Days of Future Past The Sentinels - Part 1

[Johnny-Oh]

I wonder if Shaw and Jean would be able to destroy all those Sentinels.

 

[Herolee10]

I wonder if Shaw and Jean would be able to destroy all those Sentinels.

Not sure about Phoenix Jean, but I think they could take down Shaw in the same manner that they did with Bishop, where they just overload/overwhelm him with energy.

I don't know about anyone else, but did anyone else feel like the film portrayed the Future Sentinels in the same intimidating manner that the Jurassic Park films have done with the Raptors?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Not sure about Phoenix Jean, but I think they could take down Shaw in the same manner that they did with Bishop, where they just overload/overwhelm him with energy.

Shaw was absorbing energy from a nuclear reactor in First Class, there is no way the Sentinels would shoot something more powerful than that.

 

[psylockolussus]

If the Sentinels couldn't kill Shaw with the fire blasts, they could stab him in the back like what they did to Storm.

Same with Jean Grey. if she's not in Phoenix force, she could be killed by 1 stab in the stomach or the back.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Shaw was absorbing energy from a nuclear reactor in First Class, there is no way the Sentinels would shoot something more powerful than that.

Equally Bishop could easily cope with Sunspot's sun power. Too much power killed him, like it would kill Shaw. Alternatively, big sharp stabby things

 

[Devil-In]

You would think that since the X-men have been defending themselves from these things for so long that they would have learned some things about them. They really could've used the Sentintals changing against them. Have them go up against Colossus where they turn to metal to counter his attack and have Magneto take them out. Use Sunspot or Iceman to make them go all fire/ice and have those two have their way with them with the opposite.

Granted, I only saw the movie once...but isn't that how the beginning of the movie played out?

 

[ciscostudent561]

Shaw was absorbing energy from a nuclear reactor in First Class, there is no way the Sentinels would shoot something more powerful than that.

it was very slow and concentrated. You drop a nuclear bomb on him at full power and he's dead.

Phoenix got killed by wolverine. Those sentinels are quicker longer and stronger then lil logan, so she'd die easy.

I think a more accurate portrayal of Phoenix Jean would wipe out the sentinels fairly easily.

Which brings to question - How would the MCU Avengers do against the sentinels? Obviously Hawkeye and Black Widow die fast any easy.

 

[Devil-In]

it was very slow and concentrated. You drop a nuclear bomb on him at full power and he's dead.

Phoenix got killed by wolverine. Those sentinels are quicker longer and stronger then lil logan, so she'd die easy.

I think a more accurate portrayal of Phoenix Jean would wipe out the sentinels fairly easily.

Which brings to question - How would the MCU Avengers do against the sentinels? Obviously Hawkeye and Black Widow die fast any easy.

Well, to be fair, none of the MCU are mutants, so I doubt they could factor directly into Sentinel programming, but just by judging how utterly powerful they were, the only one I think that could stand a chance is Hulk (because Hulk always wins lol).
-Any human, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Fury, etc... would be cake for them
-Cap may be able to out maneuver them for a little while, but he has his limits. Drop a few dozen of those Sentinels at him, and he's toast. Imagine him, starting to wear thin, throwing his shield at them, only for the Sentinels to catch it a la Winter Soldier and transform into vibranium.
-Stark would have a fighting chance, but I can see the Sentinels ganging up on Tony, holding him down, and literally tearing Tony from his armor. Disrupt his communications with JARVIS and Tony is as good as dead. The same goes for War Machine. Even if they were power-boosted with Extremis, the Sentinels may be able to adapt and use that against them.
-As far as Thor goes, if the Sentinels have already taken down Captain America, it would be Thor trying to fight living, walking, robot vibranium monsters. His lightning attack his used on those flying whales in Avengers may be able to grant him some breathing room, but he too has his limits. They may not be able to withstand Mjolnir, but Thor himself?...toast.
-Loki...tough call. A lot of fanboy/fangirl power would probably let him out-think them, but again, deception can only go so far with these things. I can see a half dozen or so Sentinels surrounding a cloaked Loki, as Loki looks on in horror, realizing he can't trick them, and they all blast him at once.
-So that leaves Hulk, and even though he is...well, The Hulk, he's now going up against an army of vibranium laden, Extremis powered, God killing robots. Imagine if the Sentinels have pheromone control as well...being able to calm Hulk down, forcing him revert back to Banner...ZAP.

