The Story.

[BH/HHH]

And Superman For All Seasons, judging by rumours and sets of a tornado hitting Smallville.

yeah although there is a tornado in Secret Origins aswell

 

[Rodrigo90]

yeah although there is a tornado in Secret Origins aswell

I'm waiting to get that and Batman Archives #7 from Forbidden Planets

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm waiting to get that and Batman Archives #7 from Forbidden Planets

Oh I just bought the trade

 

[hopefuldreamer]

What I think is interesting, are those rumours about Amy Adams being on the set of Smallville. She might have an impact on Clark to go into journalism or something.

And the way this is shaping up, I think this movie is going to give a nod to everything in the past 70-odd years of Superman history, while being totally new.

My Uncle is a Superman NUT. Total and utter nut for Supes. He has more knowledge than Chris Reeve did

So it would be nice if I saw something from recent history of the movie, while he saw something that makes him go
"Just like the comics I used to read as a kid"

And...I still say that pic of Cavill is a nod to the first ever story from 1934, where Supes rescues 10 men trapped in a vault

I hope it is, cause that'd be such a great thing to do. Shame more people haven't commented on it really. I think everyone is just so stuck on Pre Crisis vs Post Crisis, that the early stages of the Golden Age just gets left forgotten on occasion.

One of the best things about the early stories was that he was named 'Champion of the Opressed' IMO. That is a much better ideal than 'Truth, Justice and the American way'. He has no loyalty to the law or the justice system. He helps people, sometimes in really complicated ways, and bends or even breaks the law to do so.

I'm not saying they should show all that in a film. Just that i'd be happier if they made a few nods to the Golden Age, than worrying too much about pleasing both post and pre crisis enthusiasts.

As for Amy Adams in Smallville, yeah that has me excited too. I could see her stopping in a Smallville coffee shop, complaining because they've run out of espresso or something

Little changes like that, only help to revitalise the story.

If this whole idea was just Snyder's, then i'd be incredibly worried about him adding nothing to it storywise. Just picking a story i.e. Birthright, and translating it visually onto screen.

Which would be nice, but not all that exciting.

Goyer on the other hand, I trust a lot more. I don't know why more people don't trust him. What he did for Batman in terms of the story and how it develops throughout, encompassing important aspects of the mythos while still being quite unique, deserves more respect than the 'Ugh, Goyer can't do dialogue' complainers give him.

Of course there is always the chance that he's pulled a JJ Abrhams, and his other successes should be no reason to trust his capability to understand Superman

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

My screen name is weird, granted, but nothing to do with my over the top and uneccesary panic attacks

(It's just meant to be about heroes who give up their lives for a greater cause... Created the name on another forum back when I was 14 and writing a short story about it, and it just kind of stuck... i'd change it, but it's been almost a decade!... unfortunately, every time anyone sees the word suicide, they start going 'OMG SHE'S DEPRESSED, SHE WANTS TO KILL HERSELF )

And... i'm a what?! t:

I was only kidding. But I assumed you were a male. My deductive skills suck. Lol.

 

[The Sage]

I hope it is, cause that'd be such a great thing to do. Shame more people haven't commented on it really. I think everyone is just so stuck on Pre Crisis vs Post Crisis, that the early stages of the Golden Age just gets left forgotten on occasion.

One of the best things about the early stories was that he was named 'Champion of the Opressed' IMO. That is a much better ideal than 'Truth, Justice and the American way'. He has no loyalty to the law or the justice system. He helps people, sometimes in really complicated ways, and bends or even breaks the law to do so.

I'm not saying they should show all that in a film. Just that i'd be happier if they made a few nods to the Golden Age, than worrying too much about pleasing both post and pre crisis enthusiasts.

As for Amy Adams in Smallville, yeah that has me excited too. I could see her stopping in a Smallville coffee shop, complaining because they've run out of espresso or something

Little changes like that, only help to revitalise the story.

If this whole idea was just Snyder's, then i'd be incredibly worried about him adding nothing to it storywise. Just picking a story i.e. Birthright, and translating it visually onto screen.

Which would be nice, but not all that exciting.

Goyer on the other hand, I trust a lot more. I don't know why more people don't trust him. What he did for Batman in terms of the story and how it develops throughout, encompassing important aspects of the mythos while still being quite unique, deserves more respect than the 'Ugh, Goyer can't do dialogue' complainers give him.

