The Story.

[Rodrigo90]

I like that take/interpretation of the Kent Family Dynamics. It's definitely realistic, and it's not like you would be adding a MAJOR change to the Kents that would harm the integrity of their characters. It's just adding more layers to the characters.

Honestly, one of the things that I didn't like so much about the Donner films is that they placed more emphasis on Jor-el's teachings to Clark than his Earth Parents, let alone placing more credit to him than them when it came to who influenced him more towards becoming Superman.

I want the Kents to have a IMPORTANT place in Clark's life, but in the same time, I want the decision to come out of the shadows and become Superman to be Clark's decision with his parents supporting him.

Its because I was thinking, what makes Superman the good guy he is? We know he is good, but never really think on why?

I know that the movie is trying to do things realistic like in TDK.

Realistic as saying, we now no longer live in a world of Superman where people are OK with him at first.
Like the real world, he is going to draw all kinds of negative reaction and attention.

So the Kent's should have realistic feelings, like thinking
"Is Clark good because we're good parents, or because we were afraid of what he might become?"
Its not a major thing, but it would probably there in one of the Kent's minds. Maybe Martha doubting herself as a Mother, and Jonathan trying to reassure that the truth is, Clark is the man he is out of love, not fear.

This could start when he starts gearing up for Superman, Martha worrying what the world will do to him, and all because she raised him to be too good and caring. The world might destroy him out of fear.

And it would be nice if Clark reassured them himself. Maybe like that scene in Superman For All Seasons, where he's eavesdropping on their conversation?

 

[Rust]

Not that it probably matters to the story, but it kinda nagged me what Cavill said about his preparations for MOS, having read several of the comicbooks:


"Were there any few authors that you loved the best?

You're going to catch me out on the authors, I'm afraid. I did love Superman: Doomsday, The Death of Superman, Superman Returns, the New Krypton saga especially, Red Son. Red Son was cool because it had the alternate story line. A lot of them I love, but recently, the one I read most recently was the New Krypton saga, and I really enjoyed that."


Other than RED SON, which I cant imagine they'll draw storyline-inspiration from, the others I'm not familiar with. Some of them are a bit old, right? As in stale maybe?

I was hoping he'd at least say Birthright and For All Seasons, since they're sounding more and more like the basis for the origin. They're my favorite origin/Smallville-stories.
But like I said, probably irrelevant.

 

[Herolee10]

Its because I was thinking, what makes Superman the good guy he is? We know he is good, but never really think on why?

I know that the movie is trying to do things realistic like in TDK.

Realistic as saying, we now no longer live in a world of Superman where people are OK with him at first.
Like the real world, he is going to draw all kinds of negative reaction and attention.

So the Kent's should have realistic feelings, like thinking
"Is Clark good because we're good parents, or because we were afraid of what he might become?"
Its not a major thing, but it would probably there in one of the Kent's minds. Maybe Martha doubting herself as a Mother, and Jonathan trying to reassure that the truth is, Clark is the man he is out of love, not fear.

This could start when he starts gearing up for Superman, Martha worrying what the world will do to him, and all because she raised him to be too good and caring. The world might destroy him out of fear.

And it would be nice if Clark reassured them himself. Maybe like that scene in Superman For All Seasons, where he's eavesdropping on their conversation?

Agreed; Truth be told, I thought Smallville did a great job at this for the first two seasons of the show regarding the Kent Family Dynamics.

Heck, comic book or not, it would also be believable if the Kents wondered deep down inside if Clark really looked at them as his parents in the same way that they look at him as their own son.

Thankfully, I don't think it's going to take three films for the Man of Steel to get the people in his city to appreciate him like it did for Batman in Nolan's films.

 

[_Kal-El_]

Other than RED SON, which I cant imagine they'll draw storyline-inspiration from, the others I'm not familiar with. Some of them are a bit old, right? As in stale maybe?

