The Wolverine The Stealth Express of Doom News & Discussion Thread: - Part 4

[KRYPTON INC.]

Hahaha! Oh well...

I got a real sense that Hugh takes the fact that he is the face of this huge pop culture creation in both stride, but with a lot of humility. He is pretty protective of the character and he has nothing but the satisfaction of the fans in mind. That's why the low quality of XO:W is so surprising. But being a good guy doesn't mean you can't also make mistakes.

 

[TWayneP]

well its not really the rating, but the admantium claws always appeared fake during fights to me except for the Lady deathstrike fight in X2. Like there is no marks to show for, never really feeling the impact. The samurai fight seems to be promising, but the bullet train sequence reminded me a lot of origins, where he just wails and hover his claws without actually cutting anything.

and tbh Wolverine is known for shredding and tearing his foes, at least show the claws going through something or someone, or show a little blood. I have a feeling that the rating is handicapping this movie. Most importantly I want well choregraphed fight scenes, not just wolverine throwing his punches and just wailing around his claws.

There will be plenty of impaling haha, there was a report on Wolvie impaling a leg or something awhile ago at the funeral scene. there was in the older movies too, so I'm not sure what your looking for. The greatest scenes from the OT involve impaling, especially in X2. The claws in the bullet train clip look fantastic and you can tell that they are real most of the time and rendered better than origins. Mangold made a point to use a real set of claws more often, like singer did(and will probably,do for DOFP)

I think we were all just really hurt with X3. Origins was bad but x3 is By far the worst wolverine fighting. All he did was wail around so I get what your saying. It was just dumb mindless wailing. There needs to be more style, execution and purpose to the fighting and hacking. I honestly believe this film will deliver on that from what I've seen. Using sword/claw combination, using the chains with the ninjas, using his claws to hang on for dear life while fighting off yakuza, and the slow tense Unsheathing will never gets old to me!

 

[Superhero 101]

Did he just call her a "twisted mutant b^tch" ??

Awesome.

I am liking the dialogue so far from what they have been releasing

 

[Hunter Rider]

We're having shirts made.

I actually don't want to see too many clips before I see the movie, so I was fine with getting a bullet-train clip. The movie looks like it's going to be fun. t:

A Train running on claw tracks printed on them as the team symbol?

I know what you mean, I actually am at the point I got to with Into The Darkness where I was sufficiently psyched for the movie that I didn't need any more tasters, it was main course time! awesome:

A few responses from the footage of the bullet train sequence that was screened a few weeks ago:

From JoBlo.com:



From Latino Review:

Sounds very promising, this is the last of the big summer movies I HAVE to see!

 

[danoyse]

I got a real sense that Hugh takes the fact that he is the face of this huge pop culture creation in both stride, but with a lot of humility. He is pretty protective of the character and he has nothing but the satisfaction of the fans in mind. That's why the low quality of XO:W is so surprising. But being a good guy doesn't mean you can't also make mistakes.

I've always gotten the sense that he knows that Wolverine is the reason he has the career he has now, so he's always going to take good care of that character as long as its his to play. Origins went all kinds of haywire, but he's really been great about the series and all of the craziness that comes with the fans.

 

[J_Howlett]

I am liking the dialogue so far from what they have been releasing

I'm not too sure that's what he said though

 

[danoyse]

A Train running on claw tracks printed on them as the team symbol?

In 3D!!

I know what you mean, I actually am at the point I got to with Into The Darkness where I was sufficiently psyched for the movie that I didn't need any more tasters, it was main course time! awesome:



Sounds very promising, this is the last of the big summer movies I HAVE to see!

Omg, it's ridiculous. I need to see this movie NOW.

 

[def28]

Yea but do you think it would work in Hollywood? Ya know with Hugh Jackman actually doing that stuff. I'd personally love to see it, but it's just not smart. It works in the game perfectly because its a different form of media/entertainment. There's not as much stake in the success of something like that, and also why we haven't gotten another one of those games for this movie. A game has certain freedoms that are overlooked that movies don't.

