The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[terry78]

No problem. I personally don't buy the "Nolan's realism" thing. It's just something a bunch of people on the internet have started. Chris Nolan's only comment about realism is that he wants to create heightened realism and there's a big difference. I believe he means if anything "bizarre" happens in the bat-world, he wants to give it an explanation, and make it seem at least plausible. Then people come along and screw his words all up. One side started it to completely bash his films and another side started it to justify any changes they'd like to see. It's all on the fence.



I must disagree. Bat-robots(?) Clayface, Killer Moth, etc can all fit into Nolan's Bat-world, he will just give them a plausible reason for being there. No where has Nolan ever said he is against such things, people just made this bull up to keep him down.

Like robotic suits of armor from The Batman series, and things like HARDAC.

 

[Monster]

I hope you were being sarcastic or you just aren't a real hardcore Batman fan.

Just Wiki'd him, never saw his character before.

Sorry.

 

[Warhammer]

No problem. I personally don't buy the "Nolan's realism" thing. It's just something a bunch of people on the internet have started. Chris Nolan's only comment about realism is that he wants to create heightened realism and there's a big difference. I believe he means if anything "bizarre" happens in the bat-world, he wants to give it an explanation, and make it seem at least plausible. Then people come along and screw his words all up. One side started it to completely bash his films and another side started it to justify any changes they'd like to see. It's all on the fence.



I must disagree. Bat-robots(?) Clayface, Killer Moth, etc can all fit into Nolan's Bat-world, he will just give them a plausible reason for being there. No where has Nolan ever said he is against such things, people just made this bull up to keep him down.

I like that.
I always thought that realism was a fanboy complaint.
Kudos to you for not actually picking a side, like alot of people are doing.

 

[fcrowelle06]

Basically WarHammer, i'm just fine with 50/50 Batman 89 had more fantascism, Begins had more realism...I just want the right mix

 

[Monster]

Oh, that's changed my views on realism completely.

So Nolan's using PEE for his realism?

Note: Point Evidence Explanation

 

[dark_b]

No problem. I personally don't buy the "Nolan's realism" thing. It's just something a bunch of people on the internet have started. Chris Nolan's only comment about realism is that he wants to create heightened realism and there's a big difference. I believe he means if anything "bizarre" happens in the bat-world, he wants to give it an explanation, and make it seem at least plausible. Then people come along and screw his words all up. One side started it to completely bash his films and another side started it to justify any changes they'd like to see. It's all on the fence.



I must disagree. Bat-robots(?) Clayface, Killer Moth, etc can all fit into Nolan's Bat-world, he will just give them a plausible reason for being there. No where has Nolan ever said he is against such things, people just made this bull up to keep him down.

mr socko gets it.

thank god.

 

[fcrowelle06]

told your perfection would just be a mix of fantasy and realism

 

[fcrowelle06]

that's all batman needs

 

[Monster]

mr socko gets it.

thank god.

I do, I'm just unsure what he means in the terms of realism.

Or I'm just ******ed.

 

[dark_b]

I do, I'm just unsure what he means in the terms of realism.

Or I'm just ******ed.

no your not.

 

[The Universal]

I like that.
I always thought that realism was a fanboy complaint.
Kudos to you for not actually picking a side, like alot of people are doing.

Nolan's realism is dark & gritty, god damnit!

 

[Monster]

no your not.

Thanks for the re-assurance, will you be my friend?

haha.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I can't tell if that was sarcasm but I always laugh when the "dark gritty realism" comment comes up...lol

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

You can't have iconic; you can't have epic in complete realism nor the illusion of such. To hell with the dark, gritty realism. The way I see it, if something from the comics can't be adapted or put into the film, then they're going about it the wrong way.

Mr. Socko... Thank you so much for "getting it." Seriously, thank you. Now that I know someone agrees with me, I can rest assured that I'm not going crazy.

 

[The Universal]

No problem. I personally don't buy the "Nolan's realism" thing. It's just something a bunch of people on the internet have started. Chris Nolan's only comment about realism is that he wants to create heightened realism and there's a big difference. I believe he means if anything "bizarre" happens in the bat-world, he wants to give it an explanation, and make it seem at least plausible. Then people come along and screw his words all up. One side started it to completely bash his films and another side started it to justify any changes they'd like to see. It's all on the fence.



I must disagree. Bat-robots(?) Clayface, Killer Moth, etc can all fit into Nolan's Bat-world, he will just give them a plausible reason for being there. No where has Nolan ever said he is against such things, people just made this bull up to keep him down.

Clayface would fit perfectly into this world, he'd just have to be dark & gritty to be incorporated into Nolan's realism. Like, he's really just this sick, twisted bastard who's covered in dried blood, and it cakes and cracks all over his skin making it look like dried clay. Also, he molds his murdering tools out of clay.

So dark & gritty and Nolan's-realistic that I think I just shat myself.

 

[Warhammer]

edit...

 

[Mr. Socko]

Clayface would fit perfectly into this world, he'd just have to be dark & gritty to be incorporated into Nolan's realism. Like, he's really just this sick, twisted bastard who's covered in dried blood, and it cakes and cracks all over his skin making it look like dried clay. Also, he molds his murdering tools out of clay.

So dark & gritty and Nolan's-realistic that I think I just shat myself.

lol

Now I know you're not serious...

 

[Mr. Socko]

edit...

I just noticed you got my girl in your avvy.

 

[Warhammer]

I just noticed you got my girl in your avvy.

Maria. :heart:

 

[Mr. Socko]

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Clayface would fit perfectly into this world, he'd just have to be dark & gritty to be incorporated into Nolan's realism. Like, he's really just this sick, twisted bastard who's covered in dried blood, and it cakes and cracks all over his skin making it look like dried clay. Also, he molds his murdering tools out of clay.

So dark & gritty and Nolan's-realistic that I think I just shat myself.

Yeah, totally. And Mr. Freeze could be a guy got his name by murdering people, and then putting them in a freezer, and he wears a glass dome over his head, and Poison Ivy could just be a hot redhead who seduces men and kills them in their sleep, and the Joker could be a crazy guy with a "cut-smile" and paints his face and dies his hair.... oh wait...

 

[Warhammer]

F*** this realism bullcrap.
Maria.

:heart:

 

[Monster]

*drools*

 

[dark_b]

this girl is not realistic. she doesnt fit in nolans universe

 

[Monster]

But she's damn hot though.