 

[ciscostudent561]

MCU Thor stands a way better chance then MCU Hulk. But all in all I don't see the Avengers winning either.

Thor has shown some really impressive Energy projectile feats and has gon go toe to toe with the Hulk while holding back.

I dont think that the sentinels can absorb the vibranium - They can only "learn" from abilities not inorganic materials. So no to the Vibranium. Extremis? they already are extremis powered in a way..Lol at Loki being a tougher call then Thor- pfft he's not even an Avenger and Thor owned him in Thor 1 while holding back.

Its really about what Thor and Hulk Can do. I think they stand a chance but idk.

 

[Devil-In]

Well, they absorbed and changed into

Spoiler

organic metal and diamond

...why not the same for something far easier to replicate? To me, it seems easy if they shift molecules to mimic powers and even elements (ice, fire)

 

[ciscostudent561]

because it isn't organic.
Remember their powers are drawn from mystique.
Mystique had her fake adamatimun claws cut off in x1 by wolverine. screamed as it happened.
So no since Mystique's powers are their base- they can not transform to harder, inorganic substances. We're going off feats and not speculation.

This doesn't make me able to call weather Thor or Hulk can beat that last wave that doomed the X-men, but it does limit the Sentinels some.

 

[MarvelU]

I think the Sentinels as a whole were made from years and years of research about mutants. Mystique genes though accelerated the program for them though since she could shape shift and these Sentinels could shape shift and quickly transform into other material although the transformation is the key. Now of course the other materials that these sentinels could transform too were due to the other mutants they had under experimentation (Emma, Rogue..etc), since Mystique herself can't duplicate powers.

Also this discussion of Avengers vs Sentinels is interesting, especially when there were literally hundreds and hundreds of Sentinels coming at the X-men. Maybe Hulk might be the only one to survive them, I don't know.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Thor is just as durable as hulk in the MCU, in fact he has had more impressive durability showings. He tanked blows from the Aether which had enough constructive force to wipe out the 9 realms including Earth... Hulk has been overwhelmed by a handful of Chitauri(watch the NY scene again, it comes to a point where he's berated by bullets) ... Thor on the other hand we didn't witness this- Hulk also got owned by the hyper sound the military through at him in Hulk one. He's impressive and I think can take tons of Sentinels but he and Thor's durability is even at best ~ and Thor is just more versatile. Proven to be in the same strength category with the ability for weather manipulation and flight.

Watch the frost giant scene from Thor 1.. he levels like a continent of ground with a God Blast.


you guys mad underrate MCU Thor

 

[MarvelU]

I don't know much about Thor, is he prone to stabbing? Since these Sentinels seem to like stabbing. He was slightly injured when Loki stabbed him in Avengers, so who knows. But yeah Thor could probably give them a good fight.

 

[ciscostudent561]

First it was Asgardian blade
Second Thor got immediately back up and slammed Loki on his face
Then went back into battle.
I think more of the shock came from the evil of his lil brother.

I think in Agents of Shield series the Asgardians (Sif to be specific) tank bullets.
Bullets > stabbings

And Thor is the strongest most durable Asgardian there is.


With all that said, I can still see how hundreds of the Sentinels can overwhelm Thor and Hulk. So its not a foregone conclusion Avengers win. IJS that Hulk and Thor's strength and durability is kinda neck and neck as far as the MCU goes from what I've seen.

 

[kasjan]

If the Sentinels couldn't kill Shaw with the fire blasts, they could stab him in the back like what they did to Storm

Hmm, no that wouldn't hurt him, he absorbs any kinds of energy.

X3 Jean would destroy those Sentinels in few seconds, before they approach to her.

 

[Devil-In]

because it isn't organic.
Remember their powers are drawn from mystique.
Mystique had her fake adamatimun claws cut off in x1 by wolverine. screamed as it happened.
So no since Mystique's powers are their base- they can not transform to harder, inorganic substances. We're going off feats and not speculation.

