The Tobey Maguire/Peter Parker Thread

[ghost_x]

In a nutshell for me Maguire plays a great 'movie parker', what does that say about staying true to the comic counterpart, absoloute squat

 

[Visionary]

It says that you don't have to copy the comic counterpart to get purists into theaters in droves. The real question is, what does that say about you?

 

[Eggyman]

I suspected as much now that the contracts have run out, and although this isn't specific confirmation, it does give insight into what Toby feels now he has a choice to continue or not.

I'm sure there will be people delighted by this . . . and of course there will be people, like myself, who have thought that he has been an excellent Peter Parker and will be sad to see him leave the franchise -- if, of course, there IS a franchise after Spider-Man 3.

He also says that Spider-Man 3 has tied up most story arcs -- and although we all probably know which arcs have been tied up (Harry's being the main one), which arcs are the ones that have not come full circle? Discuss.


http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5290

 

[Gonking]

Spider-man movies should start from zero now, with a new director and cast.

Without Tobey I don't want a "Spider-man 4", it has no sense. But I would like to see the beginning of a whole new saga.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Spider-man movies should start from zero now, with a new director and cast.

Without Tobey I don't want a "Spider-man 4", it has no sense. But I would like to see the beginning of a whole new saga.

I hate people who want to start over because you have to recast.

 

[bosef982]

I'm fine with the series ending for four years and then having a new entry arrive ten years from now.

However, if Sony drops the dough, Toby'll be back.

 

[Eggyman]

I completely agree; the continuity will be lost, thus a different take should begin . . . but I do believe there is no reason for another 'nerd gets bitten by spider' story.

In the point of how Toby says that they 'almost tie everything up for the third movie', it has left me puzzled at what they haven't tied up -- maybe MJ and Pete's relationship, or Doc Connors . . .

 

[chosen1]

"The world is a smaller place now." -- The Greek

 

[The Joker]

Well, assuming Peter and MJ get a happily ever after in SM-3, then all the stories have been wrapped up:

-Peter and MJ finally get married
-Goblin saga is completed
-Doc Ock has been done
-Symbiote/Venom has been done
-The Stacys have been featured

In terms of Spider-Man history, those are the most important elements/characters to the fans. I didn't include Sandman, because I don't think you'd have heard many complaints if he had not been used. Not that he doesn't look great in the movie, but he is a real take it or leave it villain. He hasn't got the legendary status the others up there have.

Anyway, just because Tobey is leaving does not mean the movies are going to stop.

 

[deathshead2]

I'm cool with it I never liked his spider-man.

 

[Eggyman]

I completely agree with you about Sandman, and I think you could be right about all the arcs being tied up -- I could easily imagine Toby using the word 'almost' concerning this just to cover his I-didn't-know-Spidey-before-the-films back, making sure he wasn't putting his foot in his mouth . . . or anywhere else, for that matter.

 

[Visionary]

Well, assuming Peter and MJ get a happily ever after in SM-3, then all the stories have been wrapped up:

-Peter and MJ finally get married
-Goblin saga is completed
-Doc Ock has been done
-Symbiote/Venom has been done
-The Stacys have been featured

In terms of Spider-Man history, those are the most important elements/characters to the fans. I didn't include Sandman, because I don't think you'd have heard many complaints if he had not been used. Not that he doesn't look great in the movie, but he is a real take it or leave it villain. He hasn't got the legendary status the others up there have.

What about THE LIZARD?

Anyway, just because Tobey is leaving does not mean the movies are going to stop.

When you have a movie that purists hate but still go see with each release, it would be crazy to stop.

 

[spideyman101]

What needs to be completed... if they do bring Ock back then they need to give a decent ending for him... I felt that his death was too rushed.

The symbiote story, I think, will go on to possibly another film with Venom (against popular beleif) and Carnage (also against popular beleif).

Then there's the Peter and MJ marrying story. In the comics they have a daughter and she died at birth. I think they should have that happen... Possibly have Lizard in SM4 and 5. Spidey's main focus is to keep Lizard out of harm, and in the 4th one MJ's pregnant, and Lizard captures MJ and slams her into a wall. Then Peter gets angry and fights back. Then in 5 have MJ give birth and find that their daughter is dead, then have Pete realize it's Lizard's fault (because he slammed her into a wall, which killed the embryo). Then Peter now doesn't care anything about Lizard living.

That would give a dramatic story... ^

also you have the Doc Connors story not finished. They introed him, so at least they'll have to bring in the Lizard.

 

[RustyCage]

Has anyone considered that they can still create NEW story arcs? 'Saga' is an appropriate word to use, to the user that said it. But a new saga doesn't have to mean a recast and start from scratch. It can be just like the cartoon, a breath of fresh air after one series of arcs winds to a close, and then a bunch of new ones develop. Spidey 4 can pick up where 3 left off with all new character developments. Let's see, we've got Doc Connors to work with, Gwen Stacy now... Bruce Campbell was rumored to be Mysterio as just a cameo in this movie.. but what if he got serious in 4? There are LOTS of possibilities for new character arcs and story development from what we've already got.

There are even new and unused characters Peter could interact with in a future flick. Felicia Hardy, Michael Morbius... I mean, the list just goes on, and it'll still be classic! I don't think this franchise could go stale even if it went to 6 movies. There will be more and more stories to tell, and I just hope they'll tell as many as they can and not just leave us longing for more after Sandman and Venom are out of the way.

