The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

But that fasion wasn't uncommon in the 60's, nor was it unusual in the faux pre WW II Gotham that Burton made....

If Nolan was to create a modern Penguin, I'm sure he'd dress in classy clothes, just, sans the monocle and top hat, they're relics in today's world, unless he was in some broadway musical.... Oh! Now there's an idea?!

'Modern Penguin'...thats exactly why I prefer a Gotham City that is a mix between new and old, one that is near timeless. But since it's set currently, we can't have an old school Penguin....
:huh: a man-bat cameo? Say it aint so?


It's a deleted scene. Bruce sees a giant bat. It's not CG, they built a real one, it was like 7 feet long and looked like a piece of ****!
 
What as on the extended forever?

He could could wear a top hat and a monocle, I could see him have a love for late 1800 early 1900 antiques and thats what he has his goons steal to add to his collection.


But a guy who steals antiques pales in comparisson to a murderous bastard like the joker?

Bet of a let down after the dark knight, no?
 
But a guy who steals antiques pales in comparisson to a murderous bastard like the joker?

Bet of a let down after the dark knight, no?


I really like Captain Clowns idea. Just don't make him the main villain and you shouldn't have any problems.
 
I'm horrified at the thought.


After seeing that I have to agree. I usually prefer prostetics and effects made from manmade materials over CGI, but only when there done well lol.
 
Why does the Riddler wear an eye mask? What purpose does it have if everybody knows who he is?
 
wow I just saw that scene and wow and thanks figmanJ for liking my ideas
 
It makes him feel sexy....

He couldn't find any ladies undergarments...so he went for the eye mask deal.

I never really liked Jim Carey as the Riddler. he was ...annoying
 
what do I think of Nolans "realistic" approach? well, i guess for me its a double edged sword. the realism gets it away from that horrible joel schumacher cartoony silly stuff, mainly in B&R, but it also makes batman rather dull and uneventful. placeing his entire world in ultra realism takes away from the specialness of batman. i understand what nolan is trying to do, hes trying to make a batman that seems like he could really exist in our world today with all of todays technology. however, seeing BB, i noticed that all this, while it seemed to tell a good story, took away one crucial aspect that all the past batman films have in one way or another : Fun. it just wasnt fun. it wasnt exciting or even "cool". it was just too serious for its own good. even though the burton films were dark (especially Returns) they still rememberd to have that wicked humour courtesy of the awsome villians, or the cool bat vehicles like the batwing, etc. iconic moments that for me, Begins never had. it was to into its realism, and IMO never really took off because of it. it was like nolan and goyer kept stepping on batmans cape just when he was about to maybe do something extraordinary.

of course, i dont expect any of the major fanboiys to agree with me, but those are just my thoughts. i still consider myself a batman fan, just not a fan of ultra-realism in comic book movies.
 
He couldn't find any ladies undergarments...so he went for the eye mask deal.

I never really liked Jim Carey as the Riddler. he was ...annoying
Ha! you use elipses alot...like me.:oldrazz:

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I couldn't help myself...:woot:
 
what do I think of Nolans "realistic" approach? well, i guess for me its a double edged sword. the realism gets it away from that horrible joel schumacher cartoony silly stuff, mainly in B&R, but it also makes batman rather dull and uneventful. placeing his entire world in ultra realism takes away from the specialness of batman. i understand what nolan is trying to do, hes trying to make a batman that seems like he could really exist in our world today with all of todays technology. however, seeing BB, i noticed that all this, while it seemed to tell a good story, took away one crucial aspect that all the past batman films have in one way or another : Fun. it just wasnt fun. it wasnt exciting or even "cool". it was just too serious for its own good. even though the burton films were dark (especially Returns) they still rememberd to have that wicked humour courtesy of the awsome villians, or the cool bat vehicles like the batwing, etc. iconic moments that for me, Begins never had. it was to into its realism, and IMO never really took off because of it. it was like nolan and goyer kept stepping on batmans cape just when he was about to maybe do something extraordinary.

of course, i dont expect any of the major fanboiys to agree with me, but those are just my thoughts. i still consider myself a batman fan, just not a fan of ultra-realism in comic book movies.


Although I prefer Nolan's film to Burton's I understand what your saying. I can still remember seeing Batman '89 for the first time and thinking how badass it was when it just jumped to the scene of him in the Batwing going into the city. I'm guessing now that we got most of his origin out of the way we might have some pretty damn cool memorable scenes in TDK.
 
He's trying to make him an incredible figure in a normal world, seems like an interesting contrast to have instead of everything being fantastical. There was a lack of iconic shots though, more about the direction than the confines of "realism"
 
The issue is that when you strive to make comic book movies serious and believable you take away the fantastic aspect that so many fans over the years have loved. Batman is a dark concept, but he's faced some weird ass ****.
 
The issue is that when you strive to make comic book movies serious and believable you take away the fantastic aspect that so many fans over the years have loved. Batman is a dark concept, but he's faced some weird ass ****.
 
The issue is that when you strive to make comic book movies serious and believable you take away the fantastic aspect that so many fans over the years have loved. Batman is a dark concept, but he's faced some weird ass ****.


I completely agree.
 
I never liked the gliding cape because, IMO, it takes Batman away from his core.

He's a man. He uses his weapons and skills to appear to be supernatural or superpowered. Granted, he's trained his body and mind to great means, but in the end it's all just tricks.

Giving him a flying cape makes it easy to be Batman, when I think it should be difficult. It should so tough that only a man driven by the most intense rage could do it.



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It doesnt make it easy. It really just takes something that he does constantly in the comics with no explanation, ie gliding or at least looking like he is gliding, and gives it one. And considering he is constantly moving up and down the side of buildings it really helps to explain how he is getting around without breaking his neck
 
'Modern Penguin'...thats exactly why I prefer a Gotham City that is a mix between new and old, one that is near timeless. But since it's set currently, we can't have an old school Penguin....


I love BTAS version of Gotham, the Art Deco look, or a meeting of Burton's "Dark Deco" with the future, basically like the movie Metropolis.

I love the look of a futuristic 1930's, and I was really disappointed that Nolan didn't go down that route.
 
I love BTAS version of Gotham, the Art Deco look, or a meeting of Burton's "Dark Deco" with the future, basically like the movie Metropolis.

I love the look of a futuristic 1930's, and I was really disappointed that Nolan didn't go down that route.

same here
 
I agree, but on the other hand it's nice that Nolan went for something different, a completely different take. We have so many Batman movies to look forward to, it's always cool having every few of them be different. Right now, we're on fast track. Every 3 years we get a new Batman film. I think we'll continue on the realistic take for the next few years. After Nolan's 3, who's know what will happen. He may come back for one more, but that's the most I could see him doing after a third. Just imagine him doing two trilogies of Batman films. Close to 20 years of his life.
 

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