The Rumors, The Facts, The Speculation: Cyclops

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

no reason to kid nap someone ? That reason would be is so Magneto can trick Jean Grey & get one POWERFUL Mutant on his side

no reason to manipulate someone ? Like I said Magneto would have a chance to get one Powerful Mutant on his side

That seems reason enough alone if you ask me

Except that Magneto wouldn't know that Jean Grey was dead. And even if he did, how would he have the slightest idea that she'd actually come back from the dead, and know the exact time, 8 months later?

Go back and watch X2 again. You'll see that Magneto left with Mystique and Pyro before Jean was "killed" by the flooding waters.

And why would Callisto and Psylocke be working for Magneto? They wouldn't even know Magneto yet. So they'd have no idea he'd even be interested in this mutant, and where to find her, because they'd have no idea who Magneto even is.

 

[Spidey 2007]

Except that Magneto wouldn't know that Jean Grey was dead. And even if he did, how would he have the slightest idea that she'd actually come back from the dead, and know the exact time, 8 months later?

Go back and watch X2 again. You'll see that Magneto left with Mystique and Pyro before Jean was "killed" by the flooding waters.

And why would Callisto and Psylocke be working for Magneto? They wouldn't even know Magneto yet. So they'd have no idea he'd even be interested in this mutant, and where to find her, because they'd have no idea who Magneto even is.

theres another good point, i wonder if they payed attention enough to the fact magz left!! pfft i never even thought about it! hmmmmm


lol at this thread, crazy stuff

 

[LEX]

It's been eight to a year since X2. Maybe Magneto would've had someone to spy on the X-Men and found out that Jean is dead.

 

[Retroman]

Nice thread.
I have a feeling Cyclops will live and go in to battle but will he survive the battle?Hmmm...

 

[WideAwake]

Great thread, The Original Bamfer!

Nell2ThaIzzay, I like your theory.
I agree that it was Magneto's machine that triggered Jean's evolution. The machine "appeared" to have no effect on mutants, but as Xavier said in X1, "every 100 millennia, evolution leaps forward". I always thought that because of Magneto's machine, Jean's evolution leaped forward, which is why she repeated Xavier's opening monologue from X1.

I also thought about a possible relation between Jean's powers and the cure. Yours does make a lot of sense, but there could be more to it: Jean has never been a particularly power hungry person, and to have her suddenly freak out over having not enough power doesn't seem to be in her character: there should be more behind Jean's change to Dark Phoenix.

And why couldn't Callisto be at the lake when Jean rises? From the trailer, it seems that she is the one who informs Magneto about Phoenix.
Maybe she was after Scott, after all, every scene is based on something from the comics, and the Morlocks did try to get Scott to join them, didn't they?

 

[chamber-music]

it would suck if Scott was not the one to save Jean at the end and it was wolverine or storm. Their relationship needs to be addressed.

 

[CapBeerCino]

The Rumors, The Facts, The Speculation: Cyclops
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Great post Sums up all I've been thought since May 2005. ​

 

[Avalanche]

This is why I believe he lives - the proof.

Not proof. Speculation from hints.
As for whether he dies, I don't think at this stage we can prove it either way. It will remain a hot topic until the film is released.

 

[Avalanche]

Except that Magneto wouldn't know that Jean Grey was dead. And even if he did, how would he have the slightest idea that she'd actually come back from the dead, and know the exact time, 8 months later?

Go back and watch X2 again. You'll see that Magneto left with Mystique and Pyro before Jean was "killed" by the flooding waters.

Magneto would surely have heard on the grapevine about the death of Jean. He has ways of knowing things he shouldn't, namely Mystique.

And why would Callisto and Psylocke be working for Magneto? They wouldn't even know Magneto yet. So they'd have no idea he'd even be interested in this mutant, and where to find her, because they'd have no idea who Magneto even is.

They'd have no idea who Magneto is? What's to say Magneto isn't very much acknowledged as a mutant terrorist. It's entirely possible the public know of his actions and thus any mutants too.

 

[Aiden]

I know, but TOB was giving me the idea that it was "official" that there would be more mutants helping them in the finale....

-TNC

I thought Kinberg said that more mutants would come?

Anyways, excellent post TOB. Wonderful

 

[Spidey 2007]

Great thread, The Original Bamfer!

Nell2ThaIzzay, I like your theory.
I agree that it was Magneto's machine that triggered Jean's evolution. The machine "appeared" to have no effect on mutants, but as Xavier said in X1, "every 100 millennia, evolution leaps forward". I always thought that because of Magneto's machine, Jean's evolution leaped forward, which is why she repeated Xavier's opening monologue from X1.

I also thought about a possible relation between Jean's powers and the cure. Yours does make a lot of sense, but there could be more to it: Jean has never been a particularly power hungry person, and to have her suddenly freak out over having not enough power doesn't seem to be in her character: there should be more behind Jean's change to Dark Phoenix.

And why couldn't Callisto be at the lake when Jean rises? From the trailer, it seems that she is the one who informs Magneto about Phoenix.
Maybe she was after Scott, after all, every scene is based on something from the comics, and the Morlocks did try to get Scott to join them, didn't they?

hmmm i dont think xaviers speech at the opening of X1 is meant to focus on jean, i think it focuses on The mutant population and growth among the mutants in the world.....and that they will probably becaeom the domenant species....evolution of humans, ya know. then jean had the vioce over at the end of x2 to represent herself as an example of this type of evolution or something.


i ahve no clue whats going to be said in X3 and i cant wait to hear it!

 

[The Batman]

nice essay, but i still think he'll die, especially after hearing about how wolverine and jean will take it to the next level, and the news that this movie will be an hour and 43 minutes.

