The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[Mister J]

She's lying through her bloody teeth. Good luck in getting advertisers to spend big $$$ on slotting spots on a show where a sizeable portion, of an otherwise low volume audience, is DVRing past commercials.

 

[steelio2006]

figures that i finally am able to get the time to start watching the show and they're about to cancel it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

She's lying through her bloody teeth. Good luck in getting advertisers to spend big $$$ on slotting spots on a show where a sizeable portion, of an otherwise low volume audience, is DVRing past commercials.

Her justification for DVR does seem really silly. People can't skip the ads because they have to check for when the show starts up again? Please. Ever hear of rewind?

 

[sethcohen]

i skip em like a mofo... gotta love the 30 sec skip back button!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Nothing. Many worlds theory again: John's in one future, so even if Sarah changes things in the past, his future will remain intact.

But there can't be multiple timelines in existance at the same time, that doesn't really make sense. It's pretty clear in my opinion that their is one timeline in existance, but the actions that Sarah, Derek, and John have done have altered the future in minor and significant ways to where a new timeline forms as the result of them.

If Sarah changes things in the past, then the future John is in should have some changes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wouldn't the future John's in already have all the changes, since they already happened in that timeline's past?

 

[hippie_hunter]

but she failed... we know this because john landed in a post judgement day future. Here's a question: what happens to John, if she succeeds?

John should never even exist then because if she succeeds in preventing Judgment Day then there never will be a robot war. If there is no robot war then that means there is no resistance led by John Connor. If there is no resistance led by John Connor, then that means Skynet won't send the original T-800 in 1984 to attempt to kill Sarah Connor so that John will never be born. If Skynet doesn't sent the T-800 to kill Sarah Connor, then John will never send Kyle Reese to protect her. If Kyle Reese isn't sent to protect Sarah, that means he'll never have sexy time with her. If he doesn't have sexy time with her, then that means John will never even exist.

And if none of this ever happens then everything that has happened from 1984 and so on will be radically changed with only Sarah Connor remembering what has happened. Therefore anything that happened within the Terminator mythos will never happen and it might as well be that we never even watched the movies or TV show

 

[hippie_hunter]

Wouldn't the future John's in already have all the changes, since they already happened in that timeline's past?

No because they haven't happened yet in the past. The actions that John, Sarah, and Derek have altered the future over and over because of their actions.

Take a look at the future that had Andy Goode in it. But then Derek killed him therefore erasing his destiny of creating Skynet and the role he plays in the resistance. That future doesn't exist anymore because Andy is dead and was replaced with another one that altered itself and the Kaliba Group is now the one responsible for Skynet.

 

[GhostPoet]

So...was this the last season then?

 

[Nightmare]

It looks like it, nothing's 100% yet.

 

[Timstuff]

It might be the last season. I don't want to go giving out percentages of likeliness because it'd all be BS, but I'd list the show as "at risk" of cancellation. I will not say that it is more likely to be canceled than it is to be renewed though, because I am an optimist, and apparently Fox still has some faith in the show. In general TV vieweship is down, and it might be more expensive for Fox to develop a new IP than it would be for them to try and expand TSCC's viewership. The show has a very loyal viewership and gets loads of praise, so there's clearly potential there.

 

[Sam Fisher]

You mean they have faith in American Idol and other crappy reality tv

 

[Kable24]

FOX should do what they are doing for Friday Night Lights. Instead of the usual 23 episodes, Friday Night Lights is doing 2 more seasons of 13 episodes each.

 

[GhostPoet]

You mean they have faith in American Idol and other crappy reality tv

Now THERE'S a show that needs canceling.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Only it draws about 7 times as many viewers as TSCC. Not a good thing in my opinion, but a fact nonetheless.

 

[Timstuff]

People invariably get bored of reality TV shows after the first few seasons. They are a great way to pad up a network's schedule, but when a network relies too heavily on them, eventually people start demanding scripted shows again (case in point: NBC). Prison Break just had the plug pulled on it, and with Dollhouse slipping into mediocre-ratings-land in just its first season, keeping TSCC around doesn't necessarily look unattractive to them.