I think it would be awesome, but yeah there is no denying they would lose some of it's audience. He is also held back in a PG-13 due to his claws though, it's tough to make it work without an R tbh. Even X2 had rating issues cause of it. Personally I want to see it happen just to see how much it would affect a mainstream franchise.

 

[darkslayer101]

There will be plenty of impaling haha, there was a report on Wolvie impaling a leg or something awhile ago at the funeral scene. there was in the older movies too, so I'm not sure what your looking for. The greatest scenes from the OT involve impaling, especially in X2. The claws in the bullet train clip look fantastic and you can tell that they are real most of the time and rendered better than origins. Mangold made a point to use a real set of claws more often, like singer did(and will probably,do for DOFP)

I think we were all just really hurt with X3. Origins was bad but x3 is By far the worst wolverine fighting. All he did was wail around so I get what your saying. It was just dumb mindless wailing. There needs to be more style, execution and purpose to the fighting and hacking. I honestly believe this film will deliver on that from what I've seen. Using sword/claw combination, using the chains with the ninjas, using his claws to hang on for dear life while fighting off yakuza, and the slow tense Unsheathing will never gets old to me!

actually i thought origins had the worst Wolvie fight. my problem is he only cuts the environment to show his ferocity and skill rather than the foe due to the rating. I really appreciated the claw marks deathstrike got in her face as she healed in X2. felt like Wolvie really landed those strikes.

the footage shown so far does set up the potential for well choreographed fights, like you mentioned with the ninjas with chains, but I have a feeling the full movie will be weak and probably will not see through the action.
Since the last fight appears to be the automaton, i really hope they can show Wolvie tearing the armor up with proper execution, and not just quick frames of Wolvie slashing air and then the armor just comes off.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

"Logan" Featurette #2

 

[henzINNIT]

I really hope this film succeeds and destroys all memory of the last one.

 

[UnionJack]

^it's up!



Extended Train Fight Scene

Urg I thought this would be bad from the trailers and it is, all the rolling and flying around just looks stupid and really cheap.

 

[UnionJack]

Wolverine will always be pg-13. I don't know why your thinking an R rating would be better. Nudity? Gratuitous and unessecary blood and violence?(limbs being ripped off, heads exploding etc) The F word over used?

Yea a guy with 6 super sharp claws slicing at people would have no impact at all on a human body?!

We don't need nudity in a Wolverine film.
We don't need swearing, though it does suit that character.
We do need some blood and body damage, if not just take out his claws.

That's the character, read a few solo series and comics and you will see that.
He isn't/shouldn't be this role model to kids.

 

[danoyse]

We're still having the R-rating conversation?

It's not gonna happen, guys. It has nothing to do with little kids. They're not going to make a movie that they can't market to most teenagers. Studios make movies so they can make lots of money, and making a movie that locks out a sizeable chunk of their intended audience would be an incredibly stupid move on their part.

Nolan's Batman trilogy and even Man of Steel have certainly shown that you can make a superhero movie that appeals to adults while staying within the bounds of PG-13.

It's unlikely we'll ever see an R-rated Wolverine movie during this film series. Better get used to it.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah if he's a role model to anybody, it should be people with bad histories and bad tempers, people who've hit rock bottom, looking to redeem themselves. What lesson do kids learn from him? They don't understand, on a personal level, redemption stories. Even speaking of myself, as Wolverine got me into comics at 7 years old, the only thing that drew me to him was that he was an unrepentant and sarcastic badass. He wasn't the role model that Cap or Spidey or Superman were. Logan's personality and powers dictate that his stories should be more violent and visceral, and showing the consequences of his attacks is important to achieving that. Not saying Kill Bill level blood spurting and hacked limbs, but there should definitely be a good amount of blood.

I'm not heartbroken over the rating, but an R would be the best, most ideal way to make a true Wolverine story.
But as others have said, it's never gunna happen, so whatev.