But more importantly, I think there'll still be a lot of room for Peter to learn about himself... I don't think Spidey should be over until there's some kind of true closure to his personal journey. Will we see that here? I really think it's kind of premature to be an ending.. but then again, I haven't seen what Raimi's done with this part of Pete's story...

I hope Tobey considers a new saga, with new character arcs (maybe expanding from older characters like Connors and Gwen), to be reasonable..

 

[Captain Villa]

This article is selective editing.

Maguire has said that he is open to number 4.

 

[Eggyman]

When you have a movie that purists hate but still go see with each release, it would be crazy to stop.

I know what you're saying bud, Sony would never put this money machine to bed. However, I do think that Toby going will start a landslide of regulars going: Dunst, Raimi . . . I could go on, but I won't.

I'm not saying that they will specifically not come back because Toby isn't (the guy isn't that good), but maybe this will make the decision for them -- I never believed Dunst would continue after the contracts had expired, and I have an idea that Raimi will value the continuity enough to hand over the reins to somebody with fresh ideas on the character.

 

[Spider-Girl™]

Then there's the Peter and MJ marrying story. In the comics they have a daughter and she died at birth. I think they should have that happen... Possibly have Lizard in SM4 and 5. Spidey's main focus is to keep Lizard out of harm, and in the 4th one MJ's pregnant, and Lizard captures MJ and slams her into a wall. Then Peter gets angry and fights back. Then in 5 have MJ give birth and find that their daughter is dead, then have Pete realize it's Lizard's fault (because he slammed her into a wall, which killed the embryo). Then Peter now doesn't care anything about Lizard living.

That would give a dramatic story... ^

Nah, I say leave the baby story alone, that's a toouchy subject with some people, and actually clarifying if she lived or not would start lots of debates and some boycotts. Because in the comics, it's unsure if she lived or not, still to this day the only people that know is Marvel.

 

[Eggyman]

I understand your point, but 'the best' story arcs, IMO, have been used, but I would like to see The Lizard make an appearance at some point in the future.

 

[nightwing06]

I thought Toby announced this before the 3rd movie was even filmed??

 

[Eggyman]

Well, since you used a large font I guess I'll have to believe you

 

[RustyCage]

I understand your point, but 'the best' story arcs, IMO, have been used, but I would like to see The Lizard make an appearance at some point in the future.

I don't know, that's a pretty shallow judgment to make. No offense of course, because I'm speaking in general. But Raimi can potentially make great things out of underrated characters and stories, and hopefully Sandman's new role, as well as his apparent new depth, will demonstrate that.

I think there's still a lot of amazing stuff to be seen after this film... but I'd also like to just enjoy 3 for 3, and not for what might or might not happen next. So discussing this kinda suffocates me. I just want people to know about the potential still in the franchise, in spite of Tobey saying that the existing story arcs are winding to a close here. New ones can spawn from existing characters, or even from newly introduced characters. Another 'saga', so to speak, can begin here. And of course there are a lot of villains and cameos that I personally have been waiting and hoping for. Naturally, the Lizard being the most obvious of the lot.

 

[Gonking]

This article is selective editing.

Maguire has said that he is open to number 4.

he won't do it! get over it!

 

[Eggyman]

I completely agree -- looking at my own post, I should have really said 'most obvious' rather than 'the best' -- although I do hold them arcs very highly, but I am all for other stories. I've mentioned The Lizard already, but I would love a Scorpion story.

I think my point was that we have seen arcs so far, but most other characters would just be stories relying on one film to be told . . . but then I suppose that that depends on the commitment and ingenuity of the Director and producer.

 

[ghost_x]

It says that you don't have to copy the comic counterpart to get purists into theaters in droves. The real question is, what does that say about you?

Absoloutly nothing

 

[Darkest Knight]

Props to Tobey for his trilogy of Spider-man movies. He did a damn fine job. Quick comment, however ... those complaining about the lack of classic Spider-man quips and witty comebacks and dialogue ... that wasn't Tobey's fault. That's how Raimi wanted to put Spider-man on screen. I remember an interview for the first movie addressing this topic. He said something to the effect, he was worried audiences wouldn't take him seriously, or get sucked into the threatning moment or buy intot he sense of urgency if he was ALWAYS making quips like he does in the comics. But beyond that, there is some great one-liners from Spider-man through out the movies. Could there have been alittle more? Sure, but that isn't Tobey's fault. And for the most part, I agree with Raimi. I think it would have effected the seriousness of the movie in a negative way if there was too many quips. Hell, when Tobey delivered the quips, it wasn't wooden or stiff, they were completely hilarious.

"Cute outfit, did your husband buy it for you?"

"Let mom and dad talk for a minute, will ya?"

"Here's your change."

Hopefully we see more in the 3rd.

The only problem I have is this, I think Topher Grace (like Christian Bale for Batman) was born to play the role of Spider-man / Peter Parker. There are so many innate and natural qualities that lend themselves to those characters via said actors. I personally think Topher would've been an even better Spider-man / Peter Parker than Tobey. And that is saying ALOT. My only wish is that someone else would've been casted as Eddie, so if they decide to make future Spider-man movies, Topher could've played the main character.