I was hoping he'd at least say Birthright and For All Seasons, since they're sounding more and more like the basis for the origin. They're my favorite origin/Smallville-stories.
But like I said, probably irrelevant.

It's kind of hard to believe you're not familiar with Superman: Doomsday and The Death of Superman. The New Krypton Saga I can buy, that's fairly recent. But Doomsday and Death Of... are landmark tales.
Nevertheless, I can see your point on Birthright and For All Seasons just as well. Maybe they feel it doesn't hold enough punch to be used as a feature-length tale?
I wouldn't mind them drawing inspiration from the issues Cavill mentioned, as long as they don't pull in Doomsday.
Doomsday has been featured in nearly every single unproduced script, so it's pretty obvious the studio execs aren't interested in that angle.

 

[--Zero-Ethic--]

Not that it probably matters to the story, but it kinda nagged me what Cavill said about his preparations for MOS, having read several of the comicbooks:


"Were there any few authors that you loved the best?

You're going to catch me out on the authors, I'm afraid. I did love Superman: Doomsday, The Death of Superman, Superman Returns, the New Krypton saga especially, Red Son. Red Son was cool because it had the alternate story line. A lot of them I love, but recently, the one I read most recently was the New Krypton saga, and I really enjoyed that."


Other than RED SON, which I cant imagine they'll draw storyline-inspiration from, the others I'm not familiar with. Some of them are a bit old, right? As in stale maybe?

I was hoping he'd at least say Birthright and For All Seasons, since they're sounding more and more like the basis for the origin. They're my favorite origin/Smallville-stories.
But like I said, probably irrelevant.

They're just books he read in research so I really doubt there's connection to the film script.
But they seem like good books to form a decent idea of who Kal-El is anyway so whoop whoop!

Something that didn't really occur to me when I heard his list was that he might be deliberately NOT mentioning certain books for fear of giving away details of the script.
Like if he had mentioned Birthright, people would be all over that old supposed film synopsis that was circling the net a while back because it sounded exactly like Birthright.

Guess we shall have to wait and see!

 

[hopefuldreamer]

One of the strengths of the Batman Begins story was starting the hero out in an unrecognizable form. No one could have guessed our first shot of Bruce Wayne would be in a cambodian prison camp. The same with Superman, that's why the african journalist angle from Birthright has so much promise, in that it immediately communicates, this is not your father's superman.

From there, there can, and should be, scenes with a young Clark Kent and his father, but it simply cannot be this chronological thing where we spend 15-20 minutes with a different actor than our star. It just doesn't connect the same way as something non-chronological would. And the point of Smallville, narratively isn't the community. The point is the Kents, and how they affect who Clark is, and where his morality comes from.

Agree 100%... Like literally, are you in my head? Especially with starting him off in an unrecognisable way. Something no one has seen before.

I will keep banging on about a non linear origin until we get confirmation. But I'm pretty sure Goyer gets that, and the script will reflect it.

They're just books he read in research so I really doubt there's connection to the film script.
But they seem like good books to form a decent idea of who Kal-El is anyway so whoop whoop!

Something that didn't really occur to me when I heard his list was that he might be deliberately NOT mentioning certain books for fear of giving away details of the script.
Like if he had mentioned Birthright, people would be all over that old supposed film synopsis that was circling the net a while back because it sounded exactly like Birthright.

Guess we shall have to wait and see!

That's pretty much what I thought.

Except with me it's kind of a hope. Cause I hope he has/does read Birthright.

And because we've been discussing this so long that if we don't see any Journalist in Africa style bits in the beginning of the film, I'll actually be really dissapointed.

Seems like such an exciting way to restart the franchise.

If all they are going to do is show Clark in Smallville getting used to his powers, JK dying, then Clark going off to find out the truth about where he's from and coming back to the world, getting a job at the DP and 'coming out' as Superman, just in time to kick Zod's bum...

