The Dark Knight The Realism Debate thread

[Crook]

In Nolan's defense there is not much to do with Crane to begin with. There are only so many shots you can have of people cowering in fear and their hallucinations pounding relentlessly at the screen. At some point it just gets repetitive.

Well then initiative should have been taken to make him interesting. For example, Mr. Freeze in the comics was pretty much a lame and wasted character before Dini/Timm came along and breathed new life into him. They made a tragic and compelling narrative out of something that was nothing more than dogsh1t.

Scarecrow definitely has potential. The fear theme alone can be utilized to such an awe-inspiring visual element, if handled by a director with a unique vision. Frankly, the "hallucinations" in BB were pathetic. Glowing eyes and a shaky background? That was...disappointing.

Personally I think Nolan should handle characters that are more closer to his element, which is clearly no where near the fantasy-realm. The Mob, Riddler, Two-Face, and others, are right up his alley. He should leave the other ones alone imo.

 

[TheBatman072]

Scarecrow definitely has potential. The fear theme alone can be utilized to such an awe-inspiring visual element, if handled by a director with a unique vision. Frankly, the "hallucinations" in BB were pathetic. Glowing eyes and a shaky background? That was...disappointing.

Yeah. Bat-Demon. Very pathetic.

 

[Crook]

I was clearly talking about the entire group as a whole. I admit that the Bat-Demon was cool, but that was pretty much the only unique design I saw.

 

[CaptainClown]

I think he was trying to play it safe and not give kids nightmares. I mean that right there is a huge opportunity to go crazy.

 

[Victarion]

I mean that right there is a huge opportunity to go crazy.

Yay verily.

I think it would be most opportune for Mr. Nolan to wait until BB3 to go crazy with Fear Gas, and whatever else he wants to go crazy with. That way, his trilogy is complete, and he doesn't have anything to fear. So the Brothers Warner give him the boot for making a movie thats "too scary" or "too dark". Who cares? He's tied up his storylines, and the majority are pleased.

-Morzan

 

[TheBatman072]

Yay verily.

I think it would be most opportune for Mr. Nolan to wait until BB3 to go crazy with Fear Gas, and whatever else he wants to go crazy with. That way, his trilogy is complete, and he doesn't have anything to fear. So the Brothers Warner give him the boot for making a movie thats "too scary" or "too dark". Who cares? He's tied up his storylines, and the majority are pleased.

-Morzan

We're going to see what Joker looks like through the eyes of someone under Fear Gas in TDK.

 

[Mr. Socko]

We're going to see what Joker looks like through the eyes of someone under Fear Gas in TDK.

And I'm quited excited to seeing that after viewing what Batman looks like under the fear gas in Begins.

 

[SodaPop]

We're going to see what Joker looks like through the eyes of someone under Fear Gas in TDK.

i heard he's going to resemble the comic's joker. i cant wait to see that.

 

[Crook]

i heard he's going to resemble the comic's joker. i cant wait to see that.

Most funniest unintentional post in a while? Quite possibly.

 

[SodaPop]

Most funniest unintentional post in a while? Quite possibly.

it sounded a lot better in my head.

 

[The Marvel]

You know what would be cool? If the Joker gets fear gassed we get close up of batmans face, and we see tremondus terror an a unholy blood curdiling scream, the audience gets crepped out and then..... BAM

EVERY PERSON WITHIN A 50 FEET RADIUS WILL CRAP THEIR PANTS.

 

[jimmy]

Arkham Asylum.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I hope he looks like that

 

[Mr. Socko]

i heard he's going to resemble the comic's joker. i cant wait to see that.

That's something that disturbs me.

Joker in the film should already resemble the Joker of the comic books, but instead we will only be visually subjected to the true comic book Joker for one scene involving fear gas?...

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I always figured with Nolan's world we are seeing an evolution from real to a contemporary Gotham world that most people are familar with. So initially people like Scarecrow and Joker are gonna look like ordinary, undefined criminals with a slight identity complex that manifests itself over time.

 

[CaptainClown]

I think that is the current feeling, especially with how you see the Joker seems to change with each picture.

 

[Doc Samson]

I always figured with Nolan's world we are seeing an evolution from real to a contemporary Gotham world that most people are familar with. So initially people like Scarecrow and Joker are gonna look like ordinary, undefined criminals with a slight identity complex that manifests itself over time.

Something I (and others) have been saying for sometime, and it seems, with little success. The theme is escalation, it seems quite plausible the Joker (and crime, not to mention Gotham itself) will evolve similar to Batman's progression. Remember this is essentially Batman's first year on the job, things aren't that bad, just yet. It wouldn't surprise me at all if, by the third film, Gotham starts to resemble a certain Tim Burton flick from 1989...

 

[Gianakin_]

I don't think they're actually gonna put gargoyles as the escalation progresses and the crime rises, however I also think that it will become more of a freak-town as the movies go.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

That's the point, its almost like no one listened to what Gordon was saying on the roof in the final scene of BB.

 

[metalhead971]

If BB is any indication, the escalation in Gotham will be incredible by Shadow of the Bat (????). Murder and mayhem everywhere. That's Gotham to me. With Batman there to stop it.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

knowing escalation is the theme of TDK..
what do you people think the theme of the third movie will be?

 

[Gianakin_]

Climax?

 

[metalhead971]

Maybe Batman second-guessing his ability to control the crime spreading across his city. Doubting whether he can truly make a difference. He's young, so i'd like to see some doubt creep into him as to how he's going to be able to fight such rampant violence and crime. Maybe sets up for the future introduction of the Batman family, as a means to ensure he has help (though he may not want it).

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

eh.. i think any second-guessing batman may have will show in TDK.

 

[Gianakin_]

I think that's closer to what TDK will be about.