Comics The Return Of Eddie Brock

[The Joker]

I have two questons;

1) When can we expect Eddie Brock/Venom?

2) Is he in good hands?

Those are my two concerns.

1. Probably after the current arc. So, june or july, I'd say.

2. Very good hands. Sacassa is a terrific writer, and he really respects continuity.

3. I loooooooooove your avatar.

 

[Kraven]

I have two questons;

1) When can we expect Eddie Brock/Venom?

They didn't say for sure, other than he'll be appearing in SSM, but I'm guessing he'll appear in it before the movie.

2) Is he in good hands?

He should be, if he's written by RAS. Many consider Sensational to be their favorite Spidey title right now, and RAS is great about adressing past continuity.

Those are my two concerns.

My internet has been working crappy lately and everything takes forever to load, such as the link provided.

Hopefully this was able to help.
Blast you, Ock! Always beating me to the point!

 

[Arcturus]

1. Probably after the current arc. So, june or july, I'd say.

Awesome, good time to get back into 616!

2. Very good hands. Sacassa is a terrific writer, and he really respects continuity.

That's good to hear, a good writer can make all the difference in the world, especially when he respects continuity. I can't wait to see where he takes Venom!

3. I loooooooooove your avatar.

Thanks, I can't wait for Zombies Halloween!

VENOM LIVES!

 

[Arcturus]

Thanks Doc, I figured if anyone knew, you'd be one of em!



Oh and thanks for answering my questons as well tom123!

 

[Dangerous]

making gargan the new venom had absolutely nothing to do with revamping the character or by any means trying to add credibility to the character. Which ever writer was signed on at the time was told by the marvel higher ups to do what ever they want to do with the symbiote as long as venom looses it and gets it back in time to coincide with the movie....and if for whatever reason the movie had nothing to do with it....it was just to give brock/venom the comeback that marvel would bank off of....cus everyone knows EVERYONE LOVES VENOM/BROCK

Of course Brock would return to the symbiote by the time of SM3, so what?
Whether it was the decision of Mark Millar (that’s the guy who wrote MKSM#7 in case you did not know, heh) or his superiors at the time, does not really matter. Point is the symbiote did change hosts and since it has resided w/ Mac Gargan, Venom was no longer the gimp in an alien costume who has had all these great powers for years but never been able to successfully put them to use.

Face it Venom/Brock was a running joke, and everyone apart from deluded fanboys are aware of this.
With a new host Venom is no longer that joke, he is a different character w/ a different perspective.
He may not be the greatest ever villain but at least he is not a bore plus it took the character in a new direction.

‘EVEYONE LOVES VENOM/BROCK’ you guys make me laugh. Y’ know recently there have been a spate of threads deconstructing the validity of Venom as a super villain force. The results not amounting to much. If you like I could post links to one such thread ?

 

[Venom Drool]

ugh..

 

[Shockdingo]

Seriously we get that some of you guys don't like Brock, there's threads all over the place already, no sense to keep bringing it up, some of us are just happy that Brock is back and since he's in capable hands we're hoping he's going to be better than he ever was, maybe close to "A-list standards" it's a potentially exciting time for a reinvention.

 

[Dangerous]

Seriously we get that some of you guys don't like Brock, there's threads all over the place already, no sense to keep bringing it up, some of us are just happy that Brock is back and since he's in capable hands we're hoping he's going to be better than he ever was, maybe close to "A-list standards" it's a potentially exciting time for a reinvention.

Fair enuf.
It's just that E.Brock was beating on some poster just cause he said something negative to say about Venom.

For me if there is any upside it will be that if Brock/Venom returns in Sensational first, we will hopefully get to see Angel Medina's interpretation of him which should be pretty old school since his work is quite McFarlane-esque.

 

[UK_Stu]

I wouldn't mind the return of Eddie Brock, but not as Venom. Venom has always been a one trick pony and I'd prefer that the character didn't return at all. Props to Marvel for trying to re-invigorate the character by letting Gargon become Venom - but ugugh still. I'd be happy to never see another symbiote at all if I'm honest.

But Eddie Brock is an interesting character, what with his history as a journalist prior to becoming Venom, his experiences as venom, the death of his wife, his intimate knowledge of Peter Parker (he was one of the few people aware of Pete's secrets prior to the unmasking) and his experience with cancer - he's interesting.

Plus he has the potential to become a good villain for spidey even with out the Venom persona.

 

[Shockdingo]

For me if there is any upside it will be that if Brock/Venom returns in Sensational first, we will hopefully get to see Angel Medina's interpretation of him which should be pretty old school since his work is quite McFarlane-esque.

That'd be pretty awesome to see, it'd mean for the time being no more hulk, or hippo Venom (the guy has gone through some horrible artists )

 

[Dark Spidey]

Face it Venom/Brock was a running joke, and everyone apart from deluded fanboys are aware of this.
With a new host Venom is no longer that joke, he is a different character w/ a different perspective.
He may not be the greatest ever villain but at least he is not a bore plus it took the character in a new direction.