 

[UnionJack]

We're still having the R-rating conversation?

It's not gonna happen, guys. It has nothing to do with little kids. They're not going to make a movie that they can't market to most teenagers. Studios make movies so they can make lots of money, and making a movie that locks out a sizeable chunk of their intended audience would be an incredibly stupid move on their part.

Nolan's Batman trilogy and even Man of Steel have certainly shown that you can make a superhero movie that appeals to adults while staying within the bounds of PG-13.

It's unlikely we'll ever see an R-rated Wolverine movie during this film series. Better get used to it.

No just making it clear that some people would still like it and why is suits the character at his core.

If they do another game at an R then I will be happy.

 

[J_Howlett]

The score sounds so beautiful

 

[danoyse]

No just making it clear that some people would still like it and why is suits the character at his core.

If they do another game at an R then I will be happy.

And everyone understands that. But the reality is that it's not gonna happen - and that a Wolverine movie done right can still work without a R-rating.

 

[BoredGuy]

^so you say

but that has yet to be proven...

the closest we've gotten was X2, and even in that, the mansion raid could've used a bit more blood for my taste
it still irks me when he stabs the dude through the chest and the fridge behind him is spotless

 

[danoyse]

^so you say

but that has yet to be proven...

But saying it will have a R-rating doesn't automatically deem it the "BEST WOLVERINE MOVIE EVAHHH!!!" sight unseen, like some seem to assume.

I stopped obsessing over R-ratings as soon as I was old enough to not have to worry about sneaking into them anymore. And that was a while ago.

 

[TWayneP]

Yea a guy with 6 super sharp claws slicing at people would have no impact at all on a human body?!

We don't need nudity in a Wolverine film.
We don't need swearing, though it does suit that character.
We do need some blood and body damage, if not just take out his claws.

That's the character, read a few solo series and comics and you will see that.
He isn't/shouldn't be this role model to kids.

Um, we are getting blood and body damage in The Wolverine. so again, what are you looking for exactly in an r rating? It's all possible in pg-13. The things that would push it into R would be nudity and gratuitous language. Wolverine isn't going to be chopping off heads, arms and legs left and right, no matter what! but there will be body damage, language and blood in this.

I don't really want to see a brutal wolverine that rips people open and eats thier intestines or whatever the hell people want out of violence nowadays, the r rating thing is getting annoying. There will probably be an unrated cut sometime on blu ray, but Pg-13 suits wolverine JUST fine, and always will. Wolverine got me involved with the x-men that an early age too, like 3 years old, it was from the fox animated series. Casual kids and teenagers love wolverine and usually never see him be that violent. I've read plenty of violent wolverine stories since then, and the violence was NEVER what made me love wolverine, so I can do with or without it. He wasn't violent when he was introduced in the comics either, or most of the comics for that matter. Mostly just graphic novel spin offs or one shot stories, etc. it's all about attitude and the way he carries himself. The biggest misses of x3 and Origins were the characterization, he was way too friendly/boyscout like. Very timid. You need to let Jackman unleash, and then we won't notice if there's buckets blood missing or not.

You need the right people to enforce that and push the pg-13, Nolan did it just fine, it could have been pushed even further! I'm sure Mangold will too.

 

[darkslayer101]

But saying it will have a R-rating doesn't automatically deem it the "BEST WOLVERINE MOVIE EVAHHH!!!" sight unseen, like some seem to assume.

I stopped obsessing over R-ratings as soon as I was old enough to not have to worry about sneaking into them anymore. And that was a while ago.

obviously R rating doesn't automatically make the movie better, but I do feel it is a handicap if it is not there. I mean this is a guy with razor sharp claws that can cut through butter, and all the fight scenes except in X2 makes it look cartoony since he doesn't chop things up and everything feels so staged. If I had such claws, I would be wrecking things up and not just dancing along to some staged moves and wailing around the claws like he did in bullet train scene. It like every goons are conveniently able to dodge is claws but not his punches, wouldn't happen if it was R-rating since the director will decide to kill some goons up close and personal, which is Wolverine style. same thing happened to origins where he was just standing around and wailing the claws without bringing his own unique moves. does anyone remember the wolverine origins game, ya that is exactly what I want plus more properly choreographed moves.