This doesn't make me able to call weather Thor or Hulk can beat that last wave that doomed the X-men, but it does limit the Sentinels some.

Not to split hairs here, but this entire discussion is speculative.

Now, if we are going to use the Sentinels as power-absorbing/morphing, then Hulk is out of the picture. Who's to say the Sentinels could not duplicate the anger-powered gamma radiation mutation that allows Banner to not drop dead?

Not to mention that the Sentinels were shown to absorb and duplicate powers, maybe even share them between one another without being in direct physical contact. (the scene where the Sentinels that kill Sunspot and Iceman is what I'm talking about, these two Sentinels almost seem to share the powers of their attackers and switch them, in order to melt the ice and freeze the fire respectively). Also, they're shown to be able to copy organic material, despite being made from inorganic material. I'd hardly call it "speculative" given the nature of the topic here, to say the Sentinels would not be able to absorb and duplicate the vibranium of Cap's shield, or the Asgardian technology/"magic" from Thor. Though it is a bit of a stretch, considering if they can transmute one material to another, it seems to be kind of wasteful to make Sentinels in the first place. (why not just fly to moon and transmute it into solid diamond?)

Sure, Thor is a heavy hitter, but he does have his limits. He is "basically a god", but he is shown to be stabbed by Loki (Avengers), sweat from exhaustive battle (Hulk fight), and if proven to be "unworthy" (which happens from time to time), nothing more than a human without the power of Mjlonir backing him up.

A lot of this depends solely on what the Sentinels programming defines as "mutation". If "mutant" is based solely on the X-gene, then Thor and Hulk could possibly win in a battle with a relative number of Sentinels. (Hundreds, or even thousands of the damn things is a different argument entirely). However, if "mutant" is can viewed as "meta-human", for lack of a better term, the situation is different entirely.

I think Logan even said at point in the film that Sentinels began to target anyone that may have produced the X-gene, even generations down the line, as well as mutant sympathizers. It stands to reason the Avengers would be sympathizers, and as mutants cannot exist in the MCU, is becomes a matter of who has the most firepower and who can hold out the longest. Judging based SOLELY off what we've seen thus far in film/television, the Avengers had trouble holding New York from Chitari invasion, and the Sentinels are far more powerful than the Chitari.

Conversely, if we assume mutants can, for speculative humor, exist within the MCU, regardless of the presence of the X-gene, then we must define Hulk as a being who poses a mutation, as well as the future Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch as mutants. And if they can copy those powers as well...honestly, do we think Stark has armor to stop Sentinels carrying the powers of Hulk, Scarlet Witch, AND Quicksilver?

Methinks not.

The Sentinels were designed, from the beginning, to be THE threat of the X-Men, the perfect weapon against them, able to nullify their powers (in some cases, copy), and kill mutants. How one defines a "mutant" or "mutation" becomes a concern ONLY when its regards to "Can a Sentinel beat________ Avenger in a one on one fight?" It depends on if the Sentinel views said Avenger as a mutant, or one of their supporters. It could be such a thing as Thor just whaling on these things for fun, but because he lacks the strength to do significant damage (and doesn't sympathize with mutants), he may be literally beating his fists against the wall. Even if he has the strength to destroy them, surely after a few getting zapped and crashed, the Sentinels would view Thor as a threat....drop in a few hundred...thousand, and Thor is toast.

Hulks power derives from a mutation that Banner has. X-gene presence or no, Hulk would be a prime target. Assuming their copying abilities aren't limited to X-gene manipulation, Hulk can't win against hundreds of other Hulks. Even assuming the Sentinels cannot absorb is power, Hulk is not invulnerable/immortal. It'd be a helluva fight, yeah, but Hulk would tire out eventually, revert back to Banner, and be face-blasted into oblivion.

No matter how you shake it, the Sentinels would eventually win out against practically any foe, if for no other reason than sheer numbers alone, short of bringing in some cosmic-level being (Thanos/Galactus), "ultra" mutants, (Jean Grey/Apocalypse/Proteus), or magically imbued beings (Dr. Strange)

 

[Legion]

The Avengers and Fantastic Four were killed by the weaker comic Sentinels in DOFP storyline if that matters to anyone. The Sentinels in the film are much more powerful and formidable. Outside of any kind of convenient writing or god-mode, the Avengers would definitely lose.

