The Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul(discussion thread)

I'll tell you something else that will make you hate it. You know, in retcon stories, when they make all the cute little afterthought connections between characters? Yeah that.
 
What's up with the Joker? I though Grant Morrisson's new Joker was decidedly evil and not funny, a mosquito drinking his blood died because Joker's thoughts were so evil, he also tried to kill Harley, but suddenly the Joker from Countdown was the same old character. I don't know which Joker I prefered, I think the Joker is a great villain all-around, but I thought that Grant Morrisson's "Joker issue" was supposed to re-imagine the character.

Marvel does this too. They keep things they like that Grant does and ignore the things they don't. Astonishing X-Men is pretty much a sequel to New X-Men, so many plotlines spun out of it. But the death of Magneto, destruction of NYC, that whole Xorn mess...retconned, ignored, etc.

I think DC is pretending that The Clown At Midnight never happened, or is out of continuity. But all the rest of his Batman issues are OK. For now.
 
I agree with you. And I love New X-men, I have the trades but really wish I had picked up the omnibus. Grant's run was decent, I expect a lot more from him though. I think the delays messed up his plans, because he was going to go into the Black Case Files and connect everything, including the Clown at Midnight. Never happened. And probably won't.
 
I'll tell you something else that will make you hate it. You know, in retcon stories, when they make all the cute little afterthought connections between characters? Yeah that.
Ugh, I do hate that. It's like people are no longer allowed to exist without ties to everyone in the universe anymore.

What ties are we talking about here?
 
Well, [blackout]In a bar, when the Joker is still Jack(that's his name, Jack) he strikes up a conversation with a pretty blond barmaid, she even calls him Mr J. Guess who the f#ck this bitc# is?[/blackout]
 
Hmmm, I didn't put that together at all. Harleen is a well respected psychologist before becoming Harley, no?
 
But before becoming a well-respected psychologist, she was a barmaid.
 
Who happened to tend bar at the soon-to-be-Joker's local pub, apparently.
 
boy am i glad that i made the decision to ignore BatCon and SupeCon's existence when i saw the solicitations...
 
Hahaha, Batman Confidential sounds so rubbish.
 
I'll tell you something else that will make you hate it. You know, in retcon stories, when they make all the cute little afterthought connections between characters? Yeah that.
I should know this, but what's your avatar from?
 
I don't either cause of the craptastic art, but apparently the writing is even worse. :csad:
Don't go into the BatCon thread on the Batman board with that attitude. There's this one guy will rip you five new *******s for daring to criticize the art.
 
Cowan's a pretty interesting artist to me. Kind of like Sienkiewicz but not as good.
 
What's up with the Joker? I though Grant Morrisson's new Joker was decidedly evil and not funny, a mosquito drinking his blood died because Joker's thoughts were so evil, he also tried to kill Harley, but suddenly the Joker from Countdown was the same old character. I don't know which Joker I prefered, I think the Joker is a great villain all-around, but I thought that Grant Morrisson's "Joker issue" was supposed to re-imagine the character.

That's kind of the point of The Joker. At least when Grant writes him. He's crazy in such a way that he has no set personality, motives, or beliefs. He's completely lost in his own head, and everything about his character is subject to the slightest whim on his part. It's what's used to explain why he has, in the past, sometimes been a harmless prankster, sometimes been a thief motivated purely by greed, sometimes been a homicidal maniac motivated by sadism, sometimes been a gangster, sometimes been a serial killer, etc. So, it actually makes perfect sense for him to act completely differently in two different appearances.
 

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