Well it's not going to do the job really is it.

We need a new angle. IMO Birthright provided a perfect one (although I will say it's not the first interpretation to say that he was a freelance journalist who went travelling a experienced a lot of culture).

 

[DrCosmic]

Very very right.

Thank you, sir.

Wasn't it Bhutan? The place had huge mountains and snow as well.

It was Bhutan! I haven't been in that (relatively large part of the world, so I easily get some countries mixed up.

Heres how you can give the Kent's a decent arc of their own.

They find Kal-El in the field. Decide to leave him in an orphange, but they have become attached to him, and legally adopt him.

Years later. The Kent's have raised Clark as the best kid they could. This could evolve into a nice debate between Jonathan and Martha about wether or not they raised Clark to always say and do the right thing, out of fear. That he only cares so much because thats what the Kent's raised him to be like, in case he ever thinks of himself to be superior. Of course we know that even if the Kent's had a son of their own, he would still be like Clark, because they raised him out of love, not fear. I know thats never been in the comics, but its a realistic question they would ask themselves. Just doubting themselves as decent parents

Then when Clark starts prepairing to become Superman, they initially support him, but express their fears and concerns of wether the world will accept or fear him, and if things dont work out, he could come back to the Farm. Then Clark reminds them that they shouldn't doubt themselves in any way, because they adopted and raised him out of love, not fear. If they cant accept him, then he will try to make the world understand

I like that arc a lot. I do believe that Pa Kent will die, perhaps even before the opening of the film, and that will be the catalyst to bring Clark back from his walkabout, and to come into contact with his heritage. I suspect we'll see Pa Kent, even his discussions with Martha, all in flashbacks.

Agree 100%... Like literally, are you in my head? Especially with starting him off in an unrecognisable way. Something no one has seen before.

 

[shamon]

Wow those are deep and make a whole lot of sense .

 

[Herolee10]

I know its silly to judge the film based on the first film alone, and it's not that I'm judging the film (that hasn't even been filmed really yet) based on the one pic that was released, it's just that I'm right now, starting to hope even more, that BOTH Snyder and Nolan realize that what may work for a character like Batman, won't necessarily work with Superman.

I mean, aren't they in a lot of ways, polar opposites from each other? Yeah, Superman can be a badass when he lets loose, but in the same time, unlike Batman, Superman is supposed to instill hope in the populace and be that inspiration symbol; not some tall menacing figure.

I mean while Burton may have done well with his Batman films back in the day, obviously as we've all read and seen, he was by far, the WRONG choice for a character like Superman.

Then we get to Singer, who has been praised for his take on the X Men Franchise, yet when it came to Superman's character, well history speaks for itself.

So now we're onto to Nolan and Snyder, who have been praised (big or small) for their respective films and to the distinctive tones that they bring to their respective films.

What I'm hoping is that they realize that Superman is by far a different character that they're used to, and that trying to alienate him too much from his core characteristics will HARM the character and potential franchise than it will help it. Hell, I'm one to believe that the new Reboot for Superman in the comics is going to TANK due to how they've literally changed Superman to someone that I don't recognize at all as a character now.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I know its silly to judge the film based on the first film alone, and it's not that I'm judging the film (that hasn't even been filmed really yet) based on the one pic that was released, it's just that I'm right now, starting to hope even more, that BOTH Snyder and Nolan realize that what may work for a character like Batman, won't necessarily work with Superman.

I mean, aren't they in a lot of ways, polar opposites from each other? Yeah, Superman can be a badass when he lets loose, but in the same time, unlike Batman, Superman is supposed to instill hope in the populace and be that inspiration symbol; not some tall menacing figure.

I mean while Burton may have done well with his Batman films back in the day, obviously as we've all read and seen, he was by far, the WRONG choice for a character like Superman.

Then we get to Singer, who has been praised for his take on the X Men Franchise, yet when it came to Superman's character, well history speaks for itself.