 

[berzerko89]

nice essay, but i still think he'll die, especially after hearing about how wolverine and jean will take it to the next level, and the news that this movie will be an hour and 43 minutes.

dont you think its a little be absurd to kill one of the major x-men character s from the x-men universe???

if cyclops is dead, that would totally su*k!

 

[oneteen]

I love this thread. People here actually have hope.
My reasoning for how Cyke lives is that if you go up to a regular movie junkie and tell them that Cyclops dies their initial reaction is "why?" or "How come?". So if the general audience feels confusion about that idea, why would FOX allow it? This is the FINAL X-men movie. Everything is supposed to come clear by the end. Not have Cyclops-who is the leader of the x-men-laying in a grave.

 

[invincible mann]

i will judge it when the film is released
i dont know what cykes fate is
but whatever it is
i just go in remembering marsden had limited time to work with
because he was doing 2 films
there is no way he could be the center of the film as wolverine is
he had no time
personally i am glad he is in both films
as long as the first shot we get before credits isnt his death
i am willing to give the filmmakers the benefit of the doubt

 

[josh8]

nice post TOB. but you should have left it as rumors, facts, and speculation and not claimed it to be proof that cyke lives.

anyways, i do think that cyke lives, but i still think the demolecularization happens. to me, all the evidence still points to it. if he were only injured and found near jean, i think he'd be in the same med-lab room as as her in the mansion (if not right next to her).

the argument that "the script has changed!" just isnt strong enough for me. the scene is obviously still in the movie, in some incarnation. if i were to ask everyone "do you think that scene where jean and prof have a psychic battle was still in the movie?", i think most would conclude that it's still in there and has the same outcome as in the script review. yet when it comes to this scene, everyone is in denial and hides behind "the script has chaged". i think the scene plays out a little differently, but still with the same outcome. i think the changes that have been made are to lengthen jean and cyke's interaction and to also have the scene end with jean incapacitated so as to easily explain her confusion as to what happened.

my theory on cyke's return is kinda weak (haha), but i think something clicks in jean's head when she's going all crazy and she brings cyke back. something like she calls out to him with her mind and since she's so powerful, she brings him together again. i dunno, something like that. i'm sure the writers wont disappoint us.

i dont think the writers ever had the intention of killing cyke off permanently, hence the mysterious demoleculariztion (no body). the AICN reviewer was obviously just being too hasty in passing judgment. no third act!!! that's all i have to say about that.

 

[WideAwake]

hmmm i dont think xaviers speech at the opening of X1 is meant to focus on jean, i think it focuses on The mutant population and growth among the mutants in the world.....and that they will probably becaeom the domenant species....evolution of humans, ya know. then jean had the vioce over at the end of x2 to represent herself as an example of this type of evolution or something.

That's what I meant, Spidey

 

[cyke93]

nice post TOB. but you should have left it as rumors, facts, and speculation and not claimed it to be proof that cyke lives.

anyways, i do think that cyke lives, but i still think the demolecularization happens. to me, all the evidence still points to it. if he were only injured and found near jean, i think he'd be in the same med-lab room as as her in the mansion (if not right next to her).

the argument that "the script has changed!" just isnt strong enough for me. the scene is obviously still in the movie, in some incarnation. if i were to ask everyone "do you think that scene where jean and prof have a psychic battle was still in the movie?", i think most would conclude that it's still in there and has the same outcome as in the script review. yet when it comes to this scene, everyone is in denial and hides behind "the script has chaged". i think the scene plays out a little differently, but still with the same outcome. i think the changes that have been made are to lengthen jean and cyke's interaction and to also have the scene end with jean incapacitated so as to easily explain her confusion as to what happened.

my theory on cyke's return is kinda weak (haha), but i think something clicks in jean's head when she's going all crazy and she brings cyke back. something like she calls out to him with her mind and since she's so powerful, she brings him together again. i dunno, something like that. i'm sure the writers wont disappoint us.

i dont think the writers ever had the intention of killing cyke off permanently, hence the mysterious demoleculariztion (no body). the AICN reviewer was obviously just being too hasty in passing judgment. no third act!!! that's all i have to say about that.

as time goes on, i have a feeling that dead or alive, cyclops will get screwed in this movie, where he should've shined. if he dies, he dies. that'll suck. and if they bring him back to the end, i think that itll be weak .. we'll be begging for the kind of treatment he got from x2.

no matter what happenes to me, i think many cyclops fans will walk out of the theatre disappointed with the portrayal of his character .

 

[RagingTempest]

I believe Cyke lives, too !!!

The writers did also say he has a small but pivotal role in the story!!!

 

[josh8]

no matter what happenes to me, i think many cyclops fans will walk out of the theatre disappointed with the portrayal of his character .

yeah, totally true. x1 and x2 set such a low bar for cyke's character that you'd think x3 could beat it easily. funny how that might not be the case.

however, i do think that simon and zack have a much better understanding of the characters and hopefully in the little time we get to see of cyke, he is finally portrayed as something more than just a loser for "logan-the-great" to pick on.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Good essay TOB, but I still think that their is some more proof of Cyke dying than you mentioned.

I believe Cyke lives, too !!!

The writers did also say he has a small but pivotal role in the story!!!

Making Jean rise is small yet pivotal.

 

[TNC9852002]

I thought Kinberg said that more mutants would come?

If he ever said that, it must've been a while ago..

Can anyone find something on this?

-TNC

 

[ginny_weasley]

o wow, I didn't know about the set picture...interesting....

 

[bluewolv]

So I have a question? If Cyclops fans think he lives then which X-men do they think dies?

 

[Angamb]

I would like to see more of Cyclops in the next sequels