderbolts."


CBR News: Ben and Ben, you guys created and still write the monthly "Thrilling Adventure Hour" shows and have also written for television. Comics are clearly a labor of love for you. What is it you find most appealing about writing for comics? And how does it feel after writing a graphic novel and a couple of Annuals to be given the chance to write your first Marvel ongoing series?
Ben Acker: There's lots that's appealing about writing comics. It's a different kind of language from the other media in which we write. A completely visual medium, to contrast the completely audio nature of writing "Thrilling Adventure Hour." And in both TV and fake radio, we have the luxury of actors selling our words. In comics, it's just us and the artist. It's exciting.


Ben Blacker: As far as writing for Marvel, it's so fun getting to play with someone else's toys. We grew up reading these characters, and now we get to make them say and do things. It is exciting and there's a lot of pressure to do right by them.
You guys are taking over the "Thunderbolts" ongoing after penning last year's Annual, which suggests to me that you have some affection for these characters and the dynamic between them. What made "Thunderbolts" an interesting assignment for you? What about them as a group functions so well for the series?
Blacker: "Thunderbolts" has what any great ensemble has -- different personalities bouncing against one another. Friction that comes from differing ways of seeing the world. That's fun stuff to write. And it comes to a head in our first arc.
Acker: In "Thunderbolts," these are a bunch of guys who shouldn't be on team at all and they're on a team together. And we like the morally gray area they work in -- doing things the Avengers or FF wouldn't.
"Thrilling Adventure Hour" Creators Get Meta with "Deadpool," Strange with "Thunderbolts"
Let's talk a little bit about the individual members of the group and some of the dynamics between them. Let's start with the team's two gamma powered members, the Red Hulk and the Red Leader. Clearly there's no love lost between them and they're both dangerous individuals. Why do you think they tolerate each other?
Acker: They tolerate each other because each thinks he's the one in charge.
Blacker: Like us!
Acker: Yup! Red Hulk is a great strategist, and he thinks he has all the angles covered, including Red Leader. And Red Leader is one of the smartest characters in the Marvel U, so he is -- or thinks he is -- always one step ahead of everyone.
Blacker: They're two sides of the same irradiated coin. Ross will stop at nothing to get his way. Red Leader is certain he'll get his way; a much greedier darker way. We'll see who's right.
The relationship between Punisher and Elektra is another one that involves intense feelings. How do you think these two characters view each other and their roles on the Thunderbolts? What do they mean to each other? And what does the team mean to them?
Blacker: Charles Soule, from whom we're taking over the book, did a terrific job walking the tightrope of this relationship. These are two characters for whom emotions are difficult. Neither would ever admit that there are feelings for the other.
Deadpool, of course, has not been a fan of the relationship between the Punisher and Elektra, but he's also grown in some way thanks to his own solo adventures and will even be married soon. I know you don't want to penalize readers who don't read the ongoing "Deadpool" series, but what can you tell us about your take on the character when your run on "Thunderbolts" begins? Will his marital status and some of the traumatic events he's endured in "Deadpool" color the way he reacts to or views his teammates?
Acker: Yes. To all of it. Deadpool has a big decision to make in the second issue of our first arc, and the events of his solo title weigh heavily in his decision.
Blacker: We are big fans of what [Gerry] Duggan and [Brian] Posehn are doing in "Deadpool," and it will come into play in this arc.
You've written Deadpool a couple of times now, but I don't believe you've written Johnny Blaze at all. What do you find most interesting about the Ghost Rider? What does he adds to the team and the book?



Blacker: Blaze is an interesting guy because, despite having enormous power, he's a biker at heart.
Acker: A different kind of guy on a team of soldiers and mercenaries. Despite being filled with death, he's arguably the Thunderbolt who is the most full of life.
Artist Carlo Barberi is currently drawing "Thunderbolts" and will return to the book when you guys begin your run. He definitely has a knack for and understanding of the characters, but what other artistic strengths do you feel he brings to the book?
Acker: Man, Carlo is one of the best artists around. He really grounds the world and characters in the real, which you need in a book like this.
Blacker: He's also an expert at tone. There are horror undercurrents in "Thunderbolts," just by dint of how dark it can be, and Carlo really sells that. Check out the "Thunderbolts in Hell" stuff that Soule is doing now with Carlo, and you'll see what I mean.
RELATED: Acker & Blacker Sink Their Claws Into "Wolverine: Season One"
Your first "Thunderbolts" arc pits the Punisher against his teammates. Can you talk about what triggers the conflict and the Punisher's chances against his teammates? Is the Punisher out of his league? Or is he the type of guy to have a number of contingency plans designed to eliminate his teammates?
Acker: "Punisher Vs. Thunderbolts" has been a long time coming. Frank was never comfortable on this team, didn't buy into Red Hulk's philosophy, so we're finally bringing that to a head.
Blacker: Punisher is a blunt instrument. The kind who makes contingency plans, sure, but most of those involve shooting or blowing someone up real good.
Acker: Not intricate plans.
Blacker: No, certainly not.
Finally, what can you tell us about your plans for "Thunderbolts" beyond
your initial arc? What types of genres and tones can readers expect? Can you hint or tease some of the antagonists that you have plans for in the series?



Acker: We can't say too much right now.
Blacker: We want to play with the underpinnings of the original team, and really every team since: villainous heroes and heroic villains going up against heroic heroes and villainous villains.

Acker: We're so excited to be taking on this book, this team, and working
for Marvel. We love what came before on this book, and we hope the fans will trust us to do right by the team and by them.
Acker & Blacker make their "Thunderbolts" debut alongside artist Carlo Barberi in June with issue #27.
 
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