So now we're onto to Nolan and Snyder, who have been praised (big or small) for their respective films and to the distinctive tones that they bring to their respective films.

What I'm hoping is that they realize that Superman is by far a different character that they're used to, and that trying to alienate him too much from his core characteristics will HARM the character and potential franchise than it will help it. Hell, I'm one to believe that the new Reboot for Superman in the comics is going to TANK due to how they've literally changed Superman to someone that I don't recognize at all as a character now.

from time to time i do think about that, but to be honest the cast that surrounds this project has got me feeling optimistic, i know that could probably end up meaning squat, but i just feel..... i dont know reasurred....especially when they interviewed Diane Lane and asked her about being cast as Martha.....and she said"...ive always wanted to raise a good man".....that right there means alot to me

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Does anyone else just occasionally get hit by a wave of panic, followed by the thought 'OMG, they're gonna screw this up again aren't they? I'm gonna spend two years hypeing about this film and it's gonna be a pile of garbage!'

I mean I know, yeah, Goyer had the idea, Nolan loved it, Snyder's directing, Cavill's Superman... those things should be enough to keep me confident...

It's just sometimes I think the worst might happen and it's just such a horrible thought.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Does anyone else just occasionally get hit by a wave of panic, followed by the thought 'OMG, they're gonna screw this up again aren't they? I'm gonna spend two years hypeing about this film and it's gonna be a pile of garbage!'

I mean I know, yeah, Goyer had the idea, Nolan loved it, Snyder's directing, Cavill's Superman... those things should be enough to keep me confident...

It's just sometimes I think the worst might happen and it's just such a horrible thought.

Living up to you're screen name. Lol

And my god you're a women. (best tony stark impression)

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

And my god you're a women. (best tony stark impression)

You weren't supposed to tell her that!! We've been hiding it from her all these years!

 

[solidsnake86]

Does anyone else just occasionally get hit by a wave of panic, followed by the thought 'OMG, they're gonna screw this up again aren't they? I'm gonna spend two years hypeing about this film and it's gonna be a pile of garbage!'

I mean I know, yeah, Goyer had the idea, Nolan loved it, Snyder's directing, Cavill's Superman... those things should be enough to keep me confident...

It's just sometimes I think the worst might happen and it's just such a horrible thought.

Well anything thing could go wrong, just look at green lantern. That movie is a victim of missing key character scenes to really explore hal jordan. Not to mention having the whole movie completed very close to the opening that even if you wanted to rework it you couldnt because the amount of CG. Here they started filming, if anything they'll have a lot of time to come up with a coherent story and do reshoots.

Superman's origin is also very popular considering they choose to redo it in every medium. The concept also isn't as ridiculous as GL. As long as they can get the audience to care for clark, which I think they will do, this movie will be successful. Not to mention, visually, I think were in for a real treat with villains that have his powers as well.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You weren't supposed to tell her that!! We've been hiding it from her all these years!

Oh damn. Sorry.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Living up to you're screen name. Lol

And my god you're a women. (best tony stark impression)

My screen name is weird, granted, but nothing to do with my over the top and uneccesary panic attacks

(It's just meant to be about heroes who give up their lives for a greater cause... Created the name on another forum back when I was 14 and writing a short story about it, and it just kind of stuck... i'd change it, but it's been almost a decade!... unfortunately, every time anyone sees the word suicide, they start going 'OMG SHE'S DEPRESSED, SHE WANTS TO KILL HERSELF )

And... i'm a what?! t:

 

[Boosted]

i would think that they wouldn't start in africa without reason. whenever i think of the story, i try to think of it as what would get nolan so excited. i think it'll play into superman's conflict between his human and kryptonian sides. Def throw in some xenophobia too. That's why Zod is involved imo.