X2 did prove that R rating is kinda not necessary but we are through 4 movies of character development for Wolvie and we have yet to see his full potential in combat, which i think would require a R rating to bring it on to big screen. His battle prowess is a huge part of character and the action offered by Jackman seems like someone doing a street fighting stlye with admantium claws, rather than an animal with skill and execution that goes along with his claws. I know Jackman isn't a stuntman and is very involved in the fight scenes he does, which i commend him for it, But like i said he should fight like Wolverine and not some random person with admantium claws. He is always standing when he fights and not squating down a little bit and going beast mode, which is Wolverine in the comics.
movies like TDK has pushed the pg13 in the sense of being more dark rather than gory, but Wolvie being dark doesn't fulfill his gory side of his character.

I don't hang around Wolverine forums that much so I apologize for bringing this R rating discussion up, but i just wanted to speak my mind.

And everyone understands that. But the reality is that it's not gonna happen - and that a Wolverine movie done right can still work without a R-rating.

a Wolverine movie can work without R-rating, but imo If one wants Wolverine to be on level with the first Ironman movie, then i think R-rating is necessary.

 

[BoredGuy]

Thats exactly right
An R-rating is definitely not necessary
but a mandatory pg-13 is very limiting for any film, and especially Wolverine

and I don't think anybody here, at the moment, is "obsessing" either, just stating a preference

 

[Jacky]

SO MUCH NEW STUFF! And so much awesome. I'm warming up to the train scene. I like how Wolverine is thinking about his moves, how he's smart about taking down those guys one by one. Looks better than I expected from the first trailer.

 

[TWayneP]

obviously R rating doesn't automatically make the movie better, but I do feel it is a handicap if it is not there. I mean this is a guy with razor sharp claws that can cut through butter, and all the fight scenes except in X2 makes it look cartoony since he doesn't chop things up and everything feels so staged. If I had such claws, I would be wrecking things up and not just dancing along to some staged moves and wailing around the claws like he did in bullet train scene. It like every goons are conveniently able to dodge is claws but not his punches, wouldn't happen if it was R-rating since the director will decide to kill some goons up close and personal, which is Wolverine style.

X2 did prove that R rating is kinda not necessary but we are through 4 movies of character development for Wolvie and we have yet to see his full potential in combat, which i think would require a R rating to bring it on to big screen. His battle prowess is a huge part of character and the action offered by Jackman seems like someone doing a street fight with admantium claws, rather than an animal with skill and execution that goes along with his claws.
movies like TDK has pushed the pg13 in the sense of being more dark rather than gory, but Wolvie being dark doesn't fit the character.

I don't hang around Wolverine forums that much so I apologize for bringing this R rating discussion up, but i just wanted to speak my mind.

Honestly I'd blame it on the film makers not knowing how to handle wolverine. As I mentioned above he was portrayed far too timid. You can portray Logan in a pg-13 movie properly. Singer handled him perfectly, but at that point the movies were still evolving, x2 was more violent and singers x3 I'm sure would have been an even more violent wolverine. Ratner and crew took it completely backward and made wolverine a leader, then it rubbed off on origins, where he did NOTHING to prove he was a killer, and was just pointless slashing of ladders etc lol.

Wolvy was honestly on the right track, and I think this movie will put him back on that track singer started. Opening him up to a more serious tone. Yes The Nolan batman movies pushed the rating due to the dark tone, and that does fit wolverine. Outliving everyone you love and having to deal with it is a dark story, so it comes with the territory of wolverine through the comics. He's a very dark character indeed.