Yes. For a time Venom had become a running joke. But as I mentioned earlier, Paul Jenkin's had taken steps to rectify that. The potential to take Venom in new directions was there! Then Millar came along and ruined it all.

Because like you said, with a new host he's a different character with a different perspective...

...And as far as i'm concerned, this also means that he is not Venom!

Eddie Brock + The Alien Symbiote = Venom.

 

[Venom 1988]

Well Im hoping Gargan starts appearing as The Scorpion again. I mean the last time he was Scorpion was the 1st issue of ASM (the reboot), and that was like 8 years ago.

 

[Dangerous]

That'd be pretty awesome to see, it'd mean for the time being no more hulk, or hippo Venom (the guy has gone through some horrible artists )

TBH I prob loved almost all the visual incarnations of Venom.

My fav in order are-

-McFarlane
-Larsen
-Ramos
-Bagley

Ramos' version though pretty distorted (and disliked) from the original version, I thought was particularly inspired and scary looking. I reckon Medina would return to a more classic look.

 

[Dangerous]

Yes. For a time Venom had become a running joke. But as I mentioned earlier, Paul Jenkin's had taken steps to rectify that. The potential to take Venom in new directions was there! Then Millar came along and ruined it all.

Because like you said, with a new host he's a different character with a different perspective...

...And as far as i'm concerned, this also means that he is not Venom!

Eddie Brock + The Alien Symbiote = Venom.

It all comes down to how you interpret the character.

Michelinie envisioned Venom as an enemy where the symbiote jumped hosts every few years.
I think that would have worked out perfect because after a few years, that’s when Venom/Brock went crap.

I myself see Venom/Brock coming back in 2007 as an obsolete idea, that is, if there is any point to it other than to sell comics. I think Venom was defined/summarised very early on in the comics.
There was/is not much depth to him and all he was concerned w/ was killing Spider-man.
Since he did not achieve this you can’t have him running around forever because-
a) he won’t ever kill Spidey, and b) he does not have enough depth to be interesting.

I just think if you then get away from him being obsessed w/ Killing Spidey, then he is no longer Venom.
That is why I think he is cursed to have only been relevant for a short period of time. He is trapped, obsolete.

Another perspective you could take however, is that he could be taken in a different direction, and/or his character developed and fleshed out as Jenkins had hinted at. The problem was, at the end (of The Hunger) he went back to the same place and was hating Spider-man again. That won’t work in my eyes, because he’s never going to do anything about it therefore he is a joke.

For the character to possibly become valid again, he will need more depth to him than just hating Spider-man.

 

[USMC]

I wasn’t trying to pass off my views as what most the majority of fans think.
Where did you get that one from?

Everybody knows Venom/Brock sucks.

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[USMC]

Michelinie envisioned Venom as an enemy where the symbiote jumped hosts every few years.
I think that would have worked out perfect because after a few years, that’s when Venom/Brock went crap.

The Venom character didn't go to crap because of Brock being the host, it went to crap because marvel did what they always do with a success... they beat it into the ground until it is no longer a success. Carnage and maximum Carnage and the planet Symbiote storylines, etc. are what made Venom no longer interesting. Instead of delving deeper into who Brock is/was (aside from being married), their solution to more sales was to just add more symbiotes. Venom was no longer original, and basically became a boring one-dimensional villain.

I myself see Venom/Brock coming back in 2007 as an obsolete idea, that is, if there is any point to it other than to sell comics. I think Venom was defined/summarised very early on in the comics.
There was/is not much depth to him and all he was concerned w/ was killing Spider-man.
Since he did not achieve this you can’t have him running around forever because-
a) he won’t ever kill Spidey, and b) he does not have enough depth to be interesting.

The same can be said of most villains in comics. How many villains actually have any REAL depth to them? Like I said, when writers do manage to bring out villains as real characters, things get interesting. They could have done that with brock, but they chose to go a different direction. And having the suit jump around every few years would have been equally stupid because then you'd REALLY never have any depth from whoever the host happened to be. You'd either have the suit jumping to known superpowered villains (like Scorpion, whose always been a ****ty second rate villain anyway) which would become really overused after awhile... or you'd have to keep coming up with new regular people who just happen to get the suit for whatever reason, and how much depth could possibly be made for them if the suit jumps away after a few years (which, btw, in comic book time would be mere MONTHS).

I just think if you then get away from him being obsessed w/ Killing Spidey, then he is no longer Venom.
That is why I think he is cursed to have only been relevant for a short period of time. He is trapped, obsolete.

Then most villains should be obsolete, especially the Green Goblin. Because most villains are obssessed with only one thing or another.

Another perspective you could take however, is that he could be taken in a different direction, and/or his character developed and fleshed out as Jenkins had hinted at. The problem was, at the end (of The Hunger) he went back to the same place and was hating Spider-man again. That won’t work in my eyes, because he’s never going to do anything about it therefore he is a joke.