The show survived in the Friday Slot of Death in an experiment by Fox that did not go according to plan. They wanted to revive "Sci-Fi Fridays" with Dollhouse, but it turned out to be a bomb, and TSCC's ratings were hurt from it. Fox may be stupid sometimes, but they're hopefully smart enough to realize the cause-and-effect nature of what happened. Fox moved TSCC to TV's worst night (in terms of viewers), and wanted to see how many people would follow the show. It turns out that the show's hardcore fanbase is about 3.5 million strong, plus another million in DVR. The rest of the show's audience was casual live viewers who watched it on Mondays, but stopped watching during football season and when the show moved to Friday.

Point is, the show needs a better night. If Fox had paired the show with American Idol last fall when Season 2 started, this show would be Fox's answer to Lost right now. Unfortunately though, the show had a bad night, and then, a terrible night, and now the show's viewer base has bottomed out at about 4.5 million viewers. If that's rock bottom for the show, it's actually not that bad, but Fox HAS to do something to get ratings up if they plan on renewing it.

My suggestion? Warner Bros. should sell reruns of the show to all the cable networks that cater to the demographics the show could potentially reach-- specifically, Sci-Fi channel and ABC Family, and then air them throughout the summer. They might have to sell the reruns at a discounted rate, but if it gets people to tune into the new season on Fox it will be worth it, so hopefully that is something Warner Bros. is using in their negotiations with Fox for a new season. They need to get the people who stopped watching caught up on the story, and they need to get people who were unaware of how good the show is to watch, and rerunning the show on a network that caters to sci-fi and a network that caters to family dramas would be the best way to do it. If this creates enough awareness for the show, it would justify Fox moving TSCC to the coveted Tuesday 9:00 PM slot.

 

[BlackLantern]

You mean they have faith in American Idol and other crappy reality tv

well Idol pulls anywhere from 18-25 million viewers for both their telecasts and they make a mint on ad revenue....I read that Idol has the highest ad costs for a weekly televised program than any program in the past few years...and companies are paying....

hate it all you want....its a cash cow for Fox....the closest to that in terms of weekly viewership is CSI with anywhere from 9-12 million viewers weekly

 

[Nivek]

American Idol and it's Ilk is nothing but an Freaking over-hyped Talent show IMO.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

well Idol pulls anywhere from 18-25 million viewers for both their telecasts and they make a mint on ad revenue....I read that Idol has the highest ad costs for a weekly televised program than any program in the past few years...and companies are paying....

hate it all you want....its a cash cow for Fox....the closest to that in terms of weekly viewership is CSI with anywhere from 9-12 million viewers weekly

Yet another show I don't understand the appeal of. People really love super-simplistic procedurals without any of the juicy character stuff that makes drama compelling to me, it seems.

 

[BlackLantern]

American Idol and it's Ilk is nothing but an Freaking over-hyped Talent show IMO.

I don't disagree....I was just putting the numbers out there...its a ratings juggernaut....look at what the other networks have on tonight against it in the 8pm slot....NOTHING...any showing new episodes are on at either 9 or 10

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's funny 'cause it started during the whole pop idol fad in the early '00s, but now that's mostly subsided (replaced by pop punk and emo bands, which are even worse) and American Idol is still going strong. Does anyone other than old women even listen to these people's music after they win?

 

[BlackLantern]

don't know Corp, and on top of all that....people are watching it live

 

[FCEEVIPER]

It's funny 'cause it started during the whole pop idol fad in the early '00s, but now that's mostly subsided (replaced by pop punk and emo bands, which are even worse) and American Idol is still going strong. Does anyone other than old women even listen to these people's music after they win?

I don't think so, everyone just wants to see who wins it.*

That's why Taylor Hicks is now in some Broadway play, because nobody that watched him win didn't purchased his CD's. t:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

don't know Corp, and on top of all that....people are watching it live

Well, of course. How could they possibly wait with it sitting on their DVRs--or, as American Idol's primary viewership calls them, "those new, no-tape VCR contraptions."

 

[Nivek]

Does anyone other than old women even listen to these people's music after they win?

That is what i don't get, who the hell eats up this garbage?