Of course there is always the chance that he's pulled a JJ Abrhams, and his other successes should be no reason to trust his capability to understand Superman

I don't totally trust Snyder in the writing area despite liking his visuals, and I don't trust Goyer totally either. Goyer's a great ideas guy and provided plenty for the Batman movies but without someone to guide him he can go off the deep end. It's the involvement of the Nolan brothers thats keeps my interest high in the story. Chris Nolan and David Goyer put together solid script for Batman Begins, Goyer came up with a good outline for The Dark Knight and Jonah Nolan made a great script out of it. All of the above for me.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't totally trust Snyder in the writing area despite liking his visuals, and I don't trust Goyer totally either. Goyer's a great ideas guy and provided plenty for the Batman movies but without someone to guide him he can go off the deep end. It's the involvement of the Nolan brothers thats keeps my interest high in the story. Chris Nolan and David Goyer put together solid script for Batman Begins, Goyer came up with a good outline for The Dark Knight and Jonah Nolan made a great script out of it. All of the above for me.

You are quite right. Left to his own devices goyer delivers blade trinity.

Need I say more?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It just doesn't FEEL like another Blade Trinity (though in his defence, he did alright with Blade 1):

1. Would a lot of top name actors who you wouldn't have even thought of for the Superhero genre, be signing on without seeing a script? And if the script was awful, would they be signing on at all?

2. It's not really just Goyer. It's Goyer, and Chris Nolan, and Jonah Nolan, and Kurt Johnstad... plenty of people have had a finger in this pie.

 

[jb007]

Cosmic Book News revealed a series of Plot points about The Man of Steel, revealed to them by their insiders at Warner. It is unconfirmed if this is true, but it sounds good.

Spoiler

• Brainiac attacks Krypton after Jax-Ur destroys one of its moons during an experiment, and abducts the city of Kandor, which eventually leads to Krypton's destruction.
• General Zod and Faora attempt to stop Brainiac, but fail and, for this, they are banished to the Phantom Zone alongside Jax-Ur.
• Years later, they escape via a Phantom Zone Projector in Superman's spaceship and learn more about Earth.
• Zod believes that the humans are destroying a perfect planet and decides to conquer Earth and turn it into a New Krypton, with him and Faora as the parents of a new Kryptonian bloodline.
• Meanwhile, Jax-Ur is sent by Zod to advance Earth's technology alongside Lex Luthor, CEO of LexCorp.
• General Sam Lane, Lois Lane's father, commands Earth's military forces against Zod's invasion. He hates aliens as much as Zod hates humans and believes Superman to be the same as them, so, he attacks Superman as well.
• Brainiac is being introduced to be used as the main villain of a potential sequel. Revisions in the Script, however, appear to atribuet Krypton's destruction to Jax-Ur, leaving Brainiac's role in in unknow.
• Ed Harris and Jeff Bridges are being looked at to play General Sam Lane.
• Jon Hamm is being looked at to play Jor-El.
• Adam Harris' audition impressed Zack Snyder and he'll be doing complementary tests with Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, in addition to be working out in order to make for a more physically intimidating Lex Luthor.
• There is apparently two versions of the Script being worked on. Both are very action-packed, especially during the finale.

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/man-steel-script-spoilers-plot-revealed-superman-2012

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...r-el-faora-braniac-and-spoilers-superman-2012

If this is true this movie will rock!

 

[hopefuldreamer]

1. That is sooooooooooo an old rumour
2. I hate that plot and for the most part, hope it is nothing like that (only thing I like is Zod thinking humans are destroying the planet)

 

[BlueLantern]

Those rumours are clearly fake since Crowe's already Jor-El and the Adam Harris chappy who looked like a Grant Morrison knockoff isn't cast in the film either.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

My deductive skills suck. Lol.

A Sherlock Holmes with bad deductive skills and a non-suicidal HopefulSuicide. Hmm.. lol

 

[Rooster Booster]

Reading the plot on wikipedia, sounds like what rumors have gone around.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Birthright

Even the costume looks similar. I think the new Supersuit is a mixture of Birthright and Earth One.

 

[The Sage]

Probably parts of it, especially the rumor that Clark Kent will be in Africa prior to becoming Superman.

This is better off in the Story thread.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

A Sherlock Holmes with bad deductive skills and a non-suicidal HopefulSuicide. Hmm.. lol

Well are you holding your arms out?

 

[Doc Krypton]

For those discussing the tornado, and whether it draws from For All Seasons or Secret Origin:

Spoiler

The scene takes place in 1997, and Cavill is on set, more than likely portraying teenage Clark. Additionally, a gas station is being built specifically to explode. It will most likely be very much inspired by For All Seasons.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Well are you holding your arms out?

Yep.. in a Jesus Christ Pose.

 

[8wid]

At least with that version of Zod, Superman will finally be able to get to combat global warming.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yep.. in a Jesus Christ Pose.

Gonna need some picture proof I think!