Again, that would apply to most villains, that's what makes them villains. We all know they're never going to actually kill Spider-Man, but we still like to watch them try, right? And c'mon man, that storyline with Venom hunting Spidey on that island is a classic, don't you think?!

For the character to possibly become valid again, he will need more depth to him than just hating Spider-man.

Definitely agree with that. I think that's where venom went downhill, Marvel could have spent the last 10 years really creating a very rich history of Brock, but instead created multiple symbiotes which only managed to diminish Brock (or the origianl suit, however you wanna look at it) as a major villain.

PS. McFarlane's Venom sucked ass. t:

 

[shinlyle]

The Venom character didn't go to crap because of Brock being the host, it went to crap because marvel did what they always do with a success... they beat it into the ground until it is no longer a success. Carnage and maximum Carnage and the planet Symbiote storylines, etc. are what made Venom no longer interesting. Instead of delving deeper into who Brock is/was (aside from being married), their solution to more sales was to just add more symbiotes. Venom was no longer original, and basically became a boring one-dimensional villain.



The same can be said of most villains in comics. How many villains actually have any REAL depth to them? Like I said, when writers do manage to bring out villains as real characters, things get interesting. They could have done that with brock, but they chose to go a different direction. And having the suit jump around every few years would have been equally stupid because then you'd REALLY never have any depth from whoever the host happened to be. You'd either have the suit jumping to known superpowered villains (like Scorpion, whose always been a ****ty second rate villain anyway) which would become really overused after awhile... or you'd have to keep coming up with new regular people who just happen to get the suit for whatever reason, and how much depth could possibly be made for them if the suit jumps away after a few years (which, btw, in comic book time would be mere MONTHS).



Then most villains should be obsolete, especially the Green Goblin. Because most villains are obssessed with only one thing or another.



Again, that would apply to most villains, that's what makes them villains. We all know they're never going to actually kill Spider-Man, but we still like to watch them try, right? And c'mon man, that storyline with Venom hunting Spidey on that island is a classic, don't you think?!



Definitely agree with that. I think that's where venom went downhill, Marvel could have spent the last 10 years really creating a very rich history of Brock, but instead created multiple symbiotes which only managed to diminish Brock (or the origianl suit, however you wanna look at it) as a major villain.

Preach it, man. I like Brock just fine..when he's written well.

PS. McFarlane's Venom sucked ass. t:

On this, you have smoked yourself ******ed. McF's Venom was awesome...the creepy grin, the lurking from the shadows....he was great. Bagley's Venom honestly sucked something fierce when he first drew him. The one on the last page of ASM#361 was ridiculous! It wasn't until about ASM#363 or the following appearance in ASM#374 that Bags really perfected Venom's look.

Larsen...well, as much as I loved Larsen's Spidey, his Venom was a little too over the top for me.

 

[USMC]

Preach it, man. I like Brock just fine..when he's written well.



On this, you have smoked yourself ******ed. McF's Venom was awesome...the creepy grin, the lurking from the shadows....he was great. Bagley's Venom honestly sucked something fierce when he first drew him. The one on the last page of ASM#361 was ridiculous! It wasn't until about ASM#363 or the following appearance in ASM#374 that Bags really perfected Venom's look.

Larsen...well, as much as I loved Larsen's Spidey, his Venom was a little too over the top for me.

Different strokes. Larsen's my favorite Venom artist, and speaking of over the top? McFarlane couldn't draw a normal person if his life depended on it. His art is horrible, always has been, always will (oh wait, he doesn't draw anymore, too busy playing with his action figures or something. )

YUCK!!!!

COOLNESS!!!

 

[shinlyle]

Different strokes. Larsen's my favorite Venom artist, and speaking of over the top? McFarlane couldn't draw a normal person if his life depended on it. His art is horrible, always has been, always will (oh wait, he doesn't draw anymore, too busy playing with his action figures or something. )

YUCK!!!!

COOLNESS!!!

I liked Larsen's Venom the first time he drew him, but he went a little crazy towards the end.

As fro McFarlane....his normal peopel were always weirder than the freaks. Read SPAWN if you want goosd examples of that. I think the people in that book looked freakier than ol' hamburger-face himself!

I just alway sdug the cool "less is more" approach with Venom.

As for my favorite Venom, I'm torn. It's down to McFarlane or the Later Bagley renditions.


Larsen still has my favorite Spidey of all times, though.

 

[Kevin]

How beautiful.:heart:

 

[USMC]

My Larsen Venom pic didn't post...

 

[Kevin]

Larsen is my second favorite spidey artist ever. I wanna see the pic.

 

[Nathan]

My Larsen Venom pic didn't post...

One http too many.

 

[USMC]

 

[Won '08]

Venom's not a super-villain by the way. So you guys know that.