 

[Devil-In]

The Avengers and Fantastic Four were killed by the weaker comic Sentinels in DOFP storyline if that matters to anyone. The Sentinels in the film are much more powerful and formidable. Outside of any kind of convenient writing or god-mode, the Avengers would definitely lose.

I was staying away from comic origins or other characters for simplicity's sake.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

it was very slow and concentrated. You drop a nuclear bomb on him at full power and he's dead.

Phoenix got killed by wolverine. Those sentinels are quicker longer and stronger then lil logan, so she'd die easy.

I think a more accurate portrayal of Phoenix Jean would wipe out the sentinels fairly easily.

Which brings to question - How would the MCU Avengers do against the sentinels? Obviously Hawkeye and Black Widow die fast any easy.

But wasn't the whole point of First Class to start WW3 so the radiation would make them stronger? Im pretty sure he was gonna be able to take a nuclear explosion with no problem and Sentinels can't stab him because he would just absorb the kinetic energy. They made him so powerful that only a telepath would be able to stop him.

 

[ciscostudent561]

The Avengers and Fantastic Four were killed by the weaker comic Sentinels in DOFP storyline if that matters to anyone. The Sentinels in the film are much more powerful and formidable. Outside of any kind of convenient writing or god-mode, the Avengers would definitely lose.

Bad writing. Thor alone was goin toe to toe wth Celestials at the time.
Its another reason avengers and xmen don't fit in the same universe but that's an entirely different topic. Anyways.

Im definitely not sayng MCU thor can take on hundreds on sentinels nor could hulk

 

[Legion]

But wasn't the whole point of First Class to start WW3 so the radiation would make them stronger? Im pretty sure he was gonna be able to take a nuclear explosion with no problem and Sentinels can't stab him because he would just absorb the kinetic energy. They made him so powerful that only a telepath would be able to stop him.

He's not invincible. He ran away from Erik's anchor attack earlier in the film.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Hmm, no that wouldn't hurt him, he absorbs any kinds of energy.

X3 Jean would destroy those Sentinels in few seconds, before they approach to her.

Like she did logan? Lol ya right

 

[Devil-In]

But wasn't the whole point of First Class to start WW3 so the radiation would make them stronger? Im pretty sure he was gonna be able to take a nuclear explosion with no problem and Sentinels can't stab him because he would just absorb the kinetic energy. They made him so powerful that only a telepath would be able to stop him.

Actually, disregarding the meta factor of the 'Children of the Atom' thing Shaw went on about, his plan was to make HIMSELF stronger. He was lying about nuclear radiation being the cause of the X-gene. As he was shown being able to absorb the power from the reactor, his plan was to wipe out most of the world, growing exponentially in strength in the process. It fits squarely with why he sided with the Nazis in the first place

Shaw's power in the movie was more akin to Bishop than anything else. That's why Erik needed to slowly drive the coin through his skull, that produces far less kinetic output then flinging the coin full blast at Shaw. It probably would've just bounced off, that's why he wanted nuclear war. he couldn't have just drop nukes on himself, it would've been too much for him to absorb. In the comics, Shaw regularly just punches brick walls to absorb the kinetic power (at least he used to). He wouldn't be able to absorb much power just leaning on the wall, ergo the more power behind the blast, the more he can absorb, but it has limits.

I'd imagine that the Sentinels could overload Shaw the same way they overloaded Bishop. Enough power, all at once, would be too much to handle I would think. Regardless of that, if even one future Sentinel was able to get close enough to Shaw to make physical contact, they would be able to adapt and use his power against him. Even if not, they are smart enough to figure out they have to kill him by inches.

The people that made this film gave us a truly terrifying threat with the Sentinels, as they rightly should. Just as in the original comic, the only way to stop them is to make sure they never come to be in the first place.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmm, no that wouldn't hurt him, he absorbs any kinds of energy.

X3 Jean would destroy those Sentinels in few seconds, before they approach to her.

Did you remember how Magneto killed Shaw in First Class? Magneto used a coin.

If the Sentinel stabbed him, it would hurt him a lot.

And when I mean stab, not stab with a fire blast but with a solid material like metal.