 

[Rodrigo90]

Here's how I think Clark should become Superman.

Clark lives a sheltered life with the Kent's. Wears his glasses at school, and doesn't tend to mingle with the other kids. Keeps a low profile.

However, he is extremely helpful when asked, and never hesitates to offer help when needed.

Clark feels disheartend about his life, as he has all these incredible abilities, and may never get the chance to use them to help people. Forever spending his time hiding on the farm, in fear that his life and the Kent's lives will be destroyed.

Then a tornado hits Smallville...leaving Clark with a dilemma, should he stop it and risk exposing himself, or just stand back and watch his town be devastated...let innocent people lose their homes...their lives? Clark decides that he cannot hide in the shadows no longer, he rushes out to stop the tornado, saving his town, but notices that because of his hiding...it was too late for some.
Clark then makes a decision...that he will dedicate the remainder of his life as a saviour.

Thats just the basics mind

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Mmmmm... will he then spend the rest of the film going 'It was all my fault! I HAVE to be a hero, no matter how much pain it causes ME, because I can't handle the guilt ever again!'

If so, then no

I love the idea of him going to university (especially if it's to study Journalism). It establishes so many things.

1. That he isn't born with the idea of putting on a suit and saving people. It's something that comes later in life, after experiencing a bit of the world, living a bit of his human life. Building dreams and hopes and aspiritions. That's how Clark Kent as a character makes sense... otherwise he may as well just be Superman all the time.

2. That even with all his powers, he sees Journalism, exposing the truth, going after the corrupt, as a way of saving the world. I think that's really important. Establishing that Superman is one of few heroes to have the intelligence and depth to see how the world could change on a large scale. He's a hero who isn't JUST about saving people, but about saving morality and justice worldwide.

3. That he EARNS his job at the Daily Planet. That it is BELIEVABLE that he would actually become a Journalist because he's passionate about it, good at it and at least a little bit experienced in it by the time he walks into Perry White's office. IMO it makes his entire life more realistic if he goes to University.

4. It makes it a little less likely we will see his transformation into Superman come after a few years learning in the FOS. Which I hate. It's just so important to me that in this film, it's his choice. Donner had his way, and so did Smallville. I wanna see the other way!

 

[Rodrigo90]

The idea was from Superman For All Seasons

In that story, I noticed Superman isn't born from guilt, but from realisation.

Where Clark see's just a small, but very devastating disaster that happens in the world, right in his own back yard. Where he felt bad for not doing enough, and feels he needs to do more for the world.

If Superman was born from Clark's guilt, then it was put the dampners on his character. Superman needs to be born from Clark's good heart, the right frame of mind. The realisation that he is needed for all the good and bad things in the world.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The idea was from Superman For All Seasons

In that story, I noticed Superman isn't born from guilt, but from realisation.

Where Clark see's just a small, but very devastating disaster that happens in the world, right in his own back yard. Where he felt bad for not doing enough, and feels he needs to do more for the world.

If Superman was born from Clark's guilt, then it was put the dampners on his character. Superman needs to be born from Clark's good heart, the right frame of mind. The realisation that he is needed for all the good and bad things in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, I just have a massive lack of faith in a films ability to portray that reasoning, as well as the GA's ability to not see it as black and white as 'he became Superman cause those people died in that tornado and he felt guilty.

I'm totally with you on wanting the decision to be based on a small but devestating disaster, and how it brings him to feeling he's not doing enough. But i'd prefer they went the Birthright route, which is 1. Far enough away from home that you don't assosiate it with personal guilt and grief so much, and 2. also including the idea that he found helping people made him feel like he had a purpose.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, I just have a massive lack of faith in a films ability to portray that reasoning, as well as the GA's ability to not see it as black and white as 'he became Superman cause those people died in that tornado and he felt guilty.

I'm totally with you on wanting the decision to be based on a small but devestating disaster, and how it brings him to feeling he's not doing enough. But i'd prefer they went the Birthright route, which is 1. Far enough away from home that you don't assosiate it with personal guilt and grief so much, and 2. also including the idea that he found helping people made him feel like he had a purpose.

I really hope he goes to Africa in the movie. Like in Birthright, It would make him look totally in touch with the world.

I think they'll probably have the tornado in Smallville. If the rumours are to believed, and the pics of the sets are from devastation, and not half-assed jobs from the production team

And besides, Batman got the Himalayas, so Superman should get Africa

 

[hopefuldreamer]

LOL agreed.

And yeah, they definitely have a tornado going on, I'd say that was pretty much fact now. Just a question of how they use it I suppose.

P.S. Just realised I passed 2,000 posts. Yay me!