Well anything thing could go wrong, just look at green lantern. That movie is a victim of missing key character scenes to really explore hal jordan. Not to mention having the whole movie completed very close to the opening that even if you wanted to rework it you couldnt because the amount of CG.

gl was a victim of 3 tv writers. I was amazed at the complete lack of story outside the premise. and the awful action scenes, that goes to the director though.

 

[Rust]

What if the suit will actually be Jor-El's kryptonian suit that he puts in the escape-pod with Kal-El. Which could mean we might see Crowe in it.
Would be a nice touch IMO and an easy and obvious explanation.

 

[Herolee10]

from time to time i do think about that, but to be honest the cast that surrounds this project has got me feeling optimistic, i know that could probably end up meaning squat, but i just feel..... i dont know reasurred....especially when they interviewed Diane Lane and asked her about being cast as Martha.....and she said"...ive always wanted to raise a good man".....that right there means alot to me

I hope that's the case. Honestly, after the disappointment with SR, and the on and off feelings that I've had for SV the show, I'm in need of a UNIVERSALLY GREAT adaptation of the Superman character and given that this is like his last chance to do it right for awhile...well yeah, the pressure is on.

I hope Cavill wasn't being bias when he said that the screenplay was great. I really want to see Superman done right. The character doesn't need to be angst like or portrayed as one of those morally gray Heroes.

If they can do Captain America right, then they should be able to do Superman right, stay true to his core characteristics.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think what sparked an element of doubt for me, was talking to my friend who is a big Star Wars fan.

And he was comparing everything i'm feeling and seeing now with MOS to everything he was before Phantom Menance...

And we all know how that turned out

 

[IamtheBatman]

Do we even know what comics or graphic novels is suppose to be the plot for MOS?

 

[IamtheBatman]

I'd say it once and I will say it again I hope its the Birthright and Secret Origin because that's what its starting to sound like!

 

[Rodrigo90]

I'd say it once and I will say it again I hope its the Birthright and Secret Origin because that's what its starting to sound like!

And Superman For All Seasons, judging by rumours and sets of a tornado hitting Smallville.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I hope they don't base it on any comic in particular personally. I hope that Goyer has come out with an idea of his own, and it'll be one that is both respectful of the source material but also exciting and new and something we've never seen before. Like Batman Begins was for Batman IMO.

That said, I do hope they take bits and peices from the comics.

Most importantly, i'm really really hoping they start out with Clark as a freelance journalist somewhere in the world.

It doesn't have to be Africa, and it doesn't even have to be anything to do with war or political unrest.

It just has to be a) more believable that Clark could get a job with the Daily Planet afterwards, b) an angle and a beginning to the Superman story that we have never seen before, and c) something that gives us an idea of the 'world' that we are being introduced to.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I hope they don't base it on any comic in particular personally. I hope that Goyer has come out with an idea of his own, and it'll be one that is both respectful of the source material but also exciting and new and something we've never seen before. Like Batman Begins was for Batman IMO.

That said, I do hope they take bits and peices from the comics.

Most importantly, i'm really really hoping they start out with Clark as a freelance journalist somewhere in the world.

It doesn't have to be Africa, and it doesn't even have to be anything to do with war or political unrest.

It just has to be a) more believable that Clark could get a job with the Daily Planet afterwards, b) an angle and a beginning to the Superman story that we have never seen before, and c) something that gives us an idea of the 'world' that we are being introduced to.

What I think is interesting, are those rumours about Amy Adams being on the set of Smallville. She might have an impact on Clark to go into journalism or something.

And the way this is shaping up, I think this movie is going to give a nod to everything in the past 70-odd years of Superman history, while being totally new.

My Uncle is a Superman NUT. Total and utter nut for Supes. He has more knowledge than Chris Reeve did

So it would be nice if I saw something from recent history of the movie, while he saw something that makes him go
"Just like the comics I used to read as a kid"

And...I still say that pic of Cavill is a nod to the first ever story from 1934, where Supes rescues 10 men trapped in a vault